fyi I'm not a troll or disrupter, as I've been an active member of Free Republic since January 2001.
-paulsy
"Paul- The Shrub you so blindly follow is a mean-spirited greedy idiot, and you can't blame mainstream media sources for finally recognizing his lack of clothing.
He was not elected by a majority, he was anointed by a fiercely right wing supreme court majority, most of whom owe their positions to the Shrub man's father and party, undermining the court's legitimacy and that of the Shrub's administration. He has kept the country in fear since 9/11 and sought to campaign as a WAR president, because most war presidents have an easier time passing legislation and getting reelected. He even created a war for that purpose. Remember, it was leaked before the mid-term election, by a White House source, that the sudden irrational run up to the war with Iraq was a matter of "marketing". On the way to Iraq he undid decades' of diplomacy and alienated all of our traditional allies and others whose support we might have expected, except for those he bought or frightened into being "willing". Now, as the biggest gunslinger on the block, we as a country can expect to be the target of every oppressed political animal in the world with weapons and imagination. Oh yeah, we've also lost our position (as if we ever really held or deserved it) as the beacon of hope and freedom for the world. We are undeniably a world bully now, and there is no realistic chance of a meaningful international consensus on any issue while the Shrub Man speaks for us.
You might be thinking of saying "well, Sadam was bad and his demise and capture are good things." (Shrub Man borrows from Martha Stewart, if you didn't notice.) The same thing could have, and I think would have, happened had Shrub Man not announced to the world that he was going to do it with or without international support. Indeed, for many years even Arab countries wanted to get rid of him but we( R's and D's) helped put Sadam in power and protected him.
And just think, so far at least five times as many people have died in the Shrub's dirty little war as died in 9/11. ( Hell, the tobacco industry kills as many people as died in 9/11, EVERY 2 1/2 DAYS). People continue dying every day in the war while Shrub Man hunkers down in the safest and most luxurious places on earth, bellowing "BRING IT ON !".
As for the different views on whether Shrub Man's tax policies add up, I certainly don't know whose math is right. I know the Washington Times is not considered by most people to be objective or main stream; it is decidedly right wing. (Wasn't it started up to punish the Washington Post for exposing Watergate?) I'm no fan of Newsweek either; with very few exceptions it repeats whatever the powers-that-be want it to. However, wasn't Newsweek reporting on the total federal income tax bills while the W. Times only mentions the effect of isolated provisions? If so, both of their math calculations could be correct, but the W Times is comparing apples to oranges. A more meaningful analysis would include the necessary increases in state, local and sales taxes. The fact is Shrub Man has not only made the tax structure more regressive, his wildly irresponsible spending and tax cutting for the rich have greatly increased the tax burden for future generations, and put the economy in peril for the foreseeable future.
Paul, what I think is going on is that the mainstream media and a lot of the country have been giving Shrub Man "WAR president" status since 9/11, along with the benefit of every doubt, since that is what happens when a president is responding to an emergency. Shrub Man, and his shrubbers, took full advantage of this status to advance their political agenda (check out wages, health care, education, the environment, individual rights, or anything else they could sell out) without the normal scrutiny radical changes would normally be subject to, and are running the country into the dirt. Shrub Man killed his golden goose by trying to crassly campaign as a "WAR president", and he's been called on it. He can't fool most of the people all of the time. Now, finally, the normal scrutiny is returning, eyes are opening, the emperor is nekkid, and he is only starting to get the attention he deserves. Open your eyes and get used to it. Julian is right and you seem so be looking for some sand to put your head in.
I think there may be other explanations for your reduced tax bill, if you would be candid about it. I know my tax bill is down, but that's because as a lawyer representing poor and working people who've had their civil rights violated under a regime that favors only rich and corporate interests, my income is down. I give Shrub Man full credit.
I'm yellow dog with a full bladder who's found his Shrub. BRING IT ON!"
1 posted on
04/11/2004 6:26:13 AM PDT by
paulsy
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To: paulsy
Oh and by the way, they will view your "giving up" as their having won the debate.
37 posted on
04/11/2004 6:45:40 AM PDT by
cincinnati65
(Rooting for the Panthers since 1995.......)
To: paulsy
Are you & I related? LOL This sounds like my cousin. I get stuff from my cousin just like this. I just reply with a smiley face & tell him to "have a nice day". I also send him, without my comment, every article I can find on the good things happening in Iraq. I am sure he just hates to hear that kind of news. heh heh
38 posted on
04/11/2004 6:47:09 AM PDT by
Ditter
To: paulsy
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/ Friday, April 09, 2004
The first candle.
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Its the day that brought me back to life. Its the 9th of April and Im free, and they will not steel my joy again and they will not silence me. A year ago at the same date, the thieves and criminals prevented me from celebrating my freedom in the open air, and today thieves, criminals and fanatics are doing the same, but they will not steal my happiness that is making my soul fly and dance with joy and they cant stop this.
A year ago, words failed me as I met the 1st American soldier, and I still remember his name, corporal, Adam and all I could utter was thank you! how could I ever put my whole life in few words? How could I have thanked that soldier enough? How could I have told him what it meant to me to see him and his comrades-who brought me back to life- at last? Thank you Adam, Lieutenant Antonio, Captain Brian Curtis and all the coalition soldiers who I cant remember their names, and those I never met.
Its the 9th of April and I feel safe! And I dont care what those political experts on the newspapers and TV channels, say about the occupation, deteriorated security and unemployment. You cant understand this, because you never experienced real fear this long. Let me tell you about it, as Im one of those who passed Saddams filthy test of life.
The statue fell and with it, horror fell. You dont know what it means to be scared to death most of your life, brothers and sisters. I knew that and I faced it during the reign of evil and darkness. I was afraid to talk, I wasn't allowed to think and I wasn't allowed to feel
I wasn't allowed to love.
How dare anyone imply to me how should I feel? And who they think they are, those who try to put words in my mouth? Im alive and Im free, and I have the right to say whatever I feel and chose the words I like. No one will tell me again what to say and what to feel.
Yes, its the 9th of April. I lit the 1st candle today to celebrate my 1st year, as a free man and no one will prevent me from celebrating. I, who the earth is no longer enough to contain my feelings, I who have wings now, and I dont have to carry an ID
Im Iraqi. I have the right to wander through my country southwards and northwards, without being stopped by someone to ask me who I am and where Im going. Im the son of the 9th of April.
Years ago, when I was a fugitive, a Baathist whos a friend of my father and a relative said to me mockingly how long are you going to live like this!? Get out of this hole and turn yourself in to the authorities and do your military service. I looked at him and I couldnt say anything, but my soul screamed inside me, The day when your tyrant becomes a defeated fugitive will come. He will search for a hole to hide in, and I will own Iraq then. And here comes the dream true!
Im the son of the 9th of April, tyrants clowns, and you have to fear me, you who betrayed me every minute and every day, and you want to chain me again???
You know why its impossible now? I was a slave and I never knew who I am
. and now Im free! Thanks to all who dared to tell the truth and didnt fear the consequences. And as for you, who saved me and my people, I cant thank you enough. My voice goes feeble and my eyes swell with tears as I think of the Iraqis, Americans and all the coalition soldiers who gave their lives to free Iraq and make this world a better place. God bless their souls and all those who decided to fight to the end and never been discouraged, even in the toughest moments. I hope you can call me brother, because Ill never fail you, as you never failed me.
This time, the 9th of April has come again and in what way! The powers of darkness and evil are trying to stifle my candle with their foul breaths but this time I'm alive and free and I will face them, and I will lit it again and again
and again.
By Mohammed.
39 posted on
04/11/2004 6:47:23 AM PDT by
listenhillary
(terrorism n. systematic use of violence to intimidate or coerce societies or governments)
To: paulsy
Paul- The Shrub you so blindly follow is a mean-spirited greedy idiot, and you can't blame mainstream media sources for finally recognizing his lack of clothing. Since the statement says nothing but a repeat of intangible Democratic mantra, it shows your liberal uncle to be one of the weak-minded followers who let others think for him. He has been totally brainwashed by simple propaganda, and it would be a waste of time to attempt to logically discuss politics with him.
He was not elected by a majority, he was anointed by a fiercely right wing supreme court majority, most of whom owe their positions to the Shrub man's father and party, undermining the court's legitimacy and that of the Shrub's administration. He was elected by the majority of electoral votes precisely like every other American Presidential election. It seems that the weak-minded comment also applies here.
....a fiercely right wing supreme court majority.... Clearly, the U.S. Supreme Court is the most liberal in our history. It appears that your uncle is far to close-minded and uninformed to carry on a rational political discussion. The weak minded comment also applies here,
He has kept the country in fear since 9/11 and sought to campaign as a WAR president, because most war presidents have an easier time passing legislation and getting reelected. He even created a war for that purpose. Cripes! Not only is your uncle an unbelievably weak and narrow-minded example of a classical classically brainwashed person, but he also appears to be very stupid. I hope it doesn't run in the family, but this post certainly makes a person wonder.
To: paulsy
Tell him that you will ask the President to stop pissing in your cornflakes
Also remind him that he is the President and does not always take have to take orders from his voters.
This is after all a Representive Republic.
And, that this is why we have elections.
Tell him not to waste his time on you and that you are very concerned about his mental state.
42 posted on
04/11/2004 6:50:12 AM PDT by
right way right
(Even the birds of the air will come to roost in it.)
To: paulsy
Tell him you will stay on the right side of the issues. Remind him that liberalism is a mental illness, and let him know you love and support him. Urge him to seek help through prayer, or more earthly methods.
43 posted on
04/11/2004 6:51:30 AM PDT by
whereasandsoforth
(tagged for migratory purposes only)
To: paulsy
The sky is not blue; gravity makes things fall upward; the moon is made of green cheese and Abraham Lincoln was a homosexual. Rebut that.
44 posted on
04/11/2004 6:51:45 AM PDT by
Agnes Heep
(Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
To: paulsy
It is best to ignore such unreasonable discourse. You will accomplish nothing with people who closed their minds.
45 posted on
04/11/2004 6:52:07 AM PDT by
easytree
To: paulsy
"I'm yellow dog with a full bladder who's found his Shrub. BRING IT ON!""
Tell him to go take a leak before he ruptures his bladder!
To: paulsy
I have learned the hard way to never get between a fool and his folly. Even if it involves family. I wouldn't waste any more time on this "relative" of yours. You can't pick your uncles but you can certainly pick who you choose to converse with. I prefer to converse with intelligent people.
Doesn't mean you can't see your uncle on Christmas and other family gatherings however. For this year's Christmas gift, I would give him some conservative-themed books. He'll probably never read them but at least you'll have the satisfaction of putting money in the pockets of the good guys while satisfying your Christmas giving obligation to your uncle.
47 posted on
04/11/2004 6:53:21 AM PDT by
SamAdams76
(I'm voting for John Kerry until I vote against him in November)
To: paulsy
I'd tell him he's just mad because Bush is the most successful democrat socialist president since FDR.
And the SCOTUS is a bunch of lefty bitches.
Don't bother pointing out that the election goes to the winner of a series of fifty state elections and has nothing whatsoever to do with the popular vote.
To: paulsy
Tell him your mother taught you NEVER to discuss politics and religion.
49 posted on
04/11/2004 6:58:31 AM PDT by
AngieGOP
To: paulsy
Why waste your breath? Why don't we spend our time persuading those who are open to reason and good? You could spend a lifetime and every ounce of your being trying to convince him - all the while many other minds and hearts would be lost.
Let this angry old man seethe in his rotten anger. It will eat at his very soul if you just walk away. And THAT would have the most chance of converting him as anything!
To: paulsy
you cannot reason someone out of a position that they
did not reason themselves into in the first place.
52 posted on
04/11/2004 7:00:31 AM PDT by
smonk
To: paulsy
He was not elected by a majority... Neither was Clinton (either time- elected with a plurality
He has kept the country in fear since 9/11 and sought to campaign as a WAR presiden.
Well like it or not he IS a war president. The reason he is a war president is because liberals allowed our defenses (and intelligence capabilities) to deteriorate so much an attack was inevitable.
On the way to Iraq he undid decades' of diplomacy and alienated all of our traditional allies and others whose support we might have expected, except for those he bought or frightened into being "willing"
Yeah the same type of diplomacy that led to the murder of 3000 innocents on 9-11
Oh yeah, we've also lost our position (as if we ever really held or deserved it) as the beacon of hope and freedom for the world.
As if we ever really deserved it????Who should have had this reputation if not the US? And in whose eyes did we "lose" the reputation? Nothing more pathetic than an old commie pining away for the days of paradise lost. Tell me, if we didn't get it right- who did.
Indeed, for many years even Arab countries wanted to get rid of him but we( R's and D's) helped put Sadam in power and protected him.
Who the F cares what they wantedto do. What matters is how they plan on dealing with him now. Things change over the course of 20 years. And besides if I take the argument that we put him there, I guess we should just wring our hands and watch him help our enemies. Does your Uncle really believe anybody should be able to do anything because of decisions 20 years ago?
And just think, so far at least five times as many people have died in the Shrub's dirty little war as died in 9/11. ( Hell, the tobacco industry kills as many people as died in 9/11, EVERY 2 1/2 DAYS).
Who the F fed you uncle these stats? The big tobacco argument is a typical lefty non sequitor. And did 15,000 Americans die in the war so far? Last I counted it was 600. (Oh i forgot in the lefty "logic" all lives count equally sorry they don't!).
I could go on and on. Your uncle may be a nice, "moral" man but he is not too bright. He is merely regurgitating socialist/communist (you know Democrat) talking points. A man of his age should have learned by now how to think for himself.
To: paulsy
Tell your uncle if he's correct in all his criticisms of "The Shrub", then your uncle will be a very miserable person after "The Shrub's" inevitable re-election.
Recommend if things get too bad for your uncle under a second "Shrub" term, your uncle can always take comfort in the fact that "The Shrub's" second term will the last.
Then tell him that life is too short for you to get all worked up over one relative's misguided opinions.
To: paulsy
The last two paragraphs give the mindset for the rest of your uncle's email. He has a lifetime invested in creating his niche of warrior for the down trodden as he perceives his clients. I know individuals with similar views and occupation and any change that comes in their thinking will be by their own experiences. Thankfully, you are an offset to his bias. It won't make any difference how you reply, especially if he is an older person, so continue to go your own way and let your family see the contrast between reasoned support of Pres Bush and the irrational hatred that seethes from your uncle. Good luck.
To: paulsy
I won't deal with all this drivel, but as a history prof. I can tell you your uncle is an idiot: historically, John Quincy Adams, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, (I'm sure Madison and Monroe, but don't want to check the totals), Abraham Lincoln, Rutherford B. Hayes, Woodrow Wilson, and WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON all took office with less than a majority of the votes because that's our system---not some "majority" democracy but an ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
Repeat this to him from me, word for word: a historian with a Ph.D. thinks he's an idiot.
57 posted on
04/11/2004 7:03:41 AM PDT by
LS
(CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
To: paulsy
1. Send him a nice sympathy card telling him you're sorry about the death of his brain.
2. Tell him that he's why you're against partial brith abortion -- apparently doctors removed his brain when he was being born.
(Actually....)
3. Thank God you are intellectually blind and stupid like he is.
4. Thank God you are not his child.
5. Thank God you have a sense a humor.
6. Thank God that you can still love your demented uncle.
7. And thank God your uncle isn't running for President. (Your uncle doesn't look French and have a daisy hanging from his zipper, does he?)
58 posted on
04/11/2004 7:06:02 AM PDT by
jigsaw
(God Bless Our Military.)
To: paulsy
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I'd suggest one of these, "liberally applied" would do wonders.
59 posted on
04/11/2004 7:08:22 AM PDT by
Caipirabob
(Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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