Jeb: Give illegals driver's licenses

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, April 7, 2004

[af_vet_rr]

Ordinary Republicans need to wake up to their leaders true intentions before it's too late for this great nation

Their intentions are to win elections. They know we won't vote against them, so it's the smart thing to do, they are not only getting the GOP vote, but they are picking up votes from the left. It's very smart to subvert the left's agenda and make it your own, when it comes to winning elections.

No, I don't agree with it, but most Republicans are uncomfortable voting other Republicans out of office, or going to a third party.

[m18436572]

bttt

[DumpsterDiver]

My mind still just boggles at the thought that the debate goes further than the recognition that these people are here illegally.

I couldn't agree with you more. Deport them and end these ridiculous "debates".

[lewislynn]

It won't be very fun. The labor unions of Mexico aren't real funny

I guess the Bush's of the world never heard of Ceasar Chavez.

If Mexican labor unions is what the pinheads of the GOP want, then Mexican labor unions is what they'll get...Like I said, they better be careful what they wish for.

[longtermmemmory]

This is the rules regarding licencing of non-us citizens.
You will note the different rule for canadians.
Most likely due to the high volume of seaso

Obtaining Your Florida
Driver's License or Identification Card

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• United States Citizen
• Original Driver License or Identification Card
• U.S.Citizens With Out-of-State Licenses
• Renewals, Duplicates or Replacements
• Name Change

  Non-United States Citizens

• Original Driver License or Identification Card
• Canadian Citizens
• Renewals, Duplicates or Replacements
• Name Change
• Non-United States Citizen Issuance Offices

  General Information for Everyone

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United States Citizens

Florida law requires identification, proof of date of birth and social security number (if issued) from all customers before a driver license or identification card can be issued. Each U.S. citizen who applies for an original driver license or identification card must submit:

One of the following (3) documents:

1. Original or certified United States birth certificate, including territories and District of Columbia; or
2. Valid United States passport; or
3. Certificate of Naturalization
4. Effective April 10, 2002, United States Military ID cards with an officer rank will be accepted as proof of citizenship only; however, not as proof of primary identification.
5. NOTE: Proof of citizenship or legal presence may be required for renewal, duplicate or replacement licenses. Please come prepared to present one of the above identification documents as proof of citizenship or legal presence.

And a secondary document, which substantiates the primary document, is required. Document may include, but is not limited to, the original or certified copy of one of the following:

1. School record stating date of birth, which must contain the registrar’s signature.
2. Transcript of the birth record filed with a public officer charged with the duty of recording certificates.
3. Baptism certificate, which shows date of birth and the place of baptism.
4. An insurance policy on the customer’s life which has been in force for at least two years and has the month, day and year of birth.
5. United States military or military dependent identification card.
   • Effective April 10, 2002, United States Military ID cards with an officer rank will be accepted as proof of citizenship only; however, not as proof of primary identification.
6. Florida or out-of-state driver license, valid or expired.
7. Florida license record or identification card record.
8. Selective Service Registration (Draft Card).
9. Florida Vehicle Registration certificate (HSMV 83399, owner’s copy) obtained from the tax collector’s office where the customer’s vehicle was registered, Florida, or out-of-state registration certificate, if name and date of birth are shown.
10. Florida and out-of-state non-driver identification cards (state issued).
11. Receipt copy of your last Florida driver license issuance.
12. Immigration form I-571.
13. Federal form DD-214 (military record).
14. Marriage certificate.
15. Court order, which includes legal name.
16. A Florida voter registration card, which was issued at least 3 months previously.
17. Personal identification by an examiner or by a person well known to the examiner.
18. Social Security Card.
19. Family bible record or birth announcement in baby book.
20. Parent consent form of minor.
21. Out-of-country driver license or identification card, government issued

United States Citizens With Out-of-State Licenses

Any person who holds a license or identification card from the District of Columbia, United States Territories or one of our 50 states (with the exception of those listed below) may present his/her license or ID card as primary identification document. An approved secondary identification document is also required. A social security number, if issued, MUST be included on the application.

Important Note: Driver licenses from the following states

Alaska Connecticut Hawaii Illinois Indiana

Iowa Michigan Minnesota Nebraska New Jersey

North Carolina Oregon Rhode Island Tennessee Texas

Utah Vermont Virginia Washington Wisconsin

are acceptable as secondary identification and to reciprocate driving privileges, and must be accompanied by one of the following:

1. Original or certified United States birth certificate (including territories and District of Columbia)
2. Valid United States passport (not expired)
3. Certificate of Naturalization.
4. Effective April 10, 2002, United States Military ID cards with an officer rank will be accepted as proof of citizenship only; however, not as proof of primary identification.

Name Change for United States Citizens

If you have legally changed your name by marriage or court order, you must submit the original or a certified copy of your marriage certificate or court order. No photocopies will be accepted unless certified by the issuing authority.

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Non-United States Citizens

Original Driver License or Identification Card Florida law requires identification, proof of date of birth and social security number (if issued) from all customers before a driver license or identification card can be issued.

Immigrants
Each immigrant who applies for an original driver license or identification card must submit:

1. Alien Registration receipt card, (Green card, Form I-151 or I-551); or
2. I-551 stamp in passport or on I-94; or
3. Immigration Judges Order, with the customer's A-number, granting asylum; or
4. I-797, with the customer's A-number, stating the customer has been granted asylum; or
5. I-797 or another form from the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, with the customer's A-number, stating the customer's application for Refugee status is approved; or

Non-Immigrants

Each non-immigrant who applies for an original driver license or identification card must submit:

1. Employment authorization card issued by the United States Department of Justice (Form I688B or I-766); or
2. Proof of nonimmigrant classification provided by United States Department of Justice (Form I-94, not expired, with required supporting attachment(s). If in doubt regarding required documents, please bring all of your INS documentation with you.). I-94s must be accompanied by a Passport. Certain classifications require additional documentation. Some examples are:
   • F-1 and M-1 classification must also be accompanied by an I-20.
   • I J-1 or J-2 designation must be accompanied by an IAP-66.
   • Refugee, asylee and parolee classifications must be accompanied by additional documentation.
     
     

The following documents will only be accepted with a supporting document, including but not limited to a Passport, Florida Driver License or Identification Card, Driver License from any other state, Employment Authorization Card, Employer Identification, Identification from home country, Identification from school or college, Social Security Card or other INS document.

3. I-571 Travel Document/Refugee Travel Permit
4. I-512 Parole Letter Accepted
5. IJO- Asylum or Cancellation of Removal - Immigration Judges Order granting Asylum or Cancellation of Removal.
   • All required and supporting documents MUST be original or certified.
   • Documents must be valid for more than 30 days from the date of issuance.
   • Non-U.S. citizens applying for an original driver license will be issued a 30-day, no photo, paper temporary permit and a receipt. Non-U.S. citizens applying for an identification card will be issued a receipt.
   • All records are transmitted to our database in Tallahassee, where the information will be examined and run against FDLE, FBI and INS databases.
   • Upon identity and legal status verification, a driver license or identification card will be issued within 30 days from Tallahassee, mailed to the address on the driver record. The license or identification card will be issued for the period of time specified on the INS document.
   • If a problem is detected, a denial of issuance letter will be mailed to the customer.

Canadian Citizens

Under federal law, Canadian citizens are non-immigrants and are allowed to stay in the U.S. without obtaining INS documentation. Canadians without INS documents must provide proof of Canadian citizenship to be issued a Florida driver license or identification card by presenting two of the following documents:

1. Canadian passport
2. Canadian driver license
3. Original or certified Canadian birth certificate

4. Canadian Naturalization Certificate

All Canadian citizens will be issued an original or renewal driver license for two calendar years from the date of issue.

If you are not a Canadian citizen and have a Canadian driver license, you are required to provide the same proof of legal presence as any other non-U.S. citizen.

Renewals, Duplicates or Replacements for Non-United States Citizens

• Any immigrant holding a driver license or identification card who needs a renewal, duplicate or replacement driver license or identification card must apply in person at a driver license office at least one time after March 1, 2002, and re-present his/her identification documents required by Florida law.
• Any non-immigrant holding a driver license or identification card who needs a renewal, duplicate, or replacement driver license or identification card must apply in person at a driver license office and present identification and legal presence documents.
• If you do not have the required documents showing legal presence, your driver license or identification card will be retained and a receipt issued. If you have an unexpired driver license, you will be issued a 30-day temporary permit. When you return with the required documentation, you will be processed for a renewal, duplicate or replacement license and the expiration date will be changed to the expiration date on your INS document.

Name Change for Non-United States Citizens

• If you have legally changed your name by marriage or court order, you must have your name changed on your CIS documents. A receipt from CIS indicating form I-90 has been filed for a name change is acceptable for a name change on your driver license or identification card.
• Canadian Citizens: If you have legally changed your name by marriage or court order, you must have your name changed on your Canadian license, and/or passport before applying for a name change on your driver license or identification card.

 

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nal canadian residents.

[Joe Hadenuf]

And people try to tell me that Dubya doesn't want to give amnesty to the illegals. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Duped again.

I hate being right all the time.

Some of them are on another thread now, trying to "absorb" this. LOL!

I've never seen so many Republicans turn into liberal, open border socailist so fast in all my life.

It's all very disturbing.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I guess the Bush's of the world never heard of Ceasar Chavez. If Mexican labor unions is what the pinheads of the GOP want, then Mexican labor unions is what they'll get...Like I said, they better be careful what they wish for.

There going to get it alright.

[Euro-American Scum]

It may be true that Jeb wants to help his brother win Florida but Illegal means these people are law breakers and should be booted out of the country. Not rewarded with any legal status such free pass to drive.

But the Bushes don't see it that way. They see potential voters. They're trying to out-Lib the Libs at their own game. It may work. Or it may blow up in their faces. Illegals will, no doubt, take this free pass. But they'll still vote overwhelmingly for the Dems.

Makes you wonder what the Bush campaign was thinking in the first place.

[dalebert]

Yes, it does make you wonder what the Bush camp is thinking. Of course it still remains to be seen how many illegals will sign up for such a program. Everyone I know is against this and very concerned about the illegal problem.I know hispanics who hate illegals and call them names but I also know hispanics that think illegals have a right to be here and don't recognize our border as legal.

[Euro-American Scum]

I know hispanics who hate illegals and call them names but I also know hispanics that think illegals have a right to be here and don't recognize our border as legal.

I'm seeing a similar version of this in California. Legal hispanic immigrants -- especially those who stayed the course and became naturalized citizens -- are furious about this. And I mean teeth-spitting mad.

Bush may pick up some of the illegal vote, but he's going to lose a good portion of the naturalized, Mexican-born U.S. citizens' vote. They're heavily conservative out here, and mad as hell about this. It probably won't make any difference, considering how heavily pro-Kerry this state is, but Bush can't afford to be alienating anyone if the race figures to be as close as the polls indicate.

[dalebert]

To Bush Camp: Check out FR.... I think Bush could take Cali if he went about it the right way. If nothing else an effort to take Cali would make the Dems spend a lot of their capital and deplete their war chest.

[Euro-American Scum]

To Bush Camp: Check out FR.... I think Bush could take Cali if he went about it the right way. If nothing else an effort to take Cali would make the Dems spend a lot of their capital and deplete their war chest.

It would also deplete the GOP campaign funds as well. Bush ran a smart campaign the last time out, confining his activites, and spending his money where he knew it would do the most good.

Bush proved he could win without California or New York -- although I daresay he wouldn't want to do it in quite the same way this time. But he absolutely needs Texas, the South, Ohio or Michigan, and he absolutely has to have Florida.

I doubt we'll see GWB make so much as one trip to California. It will be swimming upstream all the way and just not worth his time or effort. He'll send Condi Rice or some low-level flunkie and that will be all.

[chickens]

Okay -- it's a big country. Somebody's got to mow it. But nobody can insure (without going broke) an under, under class of lawn-mowing desperadoes, who just want their share of the "American dream." This immigration nightmare, and that's all it it, has to be taken seriously. Americans are hospitable people, but as far as I'm concerned, these yahoos have worn out their welcome. Go home. Shoo. Vamanos.

[dalebert]

You don't think he will even make an appearance with Arnie?

[dagnabbit]

What the h-ll is it with these Bushes? You compare them to the scum that is the Democratic party, and you almost start to like them... but then they do stuff like this and you realize they're just the lesser of two evils.

[Euro-American Scum]

You don't think he will even make an appearance with Arnie?

Let me put it this way. I'd be surprised. Bush didn't do all that much to get Ahnold elected. I really think he's already written off California and doesn't care what goes on out here.

Too bad, really. Bill Jones could use a boost, considering he'll probably fall prey to the late-season Boxer hit piece in the media she makes a habit of dropping. Just ask Matt Fond and Bruce Herschenson.

[hedgetrimmer]

Jeb is very pro Mexican

he is also very pro-FTAA and has lobbied to make Miami the capitol for the FTAA. The FTAA melds north and south America into a no borders western hemispheric economic region. Maybe his family thinks they will get headway with PMEX once the FTAA is signed. He certainly isn't thinking about the harm to our sovereignty, culture and ecomonic stability it will cause.

[hedgetrimmer]

They are not pandering to the illegals per se. They are giving away parts of our sovereignty per the summit of Americas agreement that must be met before Mexico and other countries will sign the FTAA. You are looking at things at an american political level which is too low level for understanding. Bump the idea up to the international hemispheric level and it makes perfect sense.

Bush: sign the FTAA.

Fox: I will but first you have to let my people go in and out of your country at will, lower the rates your country charges for sending remittances home, and give them social security so they can retire here in Mexico in comfort.

Bush: OK.

Bush to the American people: We'll give the illegals here doing the jobs that no american wants, amnesty.

Karen Hughes to O'reilly: We can't enforce the border like the constitution says we must, -- employers are hiring them.

Jeb Bush: They are here anyway, give them licenses.

Don't be fooled. The license issue and everything else is a giveaway to a foreign country (Mexico) in return for their signature on a treaty, the FTAA. The white house wants it so bad, they are willing to risk all to get it.

[hedgetrimmer]

What is it about ILLEGAL ALIENS that the Bush Boys don't understand?

They understand something most of us don't get yet.

The are not illegal aliens, they are bargaining chips in the great game of the western hemisphere, the FTAA.

The FTAA will open trade, reconstitute government at a hemispheric level and maybe open some of those oil fields that Mexico cannot productively harness.So the illegals aren't really the point after all, they are just one of the bargaining chips in a very high level deal that cuts Americans completely out of the discussion.

[DustyMoment]

Everything in your response is the textbook definition of pandering. The problem, whether it is quid pro quo for FTAA or not, is that the Bushes are nullifying the sovereign US borders AND ignoring the Constitution in order to PANDER to ILLEGAL ALIENS. PANDER and ILLEGAL ALIENS are operative terms in this discussion.

Karen Hughes' comments are stupid and idiotic. She is correct only to the extent that we can't protect the borders when there is no will to do so.

The fact is that the very people they are seeking to protect, the ILLEGAL ALIENS, DO NOT BELONG in this country and a MAJORITY of the American voters have repeatedly indicated that they want the illegal alien problem resolved. Giving them US documentation, such as driver's licenses, is NOT going in the direction that a bipartisan majority of voters have said they want the government to go.

In essence, Bush is NOT leading the US on this issue, instead, he is allowing Fox to lead him. IMO, we could cut Fox, Mexico AND the illegals loose and be the richer for it. I don't have a problem with immigration by ANY group, but I want immigrants to the US to do it LEGALLY and respect our laws and institutions. Pandering to them with US documentation DOES NOT achieve ANY goal that the voters have established on this issue.