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Kerry's Excuse (www.catholicsagainstkerry.com)
Catholics Against Kerry ^ | April 6, 2004 | Catholics Against Kerry

Posted on 04/08/2004 3:53:08 PM PDT by www.catholicsagainstkerry.com

Kerry's Excuse (www.catholicsagainstkerry.com)

It would be a grave error, on the other hand, to say that Christ has no authority whatever in civil affairs, since, by virtue of the absolute empire over all creatures committed to him by the Father, all things are in his power.

-- Pope Pius XI, Encyclical "Quas Primas"

 

Its obvious that John Kerry does not vote the Catholic view on many issues.  While it is not the only example, abortion is probably the most glaring one, and the one that most clearly illustrates Senator Kerry's duplicity.  John Kerry's abortion voting record is 100% pro-abortion.  He approves of partial birth abortion, opposes any protections for a fetus in any situation, and has done so since the start of his political career. He claims to be personally against abortion, but he claims to believe he can't legislate religious beliefs.  

Is John Kerry being Honest when he claims to be personally against abortion?  Is he being honest when he claims he strongly believes that one can't legislate religious beliefs?  His history doesn't support those claims.

John Kerry's Excuse:

"There is a third facet of being an American Catholic. To a larger extent than Catholics elsewhere, we have supported and relied upon the constitutional principle of the separation of church and state to guarantee our right to worship and our liberty of conscience. That tradition, strongly advanced by John F. Kennedy in his quest to become our first Catholic president, helped make religious affiliation a nonissue in American politics. It should stay that way." John Kerry, A Call to Service, pp. 23-4.

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"I don't tell church officials what to do, and church officials shouldn't tell American politicians what to do in the context of our public life," Kerry said in an interview with Time

 

John Kerry offers the standard excuse that all pro-abortion catholic politicians offer.  They try to ride President Kennedy's rather tremendous coattails.  They argue that under the separation of Church and state, they cannot impose their religious beliefs through legislation.  Perhaps there are some politicians who truly believe this, we don't know.  We do know that John Kerry does not believe his excuse. His conduct simply does not mesh with his claims.  

 

  1. John Kerry does not Act like a Man Who is Personally Against Abortion:

John Kerry claimed in an interview with the St. Louis Post Dispatch that "he shares the Catholic Church's anti-abortion views as an article of faith. But as a public official, he said, it was not 'appropriate in the United States for a legislator to legislate personal religious beliefs for the rest of the country.'"

His history doesn't support that.  His pro-abortion history doesn't just stop with voting to keep abortion legal.  

Why on earth would a man who is "personally against" abortion be so cozy with a group of abortionists?  Why wouldn't he be willing to see a sign that says a woman was hurt by an abortion?  Why has he NO empathy for this woman?  That isn't pro-choice, its pro-abortion.  It isn't "personally opposed," its ALL IN FAVOR.

  1. John Kerry Claims the Bishops Should Govern the Church, but Stay Out of Politics.  However, He Doesn't Even Wish to Obey the Bishops When They Govern the Church

"I don't tell church officials what to do, and church officials shouldn't tell American politicians what to do in the context of our public life," Kerry said in an interview with Time.

Does he mean it?  No.  John Kerry's Bishop told him:  These politicians should know that if they're not voting correctly on these life issues that they shouldn't dare come to Communion."

Similarly, when he went to St. Louis, Archbishop Raymond Burke told him:  ""I would have to admonish him not to present himself for communion," said Burke. "I might give him a blessing or something," he said. "If his archbishop has told him he should not present himself for communion, he shouldn't. I agree with Archbishop (Sean P.) O'Malley (of Boston.)"

So, does John Kerry let the Bishops govern the Church?  His campaign even admits he should:  

The response from the Kerry Campaign team was unapologetic. Kim Molstre, a Kerry campaign spokeswoman, said Friday, "The archbishop has the right to deny Communion to whoever he wants, but Senator Kerry respectfully disagrees with him on the issue of choice."

What does John Kerry say?  He told Time magazine:

"I certainly intend to take Communion and continue to go to Mass as a Catholic." 

John Kerry's view isn't that Church officials should stay out of Politics.  In his view, they should stay entirely out of his way.  They have no right to instruct him as to anything, even what he does in their churches.   Kerry will say the church should stay out of politics even as he conducts his politics inside a church. 

However, if they happen to agree with him, then they should instruct his political opponents, which brings us to section 3:

  1.  John Kerry Uses Church Teachings and Bishops to Instruct Politicians when it Suits Him.

Last year Senator Kerry made headlines by slamming a Church document that instructed politicians on Gay Marriage issues.  Problem is, he had previously used Church documents to argue in favor of Gay Rights.  What was the difference?  Apparently the Church can instruct politicians if Senator Kerry approves of it first!

First, the article on Senator Kerry's objection to the Church:

Kerry raps Pope: Senator fuming over gay marriage order

By David R. Guarino Saturday, August 2, 2003

Bluntly telling the Vatican to stay out of American politics, U.S. Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday said Pope John Paul II ``crossed the line'' by instructing pols to block legalization of gay marriage.

A fuming Kerry, taking on his own Catholic Church in the midst of a campaign for president, said Rome should have more respect for America's long-held separation of church and state.

``It is important not to have the church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in this country,'' Kerry said. ``President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today.''

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Catholics were stunned at the broadside from Kerry, saying he's sure to draw the ire of some 65 million voting Catholics.

``What one often calls separation of church and state guarantees the religion the right to express its convictions,'' said Monsignor Francis Maniscalco of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. ``To object to religious people's deep moral convictions . . . would also create a problem because it would also (fail to) recognize something the First Amendment guarantees.'' Former Vatican Ambassador Raymond Flynn said Kerry was just wrong. ``I don't see it as crossing any line at all,'' Flynn said. ``Too many Catholic politicians want to have it both ways, they want the Catholic vote but then they go ahead and ignore Catholic teaching.''

Whatever one thinks of Kerry's claim that the Church should stay out of Politics, the fact is that Senator Kerry does not believe it.  On the very issue of homosexuality, Senator Kerry has previously tried to use Catholic clergy to instruct politicians:

When Kerry sponsored the federal Gay & Lesbian Civil Rights Bill in the 1980s, he noted that the "National Federation of Priests' Councils" supported the "inclusion of the term 'sexual orientation' in existing civil rights laws."

Similarly, in the 1980s Senator Kerry inserted into the Congressional Record the American Catholic bishops'  pastoral letter against Reaganomics. Kerry called the U.S. bishops' pastoral letter on the economy "an important document which should be read by Catholics and non-Catholics alike."

It's clear.  It isn't Church instruction that Kerry objects to.  It's when the Church tries to instruct Kerry, that Kerry objects.  His "deep-seated" belief against the church instructing politicians is just political opportunism.

So long as they Kow-Tow to his beliefs, John Kerry is all for involving bishops and priests in political debates.  Welcome to the Gospel according to John Kerry.

  1. John Kerry Does Not Mean it When He Claims Religious Affiliation Should Be a Non-Issue

Not only does Senator Kerry ask the Bishops to instruct politicians when it suits him, he himself opens up the Bible.  He uses it to instruct his fellow politicians about Biblical tenants from the pulpit!!!  While attending a Baptist Church in St. Louis, Kerry took what was widely understood as a jab at President Bush from the lectern:

Kerry, D-Mass., departed from his prepared text when he took to the lectern. He praised the worshippers: "Thank you for telling the truth here. And as the Bible also tells us, the truth shall set you free."

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"The Scriptures say, 'What does it profit my brother if someone says he has faith, but does not have works,'" Kerry continued. "When we look at what is happening in America today, 'Where are the works?' For it is also written, 'The doers of the word are no hearers only.'"

So John Kerry has no hesitation to use personal religious beliefs to score political points, including pushing Christian Scripture into the political debate.  What happened to his so called belief that you can't push personal faith in politics?  That religious affiliation should stay a "nonissue" in American politics?  What happened?  He didn't mean it when he said it. 

Kerry:  "What I believe personally as a Catholic as an article of faith is an article of faith. And if it's not shared by a Jew or an Episcopalian or a Muslim or an agnostic or an atheist or someone else, it's not appropriate in the United States for a legislator to legislate your personal religious belief for the rest of the country."  

Senator Kerry is well aware that the Jews and Muslims don't share Christian Scriptures, including the verse he read, James 2:14?  One should note that this very verse is at the center of a fundamental theological dispute between Catholics and Protestants.

But somehow John Kerry wants to interject it into the political debate.

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John Kerry doesn't mean it when he says he is personally opposed to abortion.

He doesn't mean it when he says the clergy should stay out of Politics.

He doesn't mean it when he says that religious affiliation should be a non-issue in American politics.

 

What he means is that he is personally opposed to being judged a hypocrite due to abortion

What he means is that clergy should stay out of politics IF they disagree with him.

What he means is that Catholics should shut up, ignore their faith, and vote for him because of his religious affiliation.

We disagree.

Vote Catholic, Not Kerry

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1 posted on 04/08/2004 3:53:09 PM PDT by www.catholicsagainstkerry.com
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2 posted on 04/08/2004 3:55:03 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
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3 posted on 04/08/2004 3:57:48 PM PDT by counterpunch (<-CLICK HERE for my CARTOONS)
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bump!
4 posted on 04/08/2004 4:01:54 PM PDT by bigpete_53
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To: www.catholicsagainstkerry.com
Great website.

Kerry is legislating mortal sin.

Catholics need to know this.
5 posted on 04/08/2004 4:42:35 PM PDT by Republic If You Can Keep It (John Kerry once dreamed he was giving a speech. Then he woke up......and he was!)
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To: www.catholicsagainstkerry.com
First off, welcome to Free Republic!

Secondly, I plan to direct my family and friends to your website, so that they can read it, and then pass it along to others they know!

John Kerry is what I like to call a cafeteria Catholic. He likes to pick and choose which beliefs he will support and follow. I wish he would be officially excommunicated so that he couldn't keep trying to use his purported Catholicism as a means of winning votes.
6 posted on 04/08/2004 4:42:36 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: www.catholicsagainstkerry.com
Great website.

Kerry is legislating mortal sin.

Catholics need to know this.
7 posted on 04/08/2004 4:43:03 PM PDT by Republic If You Can Keep It (John Kerry once dreamed he was giving a speech. Then he woke up......and he was!)
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To: www.catholicsagainstkerry.com; NYer; Salvation; Canticle_of_Deborah; sandyeggo; american colleen; ..
Defenders of the Faith Ping!!!

Vote Catholic, Not Kerry!
8 posted on 04/08/2004 4:53:29 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: www.catholicsagainstkerry.com
Great job! I am really hoping that the majority of Democrats that have voted Dem in the past, will finally see the light and realize that a vote for Kerry is a vote against everything that is Godly and Good. The Democrat platform is nothing short of a terrorist attack against our country and our constitution.
10 posted on 04/08/2004 5:11:09 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: counterpunch
HAHAHAHA Bump
11 posted on 04/08/2004 5:13:21 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Rush 30th Anniversary Tour Tickets On Sale Now!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
This "Irish" "Catholic" is neither;

His grandfather chose the name Kerry by opening to a map of Ireland, closing his eyes, and pointing. I doubt he would be known to us today if his hand had slipped to "Killybegs" or even better, "Loughrear"...

Upon arriving in America, the Kerry family promptly converted to Catholicism. Gramps might have been unpleasantly surprised to see John Flippin partaking of communion in the Baptist church in Roxbury on Palm Sunday. Anybody with front pew seats will be in for a show this Sunday, when he must perform his Easter Duty in a Catholic Church. "Gotta go Bishop shoppin, Lovey..."
12 posted on 04/08/2004 5:15:35 PM PDT by bitt (a person of integrity would acept the consequences.)
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Devastating article! There are many so-called Catholic politicians whose name could be substituted for Kerrys'. Let's pray that the bishops develop some cojones and start going after these hypocrites. Personally, I'd like to see a whole bunch of them excommunicated.
P.S. One minor quibble:'Biblical tenants' should be 'Biblical tenets'
13 posted on 04/08/2004 5:34:32 PM PDT by thatsmrfoster2u (Wake me up early, be good to my dogs, and teach my children to pray)
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Gramps might have been unpleasantly surprised to see John Flippin partaking of communion in the Baptist church in Roxbury on Palm Sunday.

I heard he had gone to the Baptist church for Sunday, but I had not heard that he took communion. I thought we aren't allowed to take theirs, nor they ours. What could he have been thinking? Photo op vs. matter of faith? Why doesn't he just admit that he is Protestant? His actions absolutely show it.

14 posted on 04/08/2004 6:45:03 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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What kind of Catholic goes to a Baptist church for Palm Sunday services? Someone who is afraid of being turned away from the Communion rail.
15 posted on 04/08/2004 6:48:51 PM PDT by ladyjane
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Great website. You may be a small group, but this is a wonderful place to spread the word. It is time us REAL Roman Catholics stood up to SINator Kerry!
16 posted on 04/08/2004 8:32:02 PM PDT by Gerish (Do not be fearful. God is with you.)
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To: Gerish; ladyjane; Ohioan from Florida; thatsmrfoster2u; bitt; My Favorite Headache; ...
Thanks to all of you for the bumps! If you have any other suggestions, love to hear them. We take all nitpicks, suggestions, comments, etc. These articles need to be trimmed a bit, and we are always willing to hear suggestions as to focus as well.

We would also appreciate anyone who has time to distribute our link to interested Catholics, Catholic websites, blogs, political sites, etc. The more we get out there, the more good we can do.

Also, if anyone wants to protest Kerry in Boston this Sunday, let us know. Thanks again for all the help.
17 posted on 04/08/2004 10:48:53 PM PDT by www.catholicsagainstkerry.com
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Several bumps to screen names I see on other threads. I apologize if you've already been to this thread. Please take a look at the website and spread word around if you have time,

Thanks

www.catholicsagainstkerry.com

18 posted on 04/09/2004 9:42:42 AM PDT by www.catholicsagainstkerry.com
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It isn't "personally opposed," its ALL IN FAVOR.

This is very well done. Clear, concise, and to the point.

19 posted on 04/09/2004 10:28:32 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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Thanks for the PING and welcome to FR!
We are doing all we can to help defeat the apostate kerry.
john kerry is an absolute disgrace and should have been publicly excommunicated decades ago.

Please see: You Wouldn't Even Ask (Abortion and Kerry)http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1108917/posts
20 posted on 04/09/2004 9:10:04 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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