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An Open letter to President Bush (End run vs. Outsourcing)
Me | Me

Posted on 04/09/2004 12:22:04 PM PDT by Havoc

Dear Mr. President,

You don't know me, nor do I expect you to. But I'm one of those voices out here in the ether that actually did vote for you. I'm not one of those seminar caller types nor a Democrat pretending at being a republican to subvert the party faithful in dishonest fashion because their ideas aren't popular enough to win them anything. No, I'm a life-long republican who cherishes the memory of Ronald Reagan and who thought highly of you right up to the time you sunk a knife in my back economically.

Sir I understand it's a hard job being president. I also understand that in IT my job causes me to have to think on my feet and respond to an everchanging environment just to keep it. And while I was busting my behind for a company I happened to love doing a job I happened to love, you decided it's a good thing to do an endrun around equal protection and hand my job to a Mexican worker at 1/3 of the rate I'm being paid. Sir, Retail employees get paid more than that Full time and they're earning below the poverty level. The Job I hold for the moment requires a lot of hard work and problem solving skills, it requires good customer care skills, and it requires a long knowledge of Computers and software I didn't get from a degree but from practical experience.

I worked long and hard for years looking for the break that would get me in the door with my current employer. And I currently have a carreer with them. Or had, rather. I've worked for EDS for nearly 4 years. I will lose my job just short of that anniversary or just after it depending on how the breakdown happens.

I have a handicap that keeps me from driving a car. Not an official handicap, because it's so rare a problem that 1/2 of 1% of Americans have the condition so it doesn't rate being called what it is. I'm a blip on the screen. But, it means I have to live close to my employer and sometimes rely on others to help me get things done. I've lost everything and put my life back together 3 times in 15 years sir. And having just accomplished it again after 4 years with my employer, your policy has killed any protection I might have otherwise enjoyed from having my job destroyed by foriegn competition. And it puts me right back on the brink again. Sir, if I don't stand a chance of winning, it isn't competition - it's fish in a barrel. Where is my equal protection under the law?

The "competition" didn't get hired because of race or creed; but, because of national origin. They got hired because their cost of living is low enough that they can be paid sub-poverty wages to do my job. They are taking my job because they aren't constrained by the laws we have in this country to protect us and preserve our liberties. Lower cost of living, and no laws to constrain them. See, we used to have what was called ANTI-DUMPING laws on the books before Nafta to prevent the subversion of our economy by those who would attempt to compete on an unfair basis and put American firms out of business. We aren't a global economy, the globe is not the United States of America. They don't respect our rights, our Constitution, our laws or ourselves. The average citizen of the world might; but, we aren't dealing with them, we're dealing with the leaders who have their boots on the neck of the citizen of the world.

It seems today that I have to be a Mexican to get a fair shake in America. There are some 8 million of them here illegally as a tax on our system and working here taking jobs that Americans can do; but, which apparently, nobody wants to offer a fair wage for as long as they can get slave labor off the books. That isn't enough though. We need to employ More workers from Mexico, India, China.. As long as we're doing it, sire, why not be obvious and lets put Sally Struthers on the TV to advertise IT Jobs for the people under repressive regimes in africa who can live on 52 cents a day, "the price of a cup of coffee." I don't care what color their skin is, No citizen of the United states could live on that and shouldn't be asked to compete with it. It's too blatently obvious that it's unfair. And that seems to be why it's "good for us all".

Your policy sir. It's you on the tube telling me it's good for me to lose my job to a Mexican worker outside of our system and in a manner with which I cannot compete. There isn't a job comparable to it here that I can take to make up the difference cause those are being outsourced too. Outsourced. How about endran. Because sir, that is what is happening - it's an end run around our system - around our rights, our laws, our constitutional provisions and protections. Your policy has relieved me of my job without due process. It tied my hands before I had a chance to respond. And so many businesses are being forced to do the same thing, that I don't stand a chance any more than those earning 3 times what I do in the same field who have lost their jobs already and have had to take 11k a year Retail jobs just to eat while their houses go up for sale.

I don't have a degree. I don't get retraining. I just get to lose my job at the whim of your policies and will likely lose more than that in the end. You see, I bought a new home too - a year ago. This job made it possible for me to do that. And as with my Job, I had to get a huge break to be able to pull it off. I've been behind you and a cheerleader of yours since I first heard you speak. I understand that the tanking economy isn't your fault. I understand it isn't your fault we were attacked. I understand and agree with pretty much everything you've done to date, sir. This however is in my mind beyond sickening. It is a betrayal of myself, my coworkers and every other hard working IT worker, Auto worker, etc that has lost their job due to this. It is a betrayal by their government and their employer. And it's a distrust you've earned by subverting them and me. For me, it's not just my Government, it's my own party.

Now I've heard all the arguments for outsourcing and all the copout phrases about what we do about companies that have outsourced to the US. Tell me, sir, how many of them outsourced to do an endrun around their system of government, their constitution, their laws and their workers. How many of them outsourced to us to produce goods for their home market. That isn't an argument that flies with me in the face of doing an endrun around us. They've built plants in our land and are working within our market, within it's rules, within our laws, within the constraints of our constitution and are paying a competative wage. Our companies are doing the opposite. And any way you cut it, it is economic and constitutional tyranny. I'm not a single issue voter sir, until that single issue is my life and livelihood.. until members of my own party call me a robber and a thief for expecting to keep my job when I've worked my behind off to do so.

I did it right. I've busted my backside under an ever increasing workload, kept my promise to my employer and my client. Never missed a metric, never dropped the ball for either of them and have always exceeded expectation as a member of one of the best teams on this planet in my humble opinion. My job is gone not because we didn't produce and not because either couldn't afford it; but, because Mexicans work cheaper and don't have our protections, laws, rights or constitution. I have a strong work ethic and a loyalty to my company that even now makes me shudder to say a bad word about them. I have no illusions; but, I was raised that if you do your best it pays off. I know now that if you do your best, you get kicked in the teeth just as hard, and if you get ahead a little bit, the government will be there to kick you back down. I appreciate how hard your job is. Mine is pretty dang hard too. But how about you and everyone in government work for $600 a month from now on like the Mexican workers replacing us. How about you all work for the income you're forcing me into. If it's good for us, it should be good for you too. You, and all the ivory tower types in our party that hiss at me for being upset over losing my job and wanting to defend myself. How would that be, sir? I'd just as soon see little Tommy Daschle and Ted Kennedy go fly a kite as hear them spout one more offensive evil lie about you. But I'd just as soon, too, see you join them holding the string if you're gonna ruin me and tell me it's good for me. How about if we just outsource your jobs too - oh, wait, that would be unconstitutional too, wouldn't it.


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KEYWORDS: bush; endrun; immigration; newslavery; outsourcing
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To: Havoc
What, you mean like getting them to stop using slave labor? Child labor? Sweatshop labor?... We as the public have every right to put restrictions on you because as in any other area of life, people time and again cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

So, EDS is using child, slave or sweathop labor?

Notice the irony in your post?

We as the public....people time and again cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

So, my people cannot be trusted so your people have the right to restrict.

Gotta control those greedy kulaks, they're hurting the revolution. You've become a parody of yourself.

401 posted on 04/11/2004 11:32:44 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: ARCADIA
392 - "If this were a contained economy, then people would immediately see prices rise, shortages, and product cancellations every time they added yet another stupid regulation. On the other hand they would see the benefit of reducing excess tasking. As a first step in improving our domestic business environment we will need to scale back our dependence on imported products."

Good arguments. We have enough consumption here to drive any amount of production, if we could keep it here, and everyone would make a lot of money and be happier (in this country) except for people like ToddsNoPatriot.
402 posted on 04/11/2004 11:34:19 PM PDT by XBob
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To: Havoc
That's a pretty big mouthful there, considering the Government is US. You're essentially stating you're at war with the average citizen and that the citizen must lose in order to keep you in posh surroundings.

I'm at war with ignorance, not the average citizen.

I didn't say the citizen must lose, I said the government will lose. Big difference.

So, the government is us, the people, but the corporations are not people? Just some evil malevolent force?

Last time I looked, corporations were people too. Owners, workers, suppliers and customers.

403 posted on 04/11/2004 11:36:05 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Havoc
So, I suppose you're in favor of sugar import quotas and steel tariffs? Gotta protect that US industry, right?
404 posted on 04/11/2004 11:38:57 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Last time I looked, corporations were people too.

People yes; but, not necessarilly American people. Our values and objectives are not always compatable.
405 posted on 04/11/2004 11:43:14 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ARCADIA
Our = the multiple billions riding this rock through space.
406 posted on 04/11/2004 11:45:37 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Corporations can't compete with companies overseas paying 1/3 - 1/10th the rate in wages paid here.

Yeah, that's why the Nigerian software giants are crushing Microsoft.

407 posted on 04/11/2004 11:54:59 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Toddsterpatriot
they our outsourcing our technology and our industry, idiot.

"in addition to GM, taking steps to ensure a long-term commitment, bringing advanced technology to China, and establishing "Delphi China as a strategic link in Delphi's global business chain" through export programs. They intend to accomplish these goals by continuing to invest in both wholly owned and joint venture operations, which will indirectly bring new technology into the country, as well as establish Delphi as a major competitor in the industry. They also intend to continue expanding their customer service and technical service centers to continue their customer focus. In addition, a new technology center, which will assist with the transfer of technology into China,"

http://www.thadmurphy.com/worksample/writingsample.html
408 posted on 04/12/2004 12:07:36 AM PDT by XBob
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To: XBob
they our outsourcing our technology and our industry, idiot.

There you go again. You keep claiming ownership of corporations that don't belong to you. I thought it was the corporation's technology and industry.

409 posted on 04/12/2004 12:11:07 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: XBob
GM and Delphi are doing what they do to make a profit, you agree?
410 posted on 04/12/2004 12:12:31 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Send my corporation money money money. Greed.

That's your philosophy - rapacious greed and anarchy.

Give me money for my corporation !!!!
411 posted on 04/12/2004 12:13:17 AM PDT by XBob
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To: XBob
That's your philosophy - rapacious greed and anarchy.

So, you disagree with the statement "Greed is good"?

412 posted on 04/12/2004 12:14:50 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Toddsterpatriot
403 - "So, the government is us, the people, but the corporations are not people? Just some evil malevolent force? "

Can't you spell ENRON??
413 posted on 04/12/2004 12:16:09 AM PDT by XBob
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To: Toddsterpatriot
So, EDS is using child, slave or sweathop labor?

They bailed on the US market for a buck and hired Mexicans at subpoverty wages compared to here which essentially creates a climate of dumping that undercuts US based business and puts them at risk of failure. I've equated it with slave labor. Don't know quite what else you call it when you take a skilled, highly fluid job that requires daily adaptation and hire pigmies to do it. It really isn't any different, pigmies would do the job cheaper than the mexicans but for government reliability issues. But then, ya'll think that you're safe in Mexico, China and India - until they nationalize your investment and take it over. There's nothing stopping them from doing it and every expectation that they will at some point. And what do your investors do then?

And I do fail to see the irony in the post. The point is, that in every instance we the people had to act to end the tyranny of the relative few. In the instance of Slavery it was business owners protesting the loss of slaves because they didn't feel they could make "enough" profit to stay afloat unless they treated fellow human beings like animals. Not too much different from today. But there's a vested interest in keeping people working at poverty and sub-poverty rates isn't there... I mean, who would really ever rent an apartment if they could earn enough money to buy a home. I never would have. Who would buy mobile homes if they could afford to buy a house.. Who would buy cheap crap partical board furniture that warps out of shape in 6 months if they could afford to buy real wood instead of sawdust and glue. Just like there's no profit in making anything that is of any lasting quality.. I remember when GM was fighting to try and get law passed that forbade owning a vehicle for longer than 10 years. When they ran up against the law, who refused to do so, they decided since they couldn't get a law, they'd just build in obsolescence. To garauntee they would get return business.

It's ok for you corporate types to protect your position, but it's a crime if anyone expects that an employee would even try... one wonders why you corporate types are better than the worker.

414 posted on 04/12/2004 12:16:40 AM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Toddsterpatriot
409 - "There you go again. You keep claiming ownership of corporations that don't belong to you. I thought it was the corporation's technology and industry."

Ah, but they do. As long as they are chartered here in the US, they are OUR corporations, and OUR technnology and OUR tax dollars built the roads, protected them, set up the laws and the security, and the country and the stability to succor them - YES THEY ARE OUR CORPORATIONS AND OUR TECHNOLOGY. THEY DON'T BELONG TO INDIVIDUALS, THEY BELONG TO THE COUNTRY.
415 posted on 04/12/2004 12:20:57 AM PDT by XBob
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To: XBob
Can't you spell ENRON??

Enron was an evil, malevolent force?

416 posted on 04/12/2004 12:21:22 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: XBob
Ah, but they do. As long as they are chartered here in the US, they are OUR corporations, and OUR technnology and OUR tax dollars built the roads, protected them, set up the laws and the security, and the country and the stability to succor them - YES THEY ARE OUR CORPORATIONS AND OUR TECHNOLOGY. THEY DON'T BELONG TO INDIVIDUALS, THEY BELONG TO THE COUNTRY.

Finally, Socialism!!! Why didn't you say so earlier.

417 posted on 04/12/2004 12:22:31 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Where's your money???

I want my money back which supported/s your corporations here in the US.
418 posted on 04/12/2004 12:23:15 AM PDT by XBob
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To: Toddsterpatriot
416 - "Enron was an evil, malevolent force?"

Oh, I forgot - you without morals and ethics. ENRON is one of your heros, stealing billions and billions of dollars from people, with lies, theft, and swindling.
419 posted on 04/12/2004 12:28:21 AM PDT by XBob
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To: Havoc
They bailed on the US market for a buck and hired Mexicans at subpoverty wages compared to here which essentially creates a climate of dumping that undercuts US based business and puts them at risk of failure.

So, you would restrict the ability of an American company to hire Mexicans?

Then you would also have to restrict the importation of any product that a foreign company made which used Mexican workers.

Is that what you're suggesting? Would that solve your problem?

420 posted on 04/12/2004 12:28:35 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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