Posted on 04/08/2004 5:53:31 PM PDT by Polycarp IV
Yes, welcome everyone.
But Paul is very explicit in saying taking the Eucharist when one is sinning leads to (spiritual) death. And as a doctor, might I note that I welcome all, but if I only "welcomed" people without pointing out their illness so they could be cured, then I'd be a quack who is only after their money?
There may be a courageous priest here and there who will refuse him communion but if his archbishop is not going to take a stand then that is very serious IMHO. His bishop is as guilty as he is now. We know the bishop has said, "Don't dare come to communion if you are pro-choice." Well what happens when they come anyway is yet ANOTHER act of disobedience and disrespect which the bishop seems willing to put up with. I question if the bishop ever meant business to begin with or he would have just flatly stated. " "If I know that you have made public statements and policy pronouncements that are pro-choice don't dare come to communion in my diocese because you won't be getting it. " They need not name names, just announce their position and carry it out and refuse to answer questions about it other than drying stating church teaching on the matter of abortion. How difficult is that if you have some courage?
If Kerry is elected this is going to be a big problem within the Church mark my words.
There may be a courageous priest here and there who will refuse him communion but if his archbishop is not going to take a stand then that is very serious IMHO. His bishop is as guilty as he is now. We know the bishop has said, "Don't dare come to communion if you are pro-choice." Well what happens when they come anyway is yet ANOTHER act of disobedience and disrespect which the bishop seems willing to put up with. I question if the bishop ever meant business to begin with or he would have just flatly stated. " "If I know that you have made public statements and policy pronouncements that are pro-choice don't dare come to communion in my diocese because you won't be getting it. " They need not name names, just announce their position and carry it out and refuse to answer questions about it other than drying stating church teaching on the matter of abortion. How difficult is that if you have some courage?
If Kerry is elected this is going to be a big problem within the Church mark my words.
This one sure as Hell did...
I thought that was against the Catholic teaching....non Catholics are not to take communion in Catholic churches...
And Catholics are not to take communion in a non-Catholic Church. But I guess that once your OK with infanticide, it's pretty easy to slide on that God stuff...
"As bishops, we have the responsibility to call Americans to conversion, including political leaders, and especially those publicly identified as Catholic. . . .
"Catholic public officials who disregard Church teaching on the inviolability of the human person indirectly collude in the taking of innocent life. . . .
"In all cases, bishops have the duty and pastoral responsibility to continue to challenge those officials on the issue in question and persistently call them to a change of heart."
If only more of our bishops would JUST DO IT!!!
We also provide free graphics for anyone who wants to make their own: graphics.
We have also set up a protest page, just go to our website and click on the Protest link. Good luck!
Well, which is it -- a Catholic church or the Paulist Center? That place leaped with both feet into the worst abuses of the 60s and 70s early! And, as far I know, never looked back --
BlackElk, even your (quite accurate) descriptions of the Paulist Center are not so damning as the fact that John Kerry finds it a congenial place to worship, well, whatever it is he worships. . .
Did any of the Catholics around the thread notice last Sunday that Kerry took communion in a non catholic church?Here are some of the previous threads about this:
I thought that was against the Catholic teaching....non Catholics are not to take communion in Catholic churches... Kerry is CINO ( Catholic in name only)
Thou shalt not flub thy photo op, Sen. Kerry
(Caught taking "communion" in Protestant Church)
Posted by presidio9
On News/Activism 04/08/2004 11:24:10 AM PDT with 58 comments
Boston Herald ^ | Wednesday, April 7, 2004 | David R. GuarinoKerry’s Communion Controversy
Posted by NYer
On News/Activism 04/07/2004 11:30:48 AM PDT with 84 comments
CBS News ^ | April 6, 2004 | David Paul KuhnReuters PHOTO: "ROMAN CATHOLIC" John Kerry takes communion at AME Church
[Is this kosher?]
Posted by RonDog
On Religion 04/04/2004 9:26:17 PM PDT with 193 comments
REUTERS photo (via the Drudge thread) ^ | April 4, 2004 | RonDog
Great to see folks interested in protesting Kerry!From www.catholicsagainstkerry.com/protest.html:
If you want to use it, we have bumperstickers and t-shirts available for protest: merchandiseWe also provide free graphics for anyone who wants to make their own: graphics.
We have also set up a protest page, just go to our website and click on the Protest link.
Good luck!
PROTEST!!!!!!
It is a simple fact, John Kerry is going to continue to use Catholic Churches for Photo Ops. We don't have to like it, and we don't have to make it easy for him. So Protest!!!!!
We will post to this page his schedule, when we know it, on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation. We cannot guarantee that Senator Kerry will attend Mass at any particular place or time. After all, we are not the Associated Press photographers, so Senator Kerry doesn't give us the heads up on when he will be at the communion rail. So, when he will be in your town on Sunday, consider wearing a Catholics Against Kerry T-shirt or bringing a bumper sticker with. Or, make your own sign, either with our art or your own! Bring it with to Mass. If he shows up, use it. If we can tell you where he will be, go there and PROTEST his abuse of the Church for political gain.
How to Protest? Everyone will have their own manner of protest. If you use our materials, we ask that you not disrupt Mass in any way, and that you behave in a professional manner, as did Ms. Porter. Her statement was powerful by its elegance. That said, attack him where it hurts, take away the political benefit he seeks. Can you wear a Catholics Against Kerry T-shirt or bumper sticker (-- leave the car outside ;-) --) behind him in the Communion line, tarnishing the photo op there, should they seek one like this? Can you prepare a sign from our art, and stand outside by the exits? If so, try to use two sided signs, it will increase your odds of getting the sign in the photo.
Whatever you are comfortable doing, please participate! If you would like updates as we get them regarding Senator Kerry's Sunday schedules, please send an email to info@catholicsagainstkerry.com with the word "subscribe" in the subject line.
KERRY SCHEDULE
John Kerry will "probably" attend Easter Sunday services at the Paulist Center:
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, a Catholic whose support of abortion rights has prompted some in the Church hierarchy to say they would deny him Communion, will receive the sacrament if he attends Easter Sunday services at Boston's Paulist Center.
There will most certainly be photographers there, given the campaign's early announcement. Can you attend? The Paulist center is located at:
The Paulist Center
5 Park Street
Boston, MA 02108
Phone 617.742.4460
Fax 617.720.5756A map and driving directions are conveniently provided by the Paulist Center and Expedia.com here. The Mass schedule is:
Easter Sunday April 11 Family Mass 10:00 am Easter Mass 12:00 pm Evening Vespers 7:00 pm Validated parking available at One Beacon Street garage all weekend and after 4 pm weekdays for $4.00. *Child Care provided Validated parking available at One Beacon Street garage all weekend and after 4 pm weekdays for $4.00.
PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU CAN GO, OR IF YOU DID GO!!!!
John Kerry's catechism of convenience:
Hugh Hewitt wonders if bishops will give him a pass
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, April 7, 2004 | Hugh Hewitt
Posted on 04/06/2004 11:01:04 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
If you know a Roman Catholic bishop or priest, please pass this along to him with a request for a response. If they don't mind, ask them to copy me on the response at hhewitt@hughhewitt.com.
John Kerry is the second most visible American right now, and the most visible self-identified Roman Catholic in the country.
The most influential newspaper in the world, the New York Times, reported on Tuesday that Kerry had issued the equivalent of a new catechism for the Roman Catholic Church. Here are the key paragraphs:
Mr. Kerry became combative when told that some conservatives were criticizing him for being a Roman Catholic who supported policies, like abortion and same-sex unions, that are at odds with Catholic teaching."
"Who are they?" he demanded of his questioner. "Name them. Are they the same legislators who vote for the death penalty, which is in contravention of Catholic teaching?"
He [John F'ing Kerry] added: "I'm not a church spokesman.
I'm a legislator running for president.
My oath is to uphold the Constitution of the United States in my public life.
My oath privately between me and God was defined in the Catholic Church by Pius XXIII and Pope Paul VI in the Vatican II......which allows for freedom of conscience for Catholics with respect to these choicesand that is exactly where I am..."
[i.e., being pro-abortion],CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread
O'Malley has said publicly that pro-abort "Catholic" politicians should refrain from Communion.
The Paulists, as an order, are not under his authority the way diocesan priests are. What exactly can O'Malley do? I suppose he could (I'm not sure of the term) revoke their privilege to operate in his archdiocese. But if they have their own building and publicly defy him (as I am virtually certain they would, and they would have the press on their side), then what? He doesn't have police powers.
A Boston Herald columnist, Beverly Beckham, who usually writes fluff pieces about things like her aging dog, had a column recently about the Catholic Church. I thought of posting it for comment, but don't have it any more. The gist of the piece was that there are two Catholic Churches: one is the happy, loving, do-your-own-thing, Breck commercial kind of church ("As long as the young people are happy," in C.S. Lewis' phrase); the other is the mean old nasty Church (that happens to be teaching what the Church has always taught). The summary is in my words, not hers. Guess which side she came down on. The only letter to the editor printed so far was on BB's side. The rot is extensive.
These things should have been nipped in the bud 30 or 40 years but were allowed to fester during all those years (when O'Malley had no authority).
Personally, I would hate to be in O'Malley's position.
The nuns used to tell us in high school that we were very lucky in this country -- so far, but the time could come when we would be called to martyrdom. It seems less and less unlikely as time goes on.
That's my understanding. My wife used to work in Boston right around the corner from them, and that was her impression.
It looks like Kerry found his bedfellows:
Rev. John Ardis, director of the Paulist Center, said the Kerrys had received Communion there and were always welcome to do so. Asked if he had been instructed not to offer Kerry Communion Ardis said: "No. Definitely not. I got a call from them (the archdiocese) an hour ago ... They wanted me to know that the archbishop has not taken a stand and he is free to receive the Eucharist."This is absolutely disastrous for the Church, and for the cause of the safety of unborn children. God help us!
Thanks for the link in #10.
Have you been in the Paulist's Boston bookstore? Is it New Agey, with a bunch of enneagram and dreamcatcher stuff?
It looks like the Paulist Press' "spirituality" section is heavily influenced by Jung. Found some labyrinth stuff too.
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