WHY IS THE WEST LOSING THE WAR ON TERROR?

Chronicles Extra ^ | 4/7/04 | Srdja Trifkovic

[quant5]

Yes, your right but now we had better hedge our bets with Pakistan - I would stake lots of money Pakistan will be one of worst enemy some day...

[MEG33]

WW2Great Britain/USSR/United States were Allies...

USSR v US (on the sly during hot wars) in the Cold War (and openly in Cuba and other countries that became their "customers" and client states)

[Eighth Square]

Damned good read! I am afraid so many people, including our leaders, have their head so far up their ass that if you showed 'em proof they still would not believe.

[Wolfhound777]

He is right. We may be winning the battles, but we are not winning the war. To win the war, we must admit that we are fighting an ideology and not just a few "bad apples". I have yet to see evidence of any so called moderate Muslims. They have never condemned any terrorism against this country but they sure do get vocal when we defend ourselves. They all put allegiance to the religion (ideology) above any country or rational thought. For them, religion and government are inseperable. For this reason alone, they can not be trusted to reside in the US. The fifth column is a reality in the United States and we had better wake up to this fact soon.

[petercooper]

Savage for Prez!

[Wolfhound777]

Freepers will recall that, immediately post-9/11 I called for several measures that people thought 'draconian'. These included:

1. Withdrawing the visas of all citizens of terror-supporting states.
2. Deporting same.
3. Perform deep background checks on all 'naturalized citizens' from those nations.
4. Cessation of issuance of all visas to citizens of those nations.
5. Utilization of the National Guard and other means to secure the borders.
6. Creation of what I called a 'Super Mossad' to silently and swiftly assassinate terrorists all over the world.
7. Several other bellicose suggestions, including nuclear and psychological measures, meant to rock the Islamists (with whom we are in a state of undeclared war) and give us time to regroup and mobilize.


I agree that we should implement numbers 1,2,3,4, and 6 immediately.

[Wolfhound777]

There have been two terrorist-sponsoring, tyrannical regimes removed from power, and other states have been cowed into submission/cooperation. Terrorists have been uprooted from their training areas. The author covers little or none of this.

We may have removed two regimes from the top, but the gargbage at the bottom is still in both countries and operating. As far as Libya is concerned. I wouldn't accept that they did a 180 degree change just yet.

[kosta50]

The author needs to by a few vowels

Really? Maybe adding a few vowels to words like "bridge" or "grudge" or "throw" wouldn't hurt either.

[kosta50]

Serge speaks perfect English and I think has a phD

I met Srdja Trifkovich in Falls Church, Virginia, in June of 1991 when he was completing his PhD dissertation. He dose have a doctorate. At that time I disagreed wiht his pro-royalist position (he served on the Crown Council of the Serbian crown prince but later left for reasons unknown to me). The isse at hand in 1991 was the looming civil war in the former Yugoslavia and the discussion was centered around the representative of the Serbian Renewal Movement (SPO), a royalist party to this date, who was as off the wall as the party's leader, Vuk Drashkovich is to this day.

Srdja has become a respected political analyst since then, and his perceptions are beyond most intellect on this forum.

[sefarkas]

Why are you so sympathetic with the Serbian Communists and their heirs? Milosevic is a long time party member. Per the Britannica Ready Reference, “Born in Serbia, Yugoslavia, he joined the local Communist Party at 18. He later became head of the state-owned gas company and president of a major Belgrade bank. Advised by his wife, a communist ideologue, he became head of the Communist Party in Belgrade (1984) and later in Serbia (1987). He replaced party leaders with his supporters, and in 1989 the Serbian assembly named him president of the republic. His opposition to a confederation with Croatia and Slovenia led to the breakup of Yugoslavia (1991).”

You have been listening to Savage too long. The Serbs are notorious nationalists/fascists bent on destroying surrounding communities. Containing the Serbs is necessary no matter who does it. Serbs stole large parts of Hungary as well as attempting to subjugate non-Serbs in the Balkans. Russians were vigilant supporters of the Serbs for a century or more. Doesn’t that tell you and Michael Savage enough??? If you love liberty, private property, freedom of assembly, and self-determination you must oppose the Communists be they Serbian, Russian, French, or Chinese. Otherwise, your philosophy and outlook on life are inconsistent.

[junta]

Or Croat?

[jordan8]

The root cause of Islamic terrorism in the West are the policies of racist colonialism and genocide being waged by the elite against their own people, the cause that this sham of an investigation dare not mention. Islam doesn't have the power to confront the West, Western leftists do have the power. Islamic terrorism is just a symptom of that intermal civil war, of the fact that the elite have chosen race as a stick to seize and maintain power over the masses. This is the most destructive weapon they could have chosen. The present crop of Islamic terrorists in the West are really nothing, they are premature, the real terrorism and conflict will begin when Muslims make up 20, 30, 40%, of the populations of these countries. The war the West is losing isn't the "War on Terrorism" it's the "War on Territory".

[MarMema]

You have been listening to Savage too long. The Serbs are notorious nationalists/fascists bent on destroying surrounding communities. Containing the Serbs is necessary no matter who does it.

I don't listen to Savage and the rest of your post is sadly ignorant,but I am pinging some people who might have the time to educate you.

[MarMema]

The war the West is losing isn't the "War on Terrorism" it's the "War on Territory".

Some good points in your post.

[greenwolf]

The Serbs are notorious nationalists/fascists bent on destroying surrounding communities. Containing the Serbs is necessary no matter who does it.

As far as I know, none of the various claims of evil conduct on the part of Serbs has ever withstood close examination. At the time of the buildup to Kosovo, a number of people from surrounding countries made statements supporting the Serbs on various forums including usenet. I remember one Hungarian from the Vojvodina province noting that Hungarians had NEVER had any major problems dealing with Serbs.

There were about 26 ethnic groups in the Yugoslav federation of which about three ever had any major problems dealing with Serbs and those were the three which were most serious about supporting Hitler in WW-II i.e. Albanians, Croats, and Bosnians.

Albanians are universally hated by everybody on Earth other than Albanians. Their basic program is to outbreed all other Balkan nations, averaging ten or twelve kids per family, ensconsing themselves into little corners of other peoples' countries and doing their breeding thing for 20 tears or so until they can claim to be a majority in the little corner, and then break the little corner off into "Greater Albania".

The genesis of the recent problems in Kosovo was Milosevic's rescinding the autonomy of the province in 89

Basically, he had to; every other ethnic group in the province were being brutalized by the Albanians. Read it:

Typical highlights:

Ethnic Albanians in the Government have manipulated public funds and regulations to take over land belonging to Serbs. And politicians have exchanged vicious insults.

Slavic Orthodox churches have been attacked, and flags have been torn down. Wells have been poisoned and crops burned.

Slavic boys have been knifed, and some young ethnic Albanians have been told by their elders to rape Serbian girls.

I mean, that's from a NY Times article in 1987 before there was any axe to grind over Kosovo, at least in America.

I mean, calling the AKs barbarians is almost an unjustifiable insult to the memory of guys like Attilla the Hun, Genseric the Vandal, Ragnar Lothbrook...

Another really good description of the events which led to Slick Clinton's temporarily handing the ancient heartland opf Serbia over to the Albanians

I am an ordinary American; I'm neither Serb, slavic, nor a member of the orthodox church. I have no pony in this race. I found the rationale for the actions in 94-95 questionable and when Kosovo began to heat up, made it my business to find out everything I could about the situation. What I found out was horrifying. Pretty much everything which the West has heard and read about the Balkans over the last dozen years is unadulterated BS, and we basically bombed a totally innocent Christian nation into the stoneage for the benefit of slammite narco terrorists, white trash and savages four years ago.

A typical if horrific example of the extent to which the Western public has been bullshitized is the story of the so-called Bosnian Serb 'death camp' at Trnopolja. Read it and weep.

[Balding_Eagle]

One year into what is probably a 25 or 50 year war, and the author presumes to be able to call it? Spare us.

[Bernard Marx]

we are losing the war on terror because we are civilized and they are not

We think alike.

[DTA]

>>>>>You have been listening to Savage too long.<<<<

Farkas, nem értem hate speech, can you translate this into English?

I am so sorry Hungary was American ENEMY in both World Wars and staunch supporter of Soviet Union during Cold WAR. And LOST ALL 3. Hungarians were also Serb ENEMIES in both World Wars and during Cold War. It was Hungarians who commited ATROCITIES against Serbs in both World Wars, not vice versa.

Serbs stole part of Hungary? What part if I may ask? Please take your historical revisionism elsewhere. Nazi sites are good choice.

Hungarians were FASCISTS, NAZIS AND STAUNCH COMMUNISTS during good part of XX century. Your accusation of Serbs of being Commies is a perfect example of PROJECTION.

Here is something to refresh your memory who the Hungarians are:

"The Family" is a monument to victims of The Raid, madeof bronze, 4m in height, on gentry made of brick. The monument is piece of Novi Sad sculptor Jovan Soldatovic. It was placed in 1971. on Kej Zrtava Racije (Raid Victims Quay) in the living memory of The Raid made by hungarian ocupational forces on 21, 22. and 23. of january in 1942., when more than 1,300 Serbs, Jews and Gypsies were killed and thrown uder the ice of the Danube River. In 1992. 4 plates in serbian and hebrew, which give basic information about the event, were placed on the monument along with 60 plates with the names of the killed.

I also understand you can not bear the fact that Serbs won the first allied victory in WWI:

BATTLE OF CER (1914) When the First World War started the Austro-Hungarian army under the command of General Pochorek pushed into Serbia across the Sava and the Drina. Sabac fell. The Serb Second Army under the command of General Stepa Stepanovic advanced towards Cer, the Sumadija Division towards Sabac and the Cavalry Division towards Macva. On the left flank the Third Army under the command of General Sturm entered the battle. During August 1914 a great battle was waged in the area of Cer, in which around 200,000 men with a great number of artillery pieces of ordnance took part on the Austro-Hungarian side, and around 180,000 men on the Serb side. The main battle at Cer lasted from August 16 to 19. On Transfiguration the Serb army won a great victory, pushed the enemy army back across the Drina and completely thwarted the Austro-Hungarian war plan. Around 25,000 Austro-Hungarian officers and soldiers were killed and wounded, and around 4500 were captured. The Serb army lost around 16,000. The aggressor withdrew from Sandzak as well. It was the first Allied victory in the First World War, because of which the reputation of Serbia improved considerably.

BATTLE OF THE KOLUBARA (1914)

After the battle of the Drina in September 1914, the Serb army was forced by the advancing Austro-Hungarian army to retreat towards the river Kolubara and Ljig. In the occupied areas the enemy army committed unprecedented atrocities against civilians, and in mid-November the Serb army had to retreat even further and stopped on the frontline 130 kilometres long: Mt. Varovnica-Kosmaj-Vagan-Takovo-Kablar-Ovcar-Mt. Jelica. There were around 160,000 Austro-Hungarian soldiers and around 120,000 Serb soldiers. Completely unexpectedly for the enemy, the Serb forces mounted an attack on December 3. By exerting persistent pressure, the Serb First Army, under the command of General Zivojin Misic, broke the enemy front; the Second Army exerted the frontal pressure on the enemy, while the Belgrade defence troops withstood the attack and stabilised the situation by a counterattack on December 6. In the night between December 6 and 7, the Austro-Hungarian army retreated across the Kolubara and by December 15, it was forced to withdraw from Serbia completely. In the Battle of the Kolubara more than 43,000 Austro-Hungarian soldiers and officers, as well as large quantities of war material, were captured.

Cer and Drina are taught in many Military academies around the globe as an example how determined force can destroy superior invader.

[DTA]

Farkas,

Don't waste your time on FR, this is better place for your historiographical and ethnological analysis

[FormerLib]

And welcome to Free Republic, Mr. Schwartz.