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9/11 kin: Answers just raise questions (the usual suspects)
NY Daily News ^ | 4/9/4 | JAMES GORDON MEEK CORKY SIEMASZKO

Posted on 04/09/2004 7:11:25 AM PDT by finnman69

Relatives of the Sept. 11 victims ripped into Condoleezza Rice yesterday after she insisted the Bush administration had no clue the U.S. would be attacked.

"Shame," Terry McGovern, a New Yorker whose mother was killed, yelled at the national security adviser during Rice's testimony before the 9/11 commission.

Other relatives ridiculed Rice's assertion that she had no idea that Osama Bin Laden's men would hijack planes and crash them into the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

"How could she not know that?" asked Kristen Breitweiser, who lost her husband in the attacks. She noted that several similar threats were made, including during the Atlanta Olympics.

"It's her job to know about national security threats facing the nation. If she doesn't know that, than who does? Who else is responsible?" Breitweiser asked.

Unlike former terrorism czar Richard Clarke, Rice did not apologize to the family members for the government's failure to prevent the catastrophe.

"As an officer of government on duty that day, I will never forget the sorrow and the anger I felt," Rice said.

But Rice's words won few converts in the audience.

It was angry relatives such as Breitweiser and McGovern who pressured the White House into allowing Rice to testify about the massive intelligence failures that led up to the worst terrorist attacks in U.S. history.

For the first hour, they and the other relatives in the audience sat quietly as Rice primly read from a prepared statement and answered the commissioners' questions.

But when Rice disclosed that five weeks before the attacks, President Bush got a secret CIA briefing titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States," many in the audience gasped and shook their heads.

"I said 'shame' because we didn't know about that until today," McGovern said.

Mary Fetchet, whose son Brad was killed, shook her head as Rice justified the war in Iraq as part of the war on terror.

"It was a public relations campaign for actions this administration has taken since 9/11," Fetchet said.

Abraham Scott of Springfield, Va., was angered by Rice's lengthy answers, which ate up each commissioner's 10 minutes of questioning.

Rice "was talking around the questions," said Scott, whose wife, Janice Marie, was killed at the Pentagon. "She wasn't saying anything of substance."

When Rice finished, a couple of family members embraced her. It was a sharp contrast to the teary group hug that Clarke got.

"We had to beg for this commission, we've had to beg for answers," Breitweiser said later on MSNBC's "Hardball." "It's 2-1/2 years later, and we finally hear from the national security adviser, and we had to beg for it."

Not all the family members were furious with Rice.

Ernest Strada, the mayor of Westbury, L.I., and father of slain Cantor-Fitzgerald worker Thomas Strada, thanked Rice for coming and hugged her.

"I thought she was very candid," he said.

Debra Burlingame, who lives in Westchester and whose brother Charles was a pilot on the plane that hit the Pentagon, said Rice "acquitted herself brilliantly."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: Solson
Read these conspiracy laden theories Kleinberg presented:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing1/witness_kleinberg.htm

First public hearing of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States Statement of Mindy Kleinberg to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

March 31, 2003

My name is Mindy Kleinberg. My husband Alan Kleinberg, 39 yrs old, was killed in the WTC on September 11, 2001. As I testify here today about the 9/11 attacks, I will begin by saying that my thoughts are very much with the men and women who are involved in armed conflict overseas and their families who wait patiently for them to return.

This war is being fought on two fronts, overseas as well as here on our shores; this means that we are all soldiers in this fight against terrorism. As the threat of terrorism mounts here in the United States, the need to address the failures of September 11 is more important than ever. It is an essential part of "lessons learned".

As such, this commission has an extremely important task before it. I am here today to ask you, the commissioners, to help us understand how this could have happened; help us understand where the breakdown was in our nation's defense capabilities.

Where were we on the morning of September 11th? On the morning of September 11th my three-year-old son, Sam, and I walked Jacob 10, and Lauren, 7 to the bus stop at about 8:40 a.m. It was the fourth day of a new school year and you could still feel everyone's excitement. It was such a beautiful day that Sam and I literally skipped home oblivious to what was happening in NYC.

At around 8:55 I was confirming play date plans for Sam with a friend when she said, "I can't believe what I am watching on TV, a plane has just hit the World Trade Center." For some reason it did not register with me until a few minutes later when I calmly asked, "what building did you say?" "Oh that's Alan's building I have to call you back."

There was no answer when I tried to reach him at the office. By now my house started filling with people--his mother, my parents, our sisters and friends. The seriousness of the situation was beginning to register. We spent the rest of the day calling hospitals, and the Red Cross and any place else we could think of to see if we could find him.

I'll never forget thinking all day long, "how am I going to tell Jacob and Lauren that their father was missing?"

They came home to a house filled with people but no Daddy. How were they going to be able to wait calmly for his return? What if he was really hurt? This was their hero, their king their best friend, their father. The thoughts of that day replay over and over in our heads always wishing for a different outcome.

We are trying to learn to live with the pain. We will never forget where we were or how we felt on September 11th.

But where was our government, its agencies, and institutions prior to and on the morning of September 11th?

The Theory of Luck

With regard to the 9/11 attacks, it has been said that the intelligence agencies have to be right 100% of the time and the terrorists only have to get lucky once. This explanation for the devastating attacks of September 11th, simple on its face, is wrong in its value. Because the 9/11 terrorists were not just lucky once: they were lucky over and over again. Allow me to illustrate.

The SEC

The terrorist's lucky streak began the week before September 11th with the Securities and Exchange Commission, or SEC. The SEC, in concert with the United States intelligence agencies, has sophisticated software programs that are used in "real-time" to watch both domestic and overseas markets to seek out trends that may indicate a present or future crime. In the week prior to September 11th both the SEC and U.S. intelligence agencies ignored one major stock market indicator, one that could have yielded valuable information with regard to the September 11th attacks.

On the Chicago Board Options Exchange during the week before September 11th, put options were purchased on American and United Airlines, the two airlines involved in the attacks. The investors who placed these orders were gambling that in the short term the stock prices of both Airlines would plummet. Never before on the Chicago Exchange were such large amounts of United and American Airlines options traded. These investors netted a profit of at least $5 million after the September 11th attacks.

Interestingly, the names of the investors remain undisclosed and the $5 million remains unclaimed in the Chicago Exchange account.

Why these aberrant trades were not discovered prior to 9/11? Who were the individuals who placed these trades? Have they been investigated? Who was responsible for monitoring these activities? Have those individuals been held responsible for their inaction?

The INS

Prior to 9/11, our US intelligence agencies should have stopped the 19 terrorists from entering this country for intelligence reasons, alone. However, their failure to do so in 19 instances does not negate the luck involved for the terrorists when it comes to their visa applications and our Immigration and Naturalization Service, or INS.

With regard to the INS, the terrorists got lucky 15 individual times, because 15 of the 19 hijackers' visas should have been unquestionably denied.

Most of the 19 hijackers were young, unmarried, and un-employed males. They were, in short, the "classic over-stay candidates". A seasoned former Consular officer stated in National Review magazine, "Single, idle young adults with no specific destination in the United States rarely get visas absent compelling circumstances."

Yet these 19 young single, unemployed, "classic overstay candidates still received their visas." I am holding in my hand the applications of the terrorists who killed my husband. All of these forms are incomplete and incorrect.

Some of the terrorists listed their means of support as simply "student" failing to then list the name and address of any school or institution. Others, when asked about their means of support for their stay in the US wrote "myself" and provided no further documentation. Some of the terrorists listed their destination in the US as simply "hotel" or "California" or "New York". One even listed his destination as "no".

Had the INS or State Department followed the law, at least 15 of the hijackers would have been denied visas and would not have been in the United States on September 11th, 2001.

Help us to understand how something as simple as reviewing forms for completeness could have been missed at least 15 times. How many more lucky terrorists gained unfettered access into this country? With no one being held accountable, how do know this still isn't happening?

Airline and Airport Security

On the morning of September 11th, the terrorists' luck commenced with airline and airport security. When the 19 hijackers went to purchase their tickets (with cash and/or credit cards) and to receive their boarding passes, nine were singled out and questioned through a screening process. Luckily for those nine terrorists, they passed the screening process and were allowed to continue on with their mission.

But, the terrorist's luck didn't end at the ticket counter; it also accompanied them through airport security, as well. Because how else would the hijackers get specifically contraband items such as box-cutters, pepper spray or, according to one FAA executive summary, a gun on those planes?

Finally, sadly for us, years of GAO recommendations to secure cockpit doors were ignored making it all too easy for the hijackers to gain access to the flight controls and carryout their suicide mission.

FAA and NORAD

Prior to 9/11, FAA and Department of Defense Manuals gave clear, comprehensive instructions on how to handle everything from minor emergencies to full blown hijackings.

These "protocols" were in place and were practiced regularly for a good reason--with heavily trafficked air space; airliners without radio and transponder contact are collisions and/or calamities waiting to happen.

Those protocols dictate that in the event of an emergency, the FAA is to notify NORAD. Once that notification takes place, it is then the responsibility of NORAD to scramble fighter-jets to intercept the errant plane(s). It is a matter of routine procedure for fighter-jets to "intercept" commercial airliners in order to regain contact with the pilot.

If that weren't protection enough, on September 11th, NEADS (or the North East Air Defense System dept of NORAD) was several days into a semiannual exercise known as "Vigilant Guardian". This meant that our North East Air Defense system was fully staffed. In short, key officers were manning the operation battle center, "fighter jets were cocked, loaded, and carrying extra gas on board."

Lucky for the terrorists none of this mattered on the morning of September 11th.

Let me illustrate using just flight 11 as an example.

American Airline Flight 11 departed from Boston Logan Airport at 7:45 a.m. The last routine communication between ground control and the plane occurred at 8:13 a.m. Between 8:13 and 8:20 a.m. Flight 11 became unresponsive to ground control. Additionally, radar indicated that the plane had deviated from its assigned path of flight. Soon thereafter, transponder contact was lost - (although planes can still be seen on radar - even without their transponders).

Two Flight 11 airline attendants had separately called American Airlines reporting a hijacking, the presence of weapons, and the infliction of injuries on passengers and crew. At this point, it would seem abundantly clear that Flight 11 was an emergency.

Yet, according to NORAD's official timeline, NORAD was not contacted until 20 minutes later at 8:40 a.m. Tragically the fighter jets were not deployed until 8:52 a.m. -- a full 32 minutes after the loss of contact with flight 11.

Why was there a delay in the FAA notifying NORAD? Why was there a delay in NORAD scrambling fighter jets? How is this possible when NEADS was fully staffed with planes at the ready and monitoring our Northeast airspace?

Flight's 175, 77 and 93 all had this same repeat pattern of delays in notification and delays in scrambling fighter jets. Delays that are unimaginable considering a plane had, by this time, already hit the WTC

Even more baffling for us is the fact that the fighter jets were not scrambled from the closest air force bases. For example, for the flight that hit the Pentagon, the jets were scrambled from Langley Air Force in Hampton, Virginia rather than Andrews Air Force Base right outside D.C. As a result, Washington skies remained wholly unprotected on the morning of September 11th. At 9:41 a.m. one hour and 11 minutes after the first plane was hijack confirmed by NORAD, Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. The fighter jets were still miles away. Why?

So the hijackers luck had continued. On September 11th both the FAA and NORAD deviated from standard emergency operating procedures .Who were the people that delayed the notification? Have they been questioned? In addition, the interceptor planes or fighter jets did not fly at their maximum speed.

Had the belatedly scrambled fighter jets flown at their maximum speed of engagement, MACH-12, they would have reached NYC and the Pentagon within moments of their deployment, intercepted the hijacked airliners before they could have hit their targets, and undoubtedly saved lives.

Leadership

Joint Chief Of Staff

The acting Joint Chief of staff on Sept 11th was on the morning of September 11th, he was having a routine meeting . Acting Joint Chief of staff Myers stated that he saw a TV. report about a plane hitting the WTC but thought it was a small plane or something like that. So, he went ahead with his meeting. "Meanwhile the second World Trade Center was hit by another jet. Nobody informed us of that," Myers said. By the time he came out of the meeting the Pentagon had been hit.

Whose responsibility was it to relay this emergency to the Joint Chief of Staff? Have they been held accountable for their error? Surely this represents a breakdown of protocol.

Secretary of Defense

The Secretary of Defense, was at his desk doing paperwork when AA77 crashed into the Pentagon.

As reported, Secretary Rumsfeld felt the building shake, went outside, saw the damage and started helping the injured onto stretchers. After aiding the victims, the Secretary then went into the 'War Room'.

How is it possible that the National Military Command Center, located in the Pentagon and in contact with law enforcement and air traffic controllers from 8:46 a.m. did not communicate to the Secretary of Defense also at the Pentagon about the other hijacked planes especially the one headed to Washington? How is that Secretary of Defense could have remained at this desk until the crash? Whose responsibility is it to relay emergency situations to him? Is he then supposed to go to the war room?

President

At 6:15 a.m. on the morning of 9/11, my husband Alan left for work; he drove into New York City, and was at his desk and working at his NASDAQ Security Trading position with Cantor Fitzgerald, in Tower One of the WTC by 7:30 a.m.

In contrast, on the morning of September 11, President Bush was scheduled to listen to elementary school children read.

Before the President walked into the classroom NORAD had sufficient information that the plane that hit the WTC was hijacked. At that time, they also had knowledge that two other commercial airliners, in the air, were also hijacked. It would seem that a national emergency was in progress.

Yet President Bush was allowed to enter a classroom full of young children and listen to the students read.

Why didn't the Secret Service inform him of this national emergency? When is a President supposed to be notified of everything the agencies know? Why was the President permitted by the Secret Service to remain in the Sarasota elementary school? Was this Secret Service protocol?

In the case of a national emergency, seconds of indecision could cost thousands of lives; and it's precisely for this reason that our government has a whole network of adjuncts and advisors to insure that these top officials are among the first to be informed--not the last. Where were these individuals who did not properly inform these top officials? Where was the breakdown in communication?

Was it luck or No Fault Government

Is it luck that aberrant stock trades were not monitored? Is it luck when 15 visas are awarded based on incomplete forms? Is it luck when Airline Security screenings allow hijackers to board planes with box cutters and pepper spray? Is it luck when Emergency FAA and NORAD protocols are not followed? Is it luck when a national emergency is not reported to top government officials on a timely basis?

To me luck is something that happens once. When you have this repeated pattern of broken protocols, broken laws, broken communication, one cannot still call it luck.

If at some point we don't look to hold the individuals accountable for not doing their jobs properly then how can we ever expect for terrorists not to get lucky again?

And, that is why I am here with all of you today. Because, we must find the answers as to what happened that day so as to ensure that another September 11th can never happen again.

Commissioners, I implore you to answer our questions. You are the Generals in the terrorism fight on our shores. In answering our questions, you have the ability to make this nation a safer place and in turn, minimize the damage if there is another terrorist attack. And, if there is another attack, the next time, our systems will be in place and working and luck will not be an issue.

Mindy Kleinberg is a founding member of September 11th Advocates, a family advocacy group that spearheaded the grassroots effort for the establishment of the independent commission on September 11th.

Her husband Alan Kleinberg was a NASDAQ security trader with Cantor Fitzgerald in the NorthTower of the WTC on the 104th Floor. He was 39 and had been a NASDAQ security trader for 15 years.

Mrs. Kleinberg is a Certified Public Accountant. She met her husband when they both worked at Deloitte-Touche, but she left the accounting profession to become a stay-at-home mom. She lives in New Jersey with her three children; Jacob 11; Lauren 8 and Sam 4.

21 posted on 04/09/2004 8:17:01 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple; onyx; Peach; kayak; Dog; PhiKapMom
FYI
22 posted on 04/09/2004 9:44:07 AM PDT by Carolinamom (Monthly donors have more fun!!)
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To: finnman69
9/11 Professional Victims here:


Kristen Breitweiser, wife of Ronald Breitweiser, 39
Fiduciary Trust International, WTC Tower Two
Hometown: Middletown Township, NJ
Co-Chair, September 11th Advocates
Kdianbreit@aol.com

Patty Casazza, wife of John F. Casazza, 38
Cantor Fitzgerald, 104th floor, WTC Tower One
Hometown: Colts Neck, NJ
Co-Chair, September 11th Advocates
jcasazz2@optonline.net

Mindy Kleinberg, wife of Alan Kleinberg, 39
Cantor Fitzgerald, 104th floor, WTC Tower One
Hometown: East Brunswick, NJ
Co-Chair, September 11th Advocates
akleinberg@comcast.net

Lorie Van Auken, wife of Kenneth Van Auken, 47
Cantor Fitzgerald, 105th floor, WTC Tower One
Hometown: East Brunswick, NJ
Co-Chair, September 11th Advocates
kenvan@comcast.net
23 posted on 04/09/2004 9:45:58 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Poodlebrain
How true. I guess the only answer these widow-activists will accept is that clinton didn't pass on his crystal ball.
24 posted on 04/09/2004 9:48:22 AM PDT by ampat (to)
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To: finnman69
"Had the belatedly scrambled fighter jets flown at their maximum speed of engagement, MACH-12"

Gee, I didn't know those old F-14s or F-16s could go that fast! That would be at least 8,400 MPH! Maybe it was Mach 1.2 and this CPA left out a decimal point. I thought CPA's were good with numbers.

For all those things to go wrong deliberately, you'd need to have more people in on this conspiracy than it took to frame OJ Simpson!
25 posted on 04/09/2004 10:14:26 AM PDT by GeorgiaYankee (Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter-- now providing aid, comfort and talking points to our enemies.)
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To: finnman69
I have a new suggestion for President Bush and Condi.

I think they should hire the NJ 4 (professional whining widows) as the new U.S. Security team. Their responsibility will be the safety of all Americans in the United States.

Therefore, it will be THEIR fault if the United States ever gets attacked again. They seem to be so smart and know everything there is to know. They have read all there is about 9/11, even made scrapbooks, canvassed Congress, spoke to Bill Clinton, and even contributed testimony and questions about the failure to this 9/11 commission.

Therefore, it will be their responsibility to implement ALL the suggestions from their own fought-for 9/11 commission. Bush and Condi can give them the money, the staff, the access to the FBI and CIA, etc -- everything they need to be successful.

But they have to run the whole show. Then, if we should ever be attacked again, we get to try them in a court of law for not protecting us. After all, the results of their 9/11 commission is supposed to predict and prevent all future similar events to 9/11 by looking backward and analyzing what went wrong.

Millions of dollars have been spent on this commission, they have had all the access to all the information, they have gotten to interview everyone they wanted to. So, there should be ZERO future attacks, right? I wonder if these four widows would be willing to take the job knowing that possible jail time would be the result for their failure?

They seem to be so assured that they know all the answers, why would they be afraid to gamble on their own results?


26 posted on 04/09/2004 11:40:08 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Solson
Mrs. Breitwieser stated on Hardball that her husband was leaving the second tower and went back when the announcement was made by the building authority that it was "okay" to go back upstairs.

Now, be honest: if you were in the stairwell of a building 100 feet from a building that had an AIRPLANE ON FIRE in it, would you have turned back?

27 posted on 04/09/2004 11:54:57 AM PDT by Howlin ("NO OVERRIDING EXTERNAL THREATS" -Bill Clinton, 12/2000)
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To: VOA
They think they should get about a billion dollars each for their loss...

I saw a discussion with a whole lot of the WTC families on MSNBC one day; some of the families actually said out loud that, why, yes, since you asked, MY husband was worth more than the people who worked in the restaurant on the top floor.

It was one of the most shocking displays of greed I have EVER seen in my entire life.

It is not my fault that they were living beyond their means with NO LIFE INSURANCE; it is not MY duty, nor yours, to keep these people in the style to which they have become accusomted.

They should sell their SUVs, pull the kids out of private school, unload the expensive house, and get a damn job, just like you and I would do if something like this happened to us.

28 posted on 04/09/2004 11:58:23 AM PDT by Howlin ("NO OVERRIDING EXTERNAL THREATS" -Bill Clinton, 12/2000)
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To: Howlin
Now, be honest: if you were in the stairwell of a building 100 feet from a building that had an AIRPLANE ON FIRE in it, would you have turned back?

An idiotic greedy trader who cared more about making money than protecting himself might have turned back.

29 posted on 04/09/2004 12:13:08 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69
Do you think there is any way that that man didn't know what happened in that building/s in 1993?

Would you have gone back if you cared about your life?
30 posted on 04/09/2004 12:15:37 PM PDT by Howlin ("NO OVERRIDING EXTERNAL THREATS" -Bill Clinton, 12/2000)
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To: Howlin
I would have been knocking people down to get down the stair faster
31 posted on 04/09/2004 12:55:02 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Carolinamom
I hate these people.
Smear Condi and blame Bush.
It's a set-up for their lawsuits.
And, don't be surprised when Ben Venesta is involved
with their representation.
32 posted on 04/09/2004 1:31:29 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold)
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To: Howlin
why, yes, since you asked, MY husband was worth more than the people who worked
in the restaurant on the top floor.


While it's not a particularly nice argument...
I did sort of give a thumbs-up to my old homies (in Oklahoma) when a few of the
relatives of the OKC Murrah bombing victims started to ask "what were my loved ones -
chopped liver?" in response to some of the large cash settlements to
the survivors of WTC victims.

I'd not venture into the "how much is a human life worth" battleground,
but it was a bit fun to see some Okies show a bit of NYC "hutzpah"!
33 posted on 04/09/2004 1:53:47 PM PDT by VOA
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To: finnman69
To: info@9-11Commission.gov
Subject: Urgent Note to 9-11 Commission: North Korea says standoff with US at "brink of nuclear war"

Body:
North Korea says standoff with US at "brink of nuclear war"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1114807/posts
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/040409/1/3jdy5.html

Urgent note to the 9-11 commission: We have a terrorist threat warning! What do you suggest?
34 posted on 04/10/2004 12:47:40 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: finnman69
These two scumbags, Terry McGovern and Kristen Breitweiser, would urinate all over the corpses of their alleged "loved ones" if they thought it would help Kerry and the Democrats.
35 posted on 04/10/2004 12:53:54 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Howlin
Now, be honest: if you were in the stairwell of a building 100 feet from a building that had an AIRPLANE ON FIRE in it, would you have turned back?

I just read something in the New York Observer about Mrs. Breitweiser, professional victim. She said "My husband was in building two of the Trade Center. If he had only known we were under terrorist threat, he wouldn’t have thought it was an accident, and he might have run out of the building." Incidentally, this is from an article entitled "Vigilant Widows Wait For Condi With Suspicion". Of course, these same professional victims were quoted in other articles talking against Condi, with no mention of their long-held animosity towards her.

36 posted on 04/10/2004 3:00:11 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: NYCVirago
She is exactly who I am quoting. Was he dumb? Did he NOT know what had happened there in 1993?

Would YOU have gone back in that building or stayed in there?

I am NOT talking about the people who were trapped ABOVE the planes.

I am talking about those who were below the planes; they ones who COULD have gotten out.
37 posted on 04/10/2004 3:02:50 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I agree with you, and you raise an excellent point: "Did he NOT know what had happened there in 1993?" But it's much more profitable for Breitweiser to blame Bush, than to blame her husband for not getting out of the building. Anyhow, here's the link to the full article I quoted from.

http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage2.asp
38 posted on 04/10/2004 3:18:55 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Howlin
One other thing -- in the article I linked above, it talks about how Breitweiser still hasn't taken down this year's Christmas decorations. I guess she's too busy bashing Bush 24/7 to have time to do mundane duties like that.
39 posted on 04/10/2004 3:20:42 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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