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To: Havoc
That's a pretty big mouthful there, considering the Government is US. You're essentially stating you're at war with the average citizen and that the citizen must lose in order to keep you in posh surroundings.

I'm at war with ignorance, not the average citizen.

I didn't say the citizen must lose, I said the government will lose. Big difference.

So, the government is us, the people, but the corporations are not people? Just some evil malevolent force?

Last time I looked, corporations were people too. Owners, workers, suppliers and customers.

403 posted on 04/11/2004 11:36:05 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Last time I looked, corporations were people too.

People yes; but, not necessarilly American people. Our values and objectives are not always compatable.
405 posted on 04/11/2004 11:43:14 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
403 - "So, the government is us, the people, but the corporations are not people? Just some evil malevolent force? "

Can't you spell ENRON??
413 posted on 04/12/2004 12:16:09 AM PDT by XBob
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I'm at war with ignorance, not the average citizen. I didn't say the citizen must lose, I said the government will lose. Big difference.

Contrare' - you said you're at war with the government and that is we the people - of the people, for the people, by the people. If the government is us, and you say the government will or must lose, then you say we lose by default. You made the statement, wear it.

So, the government is us, the people, but the corporations are not people? Just some evil malevolent force?

Yep, they're people too. And nobody is keeping them from making a living. All we're discussing is what is an ethical living and what isn't. It's obvious from numerous examples that there is such a thing as profiting unethically. And there is a track record of correcting it. You want to obfuscate that fact and beg pitty and understanding all of a sudden when all along, you free traitor types tell us you owe the worker nothing. It isn't our job. We have no right to expect that when you give us a carreer and a retirement plan that if we do our job we'll ever see retirement if you get greedy in the meantime and decide not to pay it. It's pretty much bait and switch. Sucker them in the door at the best price you can get, work them like a dog and cut them loose before you have to pay up on your agreed obligation. It isn't like there's not a trackrecord to point to. Ya'll decide you want a 10mill bonus this year so you put a percentage of your workers out on the street and force the rest to take up the slack at threat of their jobs - productivity suffers along with quality of service. We lose respect for the company, hate the job, and don't care any longer what gets done for you. That's your product. But it's people you are warring against - not the government. And your reputations are of your own making. So let's not play at victimhood and being misunderstood. Enron Higher ups made record earnings for themselves, record bonuses and perks while they shafted the workers and cooked the books. They just got caught. Not all are crooked, they just let their ethical issues take the logical next step. If people don't matter and what you therefore do to them doesn't matter, then embezzlement and cooking the books and all manner of other things don't really matter either - you're only hurting cattle.. right.

423 posted on 04/12/2004 12:38:57 AM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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