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Free Republic | April 8, 2004 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/08/2004 9:19:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

As most of you are aware, we've recently received several copyright complaints. In the last few weeks, we've received complaints from the SJ Mercury News, Independent (UK), SF Chronicle and The Boston Globe. Just a couple days ago the Post-Gazette send a cease and desist notice and yesterday I heard from the Tribune-Review.

Tonight, I got a call from Amy and there were two more registered letters at our PO Box. The McClatchy News (Sacramento Bee) and USAToday are now added to the list of publications that have complained about copyright violations.

Well, folks, the handwriting is on the wall. The complaints are now coming in faster than I can respond to them. John is currently in the process of writing programs to search out and automatically excerpt all existing threads from these sources.

I think we're gonna have to go to excerpt and link for all news sources very soon unless we have written permission on file.


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To: weegee; international american
"Again, if a copyright lawyer could show that a number of FR-aware publications knew about FR's 'copyright violations' but did nothing until prompted into action by an instigator, then they may have lost their 'right' to cry foul."

That's just it, weegee.
*Proving* what was & wasn't inside their pinsized heads would be a SOB to pull off.
There's no one who could seriously say they'd tell the truth; under oath or otherwise.

The Liberal-Socialists -- and ESPECIALLY the sycophant quisling print mediots -- have to be the consummate *experts* at getting their stories straight so they can present one hellova united front.

We all -- you & I -- have witnessed this disgraceful distortion of "right" & "honor" by this monstrous ilk many times in the past whether it was wacking Bork, Gingrich, Livingstone, Lott, Tripp; or, protecting one of their own ala Clintigula, his hag, the august senator/KKK Grand Kleazle of W.VA. & on and on.

This ilk is *insideous*.
There's simply no doubt in my military mind the largest single threat to not only our democracy but to to the very survival of our Republic itself, is the maniacs running the lamestream -- be it print or broadcast -- media today, 2004.

I'm not kidding one bit either, they're that dangerous so catching 'em up would be alot like trying to catch a greased eel.

"A copyright must be inforced when you first discover the infraction, not years later as an election approaches."

I don't doubt your asserion for one instant but, again.
How'd someone/body go about proving any *one* of these rags knew beforehand FR had been C&Ping [their] -- putrid -- material?
Think they'd admit to knowing all along?
(If you do -- which I wouldn't believe -- you've something to learn about these horrible miscreants.)

I gotta wonder if we could even make a serious case against 'em IF we were to locate an article appearing in their own rag, detailing the FR/WP/LAP settlement.
It's gotten that nuts.

The "Law" has become so twisted and distorted over the past decade along with some kind of an incestuous relationship between the mediots & the law -- thanks in no small part to Clintigula, himself -- that achieving justice in any measure is nearly an impossiblity.

Which sooner or later?

...we're all going to have to admit exists.

441 posted on 04/09/2004 2:28:59 PM PDT by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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If the media wants us to "excerpt only" they are going to have to stop leaving themselves so open:

One Good Month (Slip of the Tongue Lets the Truth Out)

The New York Times ^ | 4/9/2004 | Paul Krugman

Posted on 04/09/2004 2:17:16 PM PDT by alex

--- Snip out usual Krugman's drivel ----

I know: Mr. Clinton doesn't deserve all or even most of the credit for the good times on his watch, and Mr. Bush doesn't deserve all the blame for the bad times on his.

---- Snip out even more of usual Krugman's drivel ---


442 posted on 04/09/2004 2:38:24 PM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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To: Landru
"Again, if a copyright lawyer could show that a number of FR-aware publications knew about FR's 'copyright violations' but did nothing until prompted into action by an instigator, then they may have lost their 'right' to cry foul."

That's just it, weegee.

*Proving* what was & wasn't inside their pinsized heads would be a SOB to pull off.

Certainly a number of complaining websites had staffers who were aware of the website www.freerepublic.com. Certainly a number of editors at those websites were aware that Free Republic existed for more reasons (and had more content) than merely discussing the freeping of online polls.

I've tried to include relevant keywords in threads when I find them (including frinthenews == FR In The News). I cannot find good search terms to find some of the "complaining sites" articles about FR from YEARS ago.

443 posted on 04/09/2004 2:55:06 PM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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To: Landru
Another tip off that "they knew" but did nothing. The same click throughs that generate advertising revenue also indicate to them where the traffic comes from.

I've seen both posts from people hosting images on their servers and who just get a bump in traffic (all coming from FR).

Certainly we are all aware of cases like Margaret Cho's website operator complaining about FR sending them visitors and email (emails that do not indicate a "FReeper" sent it; FReepmail doesn't go to outside sites).

Certainly at larger companies there is someone reviewing just where their traffic comes from. Such data can even be used to solicit potential advertisers.

If these media companies could be forced to reveal their records, they would very likely show just how much they did know and for how long.

444 posted on 04/09/2004 2:59:48 PM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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To: Landru
"The "Law" has become so twisted and distorted over the past decade along with some kind of an incestuous relationship between the mediots & the law -- thanks in no small part to Clintigula, himself -- that achieving justice in any measure is nearly an impossiblity.

Which sooner or later?

...we're all going to have to admit exists."

I agree. The people pass a law...and the appelate court(lefties) throw it out.


445 posted on 04/09/2004 3:16:23 PM PDT by international american (Support our troops!! Send Kerry back to Bedlam,Massachusetts!!)
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To: Quick1
I never said anyones right to freedom of speech was being infringed upon. That's what you said. OTOH, there are many associated aspects to free speech.

A few years back, FreeRepublic's owner/operator Jim Robinson was taken to court by the Washington Post and LA Times for copyright infringement. Many people considered this a bogus lawsuit. The court said we FReepers had to stop posting full articles from the WP&LAT`s websites.

In that context, this is another effort by certain publications to stifle the publics right to fair use of the written word, for education and discussion purposes only. Not to mention an effort to silence FreeRepublic.

446 posted on 04/09/2004 3:40:12 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY !)
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To: weegee; Jim Robinson; John Robinson
Thanks, weegee. The only thing I'd add is that I'm not sure that FR could qualify as not a commercial site, since it is a for-profit entity (even though it raises its money by contributions).
447 posted on 04/09/2004 4:25:24 PM PDT by Piranha
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To: Jim Robinson
Could you automate the login process - say we could keep our login name and password (or age, gender and zip code, whatever the news source needs) on file with FR - for each freeper, for each supported news source? Then we could 'one-click' through to the original article (oops - better make that two clicks - wouldn't want to give the Amazon lawyers any billable hours ;).

When I clicked on the link to some known news source for which I didn't have on FR file the needed login info, I'd get a screen (that you guys wrote) that asked me to either provide one-time the needed login info, or select the option to "Don't ask me again on this site, as I can handle my own login, thank-you kindly".

On on another My Account page I could list, update, delete my login info for each supported news web site.

I suspect that what I'm suggesting here is too difficult, because it seems to involve automating responses to ever changing login screens of dozens of news web sites. Life is too short for that crap. But I'm no web meister, so perhaps that part isn't such a pain.

And the other gotcha that comes to mind -- if some computer in sunny Freeper California (or wherever your FR server is) logs in for me, how to we transfer that login info to my nice little PC? Having a javascript do the login for me right off my PC seems to be pushing javascript further than even the Sun marketing rep would consider practical. Can a javascript transfer the cookie?

448 posted on 04/09/2004 4:46:35 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Defeat J Frondeur Kerry)
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To: Piranha
From the main FR website page:

Free Republic, LLC is a non-commercial ... company...
Free Republic is not a for profit commercial enterprise in the sense of a traditional business ...

449 posted on 04/09/2004 5:03:36 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY !)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Dissect later.
450 posted on 04/09/2004 5:57:52 PM PDT by jokar (On line data base http://www.trackingthethreat.com/db/index.htm)
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To: Jim Robinson
bump
451 posted on 04/09/2004 8:11:42 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: CatOwner
I think you are absolutely correct!
452 posted on 04/09/2004 8:27:02 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Jim Robinson
your point is, the entire article is biased, or the entire article needs to be exposed, dissected, compared fact by fact, lie by lie with others, or with subsequent articles on the same topic, etc, then you've got to post the whole thing. That's the point.

How about a system that ties comments into the particular piece of text being commented upon, which would make the comments look like footnotes. More and more of the original would appear progressively as comments cite them. That way, no more of the original ever appears than is demonstrated necessary for a First Amendment purpose. Some care would have to be taken that frivolous cites aren't used simply to build up the amount of original, but abuse complaints could handle that.

453 posted on 04/09/2004 10:49:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Jim Robinson
Look at it like this Jim, only hot targets draw flak.

Great Job!
454 posted on 04/10/2004 4:01:39 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: international american
"The people pass a law...and the appelate court(lefties) throw it out."

*Precisely*.

It ain't no accident it happens like that, either.
It's a well planned & executed *strategy* by the Liberal-Socialist forces to destroy this magnificent Republic.

The whole thing's no more complicated than that when ya strip away all the *onion's* layers so one may see the core, my friend.

...it's high time people realize it too, don'tcha think?

455 posted on 04/10/2004 8:33:18 AM PDT by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Landru
"It's a well planned & executed *strategy* by the Liberal-Socialist forces to destroy this magnificent Republic."

I think more and more people are coming to realize that the courts are rewriting law, or tossing the law aside, which amouts to the same thing. The left is much more cunning than we are....also they are devoid of ethics or honor. Just watch this election for true ugliness!!
456 posted on 04/10/2004 8:59:13 AM PDT by international american (Support our troops!! Send Kerry back to Bedlam,Massachusetts!!)
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To: weegee
You -- obviously -- know so much more about the inner workings of the Internet than I, weegee.
I'm clearly outa my league speaking with you on [that] part, neighbor.

You sound like you [really] know your stuff and, based upon that assumption I'd say you might just be correct in your assertions.
But you'd also want to seek out people who're minimally as knowledgable as yourself if you were to seriously go after these dispicable Liberal-Socialist monsters running the rags, today.

And if you ever did decide to persue 'em, just remember one thing as you do, OK?
The shiesters working for you, unless they're doing their work *gratis*?
Work by the hour & man-oh-man at $300+ per hour?

...billing hours always stack up fast. ;^)

457 posted on 04/10/2004 9:02:25 AM PDT by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Just a thought but... Why can't we all become journalists and reporters? I mean hell, we have thousands of Freepers all over the place and a lot of those can deploy on a moments notice. (I know, a lot of us work, unlike the RATS) But..if we can forge an army of our own to get the SAME information that the others are getting, why not?

Then we won't need their friggin permission to print their leftist/socialists/propogandists views.

But that's just me....


458 posted on 04/10/2004 9:11:00 AM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: international american
"I think more and more people are coming to realize that the courts are rewriting law, or tossing the law aside, which amouts to the same thing."

I pray to God you're right, i-a; but, I'm not as *confident* as you.

The general population's been so woefully dumbed-down on subjects like "history," "civics," & how our Republic's government works the elites can pull shit on the dopes all day long & they'll never know & as long as the dopes rely on the Liberal-Socialist quislings in the lamestream I see little -- if any -- hope of things ever getting better.

Between acadamia, law, & the mediots they've a virtual stranglehold on each & every one of us, whether we know it or don't matters not.
Fact is, they do.

"The left is much more cunning than we are...also they are devoid of ethics or honor."

~& that's a fact, jack.

Takes only a minimal amount of research to understand what lengths Uncle Joe Stalin -- & Ho Chi Men, Pol Pot et al ad infinitum -- did to secure their power to understand what lies in store for us in our [very near] future, should these maniacs ever succeed with their scheme of taking over.
That's for damned sure.

"Just watch this election for true ugliness!!"

Yea, sure.

...if my stomach can take it.

459 posted on 04/10/2004 11:11:44 AM PDT by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I didn't see AOL's name on your list but I have to assume they are one of the complainers. Since they are so far left of center and socialist bound. I use their poll vault to post good conservative news, I know they just hate it and surely must be one of the rabid liberal complainers. I do post alot of Free Republic News on there, but I always, always include the name and source from which it came...Seems they don't mind the radical posts of the rabid propaganda spewers, so A few of us conservatives do our best to slap these idiots in the face with truth and realism. Of course this usually evokes screams, knashing of teeth and head spinning from these rabid hate mongers as though they were having an exorcism performed on them...So like the good conservatives we are, we continue to fight the rabid propaganda with truth so all REAL Americans can decide for themselves...
Thanks for all your great info. I really appreciate it...
460 posted on 04/10/2004 12:04:44 PM PDT by HuckleberryMan1 (DO NOT FORGET ABOUT 9-11~~~BUSH/CHENEY/2004)
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