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An Open letter to President Bush (End run vs. Outsourcing)
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Posted on 04/09/2004 12:22:04 PM PDT by Havoc

Dear Mr. President,

You don't know me, nor do I expect you to. But I'm one of those voices out here in the ether that actually did vote for you. I'm not one of those seminar caller types nor a Democrat pretending at being a republican to subvert the party faithful in dishonest fashion because their ideas aren't popular enough to win them anything. No, I'm a life-long republican who cherishes the memory of Ronald Reagan and who thought highly of you right up to the time you sunk a knife in my back economically.

Sir I understand it's a hard job being president. I also understand that in IT my job causes me to have to think on my feet and respond to an everchanging environment just to keep it. And while I was busting my behind for a company I happened to love doing a job I happened to love, you decided it's a good thing to do an endrun around equal protection and hand my job to a Mexican worker at 1/3 of the rate I'm being paid. Sir, Retail employees get paid more than that Full time and they're earning below the poverty level. The Job I hold for the moment requires a lot of hard work and problem solving skills, it requires good customer care skills, and it requires a long knowledge of Computers and software I didn't get from a degree but from practical experience.

I worked long and hard for years looking for the break that would get me in the door with my current employer. And I currently have a carreer with them. Or had, rather. I've worked for EDS for nearly 4 years. I will lose my job just short of that anniversary or just after it depending on how the breakdown happens.

I have a handicap that keeps me from driving a car. Not an official handicap, because it's so rare a problem that 1/2 of 1% of Americans have the condition so it doesn't rate being called what it is. I'm a blip on the screen. But, it means I have to live close to my employer and sometimes rely on others to help me get things done. I've lost everything and put my life back together 3 times in 15 years sir. And having just accomplished it again after 4 years with my employer, your policy has killed any protection I might have otherwise enjoyed from having my job destroyed by foriegn competition. And it puts me right back on the brink again. Sir, if I don't stand a chance of winning, it isn't competition - it's fish in a barrel. Where is my equal protection under the law?

The "competition" didn't get hired because of race or creed; but, because of national origin. They got hired because their cost of living is low enough that they can be paid sub-poverty wages to do my job. They are taking my job because they aren't constrained by the laws we have in this country to protect us and preserve our liberties. Lower cost of living, and no laws to constrain them. See, we used to have what was called ANTI-DUMPING laws on the books before Nafta to prevent the subversion of our economy by those who would attempt to compete on an unfair basis and put American firms out of business. We aren't a global economy, the globe is not the United States of America. They don't respect our rights, our Constitution, our laws or ourselves. The average citizen of the world might; but, we aren't dealing with them, we're dealing with the leaders who have their boots on the neck of the citizen of the world.

It seems today that I have to be a Mexican to get a fair shake in America. There are some 8 million of them here illegally as a tax on our system and working here taking jobs that Americans can do; but, which apparently, nobody wants to offer a fair wage for as long as they can get slave labor off the books. That isn't enough though. We need to employ More workers from Mexico, India, China.. As long as we're doing it, sire, why not be obvious and lets put Sally Struthers on the TV to advertise IT Jobs for the people under repressive regimes in africa who can live on 52 cents a day, "the price of a cup of coffee." I don't care what color their skin is, No citizen of the United states could live on that and shouldn't be asked to compete with it. It's too blatently obvious that it's unfair. And that seems to be why it's "good for us all".

Your policy sir. It's you on the tube telling me it's good for me to lose my job to a Mexican worker outside of our system and in a manner with which I cannot compete. There isn't a job comparable to it here that I can take to make up the difference cause those are being outsourced too. Outsourced. How about endran. Because sir, that is what is happening - it's an end run around our system - around our rights, our laws, our constitutional provisions and protections. Your policy has relieved me of my job without due process. It tied my hands before I had a chance to respond. And so many businesses are being forced to do the same thing, that I don't stand a chance any more than those earning 3 times what I do in the same field who have lost their jobs already and have had to take 11k a year Retail jobs just to eat while their houses go up for sale.

I don't have a degree. I don't get retraining. I just get to lose my job at the whim of your policies and will likely lose more than that in the end. You see, I bought a new home too - a year ago. This job made it possible for me to do that. And as with my Job, I had to get a huge break to be able to pull it off. I've been behind you and a cheerleader of yours since I first heard you speak. I understand that the tanking economy isn't your fault. I understand it isn't your fault we were attacked. I understand and agree with pretty much everything you've done to date, sir. This however is in my mind beyond sickening. It is a betrayal of myself, my coworkers and every other hard working IT worker, Auto worker, etc that has lost their job due to this. It is a betrayal by their government and their employer. And it's a distrust you've earned by subverting them and me. For me, it's not just my Government, it's my own party.

Now I've heard all the arguments for outsourcing and all the copout phrases about what we do about companies that have outsourced to the US. Tell me, sir, how many of them outsourced to do an endrun around their system of government, their constitution, their laws and their workers. How many of them outsourced to us to produce goods for their home market. That isn't an argument that flies with me in the face of doing an endrun around us. They've built plants in our land and are working within our market, within it's rules, within our laws, within the constraints of our constitution and are paying a competative wage. Our companies are doing the opposite. And any way you cut it, it is economic and constitutional tyranny. I'm not a single issue voter sir, until that single issue is my life and livelihood.. until members of my own party call me a robber and a thief for expecting to keep my job when I've worked my behind off to do so.

I did it right. I've busted my backside under an ever increasing workload, kept my promise to my employer and my client. Never missed a metric, never dropped the ball for either of them and have always exceeded expectation as a member of one of the best teams on this planet in my humble opinion. My job is gone not because we didn't produce and not because either couldn't afford it; but, because Mexicans work cheaper and don't have our protections, laws, rights or constitution. I have a strong work ethic and a loyalty to my company that even now makes me shudder to say a bad word about them. I have no illusions; but, I was raised that if you do your best it pays off. I know now that if you do your best, you get kicked in the teeth just as hard, and if you get ahead a little bit, the government will be there to kick you back down. I appreciate how hard your job is. Mine is pretty dang hard too. But how about you and everyone in government work for $600 a month from now on like the Mexican workers replacing us. How about you all work for the income you're forcing me into. If it's good for us, it should be good for you too. You, and all the ivory tower types in our party that hiss at me for being upset over losing my job and wanting to defend myself. How would that be, sir? I'd just as soon see little Tommy Daschle and Ted Kennedy go fly a kite as hear them spout one more offensive evil lie about you. But I'd just as soon, too, see you join them holding the string if you're gonna ruin me and tell me it's good for me. How about if we just outsource your jobs too - oh, wait, that would be unconstitutional too, wouldn't it.


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KEYWORDS: bush; endrun; immigration; newslavery; outsourcing
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To: XBob
LOL. He beat you like a rented mule. Not surprising considering your inability to keep a job. How many “careers” did you say you had?
441 posted on 04/12/2004 1:59:21 AM PDT by Texasforever (God Bless And Keep Our Troops)
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To: Texasforever
Sorry I couldn't prevent the moon landing, or the end of the war or the oil crash. I should have tried harder, so like you I could have 1 year of experience repeated 25 times.

I've had an interesting life, and worked successfully around the world. Too bad you have been stuck in Houston for 25 years.

Gee, I guess I shouldn't be wasting my own time on an engineer. The only ones with denser heads I know are Marines.
442 posted on 04/12/2004 2:08:39 AM PDT by XBob
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To: XBob
LMAO. You do know that every manager has a cull list of 10% of his employees that will be the first to go? Based on how you have acted on this thread I would bet that you were in the first 1% of that cull list. BTW I have been in Houston since 1974 and I survived the "oil crash" without a day’s unemployment. I wouldn't be surprised if you were not on MY cull list.
443 posted on 04/12/2004 2:18:28 AM PDT by Texasforever (God Bless And Keep Our Troops)
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To: Havoc
It's time to go to sleep. This thread has deteriorated to an ethicless child and a boring engineer. good night.
444 posted on 04/12/2004 2:18:44 AM PDT by XBob
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To: Texasforever
443 - "I survived the "oil crash" without a day’s unemployment."

So did one of my clerks. None of our engineers remained employed. Low level people survived, as they didn't cost much to maintain. From 9ea 500 foot long floors of hard working people to 1/2 a floor of 'house keepers'.
445 posted on 04/12/2004 2:29:51 AM PDT by XBob
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To: XBob
Without a good economy, there is no security.

Terrorism kills thousands.

A bad econcomy kills/disables millions and disables our country and our military.

By that logic WWII should never have been fought.

446 posted on 04/12/2004 5:20:25 AM PDT by stig
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Government will always lose to the corporations. And if the government ever wins the collateral damage will hurt far more of the little people than will be helped.

Especially in the banana republics.

447 posted on 04/12/2004 5:24:08 AM PDT by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: ARCADIA
Or, our medical/pharmaceuticals business without Medicaid and Medicare?

And without patent protection or import restrictions.

448 posted on 04/12/2004 5:25:48 AM PDT by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: Havoc
I ain't a democrat, never have been and never will be; but, I'm wondering now why I'm republican, cause some of you make me ashamed of the word.

You're probably neither a Republican nor Democrat, as both are dominated by neocon globalist yuppies. You're more likely a Buchanan Republican, but they've been purged from the GOP. You'd likely enjoy Buchanan's The American Conservative magazine. I enjoy it.

449 posted on 04/12/2004 5:34:42 AM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Texasforever
Well the founders would disagree with you. Most of the used REAL slave labor.

Yep, and we made it illegal. Next non-point.

450 posted on 04/12/2004 5:36:29 AM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Havoc
Personally, if I have to live under constant threat of ruin by tyrants, I'm better off to shred my SSN, sell what I have and find a nice piece of moutainside where no one will bother me. When you can't get civilized conduct from what purports to be civilization, it ain't worth it. If you can't provide security in a society, It offers nothing. We might as well all be living on a mountainside, we'd at least know we could rely on ourselves. It's a pretty deep subversion when you teach people that the things they've setup in society to secure themselves can't be counted on. It's nothing short of pseudo organized anarchy. And that is why it leads to revolution.

Great passage. Similar ones are in the Bible:

" So Jeroboam and all Israel came and spake to Rehoboam, saying,

Thy father made our yoke grievous: now therefore ease thou somewhat the grievous servitude of thy father, and his heavy yoke that he put upon us, and we will serve thee.

And he said unto them, Come again unto me after three days. And the people departed.

And king Rehoboam took counsel with the old men that had stood before Solomon his father while he yet lived, saying, What counsel give ye me to return answer to this people?

And they spake unto him, saying, If thou be kind to this people, and please them, and speak good words to them, they will be thy servants for ever.

But he forsook the counsel which the old men gave him, and took counsel with the young men that were brought up with him, that stood before him.

And he said unto them, What advice give ye that we may return answer to this people, which have spoken to me, saying, Ease somewhat the yoke that thy father did put upon us?

And the young men that were brought up with him spake unto him, saying, Thus shalt thou answer the people that spake unto thee, saying, Thy father made our yoke heavy, but make thou it somewhat lighter for us; thus shalt thou say unto them, My little finger shall be thicker than my father's loins.

For whereas my father put a heavy yoke upon you, I will put more to your yoke: my father chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.

So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day, as the king bade, saying, Come again to me on the third day.

And the king answered them roughly; and king Rehoboam forsook the counsel of the old men,

And answered them after the advice of the young men, saying, My father made your yoke heavy, but I will add thereto: my father chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.

So the king hearkened not unto the people: for the cause was of God, that the LORD might perform his word, which he spake by the hand of Ahijah the Shilonite to Jeroboam the son of Nebat.

And when all Israel saw that the king would not hearken unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? and we have none inheritance in the son of Jesse: every man to your tents, O Israel: and now, David, see to thine own house. So all Israel went to their tents.
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Then king Rehoboam sent Hadoram that was over the tribute; and the children of Israel stoned him with stones, that he died. But king Rehoboam made speed to get him up to his chariot, to flee to Jerusalem. "

(2Chron:10:3-16,18)

451 posted on 04/12/2004 5:36:55 AM PDT by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: XBob
LOL.. seems to run rampant among the free traitors, they use the same argumentation style as the anti-WOD crowd..
LOL. Wonder why....
452 posted on 04/12/2004 5:37:43 AM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: XBob
Night :)
453 posted on 04/12/2004 5:38:13 AM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: gonewt
At some point, we've got to stop kneeling before the altar of the free market & take a good look at what's happening around us.

Last winter, I frequented a Starbucks in NY. One of the barristas was a white guy who looked to be in his late 40s. Too old to be entry level, too young to be retired, and yet there he was. He was always very friendly, like he was happy to have a job. I wondered what his story was (actor? fired IT guy?) but I didn't want to embarrass him by asking.

454 posted on 04/12/2004 5:39:23 AM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: ARCADIA
Guy: I need a new job, my employer is going to outsource my position.

Facility: Well we were looking for a brain surgeon...

Guy: Can I train on-the-job?

Look I empathize. It sucks that corporations are send our jobs overseas. But by the time Bush or any one else plugs all the leaks and loopholes the damage will be done. There will be many displaced workers not able to make ends meet. The time to stop this was during the second term of the Clinton administration. But how was anyone going to do that when we don't even control our borders??

Now we are all going to have to wait 5 years as the Asians steal our Intellectual Property and all the outsourcing starts to be accounted for in dollars and cents. Then some companies will realize it was cheaper and more effective to do business right here.

I've gotten out of the pure software business myself. Not only do you have to compete with foreign nationals that are paid a fraction of their American counterparts you also have open source projects that can take your profit potential away from you just as fast.

The answer to the problem is control our borders. Stop with the waves of illegals who live 20 to a house and get fake IDs that keep the price down on labor as a whole. Second complain in the supermarket when you're paying the same price now for foreign produce as you used to for American. Ever tried to by a can opener?? The ones I've seen are all made in China.

455 posted on 04/12/2004 5:40:53 AM PDT by stig
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To: Southack
That all sounds very reasonable. And at first glance would seem to work on many levels. My question/problem is why isn't the Bush campagain doing more to educate us on this? I don't expect you to have all the answers, but it would seem that if there is a plan, it should be detailed, rather than allow FUD to continue to build.
456 posted on 04/12/2004 6:05:31 AM PDT by brownsfan (I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me.)
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To: stig
By that logic WWII should never have been fought.

Those John Wayne movies were really good, but they do not delve deep enough to give you an appreciation of what led to WWII. The economic collapse happened first; then the bullets and bombs started flying; then the economic crisis was "fixed".

Here is a little on-line classic for you: http://socserv2.socsci.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/keynes/peace
457 posted on 04/12/2004 6:13:43 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Gotta control those greedy kulaks, they're hurting the revolution.

We are not talking about kulaks. It is the reform minded oligarchs (Khodorkovsky/Enron/etc style) who are destroying the kulaks of today.

458 posted on 04/12/2004 6:56:20 AM PDT by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
You keep claiming ownership of corporations that don't belong to you. I thought it was the corporation's technology and industry.

Wait a minute! In the post #403 you said:

"Last time I looked, corporations were people too. Owners, workers, suppliers and customers."

Are you flip-flopping or what?

459 posted on 04/12/2004 7:00:51 AM PDT by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: Texasforever
Well the founders would disagree with you. Most of the used REAL slave labor.

He, he. You start to bring stronger arguments! But to make people slaves you need to defeat them first.

460 posted on 04/12/2004 7:10:55 AM PDT by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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