How Richard Clarke concocted the TWA 800 'exit strategy' ... and why

WorldNetDaily ^ | 4/05/04

[MamaLucci]

Why is W so reluctant to release Clintonian papers to reveal the truth of what happened? Seems to me it would be a way to insure no democrats in power for decades.

MAD

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

ATC operators can suppress skin tracks on their displays if they want. All tracks and "primitives" are recorded and can be played back later, like on CNN. (An FAA "primitive" is what the Navy calls a "contact", a set of radar echoes (typically 16-120) from a single scan that pass a series of tests to designed to reject noise and short lived clutter.) If a primitive doesn't correlate with something on the next scan, it is rejected.

On radar I've worked on, primitives are never shown on an ATC display. (They are available on a maintenance display, along with Canada Geese or clutter from power lines.)

ATC radar that I've worked on will not associate two primitives, - i.e., start a track - on any target moving faster than 600 NM/HR. ATC primary radar in the US only track in two dimensions, range and angle, the only source of altitude information is in the secondary radar (transponder) replies.

[ml/nj]

"[TWA 800] was at 15,000 feet," he reportedly told O'Neill – who died at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 and can no longer correct the record. "No Stinger or any other missile like it can go that high." One would think that on so sensitive and contentious a point, Clarke would have made an effort to get the altitude of TWA 800 right or even consistently wrong. He does neither. The real altitude is not 15,000 feet or 17,000 feet, but 13,800 feet – an altitude at which the Stinger could be effective. In a book of this importance, such mistakes and omissions shock the knowing reader.

Sanders continues to ignore the fact that it is not where the plane was, but where it was expected to be, that would be relevant to someone with a Stinger. Normally planes departing JFK for Europe are level at 19000 feet when they pass by the Hamptons. No one smart enough to have a Stinger would be stupid enough to wait someplace where his target would normally be beyond his reach.

More at TWA 800 "It wasn't terrorists. It couldn't have been."

ML/NJ

[Alamo-Girl]

Oops, the correct link for TWA800 Freeper research on the Downside Legacy:

TWA800

[coloradan]

Sanders continues to ignore the fact that it is not where the plane was, but where it was expected to be, that would be relevant to someone with a Stinger.

Sanders ignores nothing. Clarke lied two different times with two different lies about what the altitude of the craft was. Which is it? Was the craft at 15,000 or 17,000?

Normally planes departing JFK for Europe are level at 19000 feet when they pass by the Hamptons.

Why didn't he use that number twice, instead of two other ones once each, both of which conflict with the truth?

No one smart enough to have a Stinger would be stupid enough to wait someplace where his target would normally be beyond his reach.

And you know this how?

[ml/nj]

And you know this how?

And I know what how? That people with guns that have a range of 200 yards don't fire them across a river 250 yards wide? Or that the plane normally would have been at 19000 feet?

ML/NJ

[coloradan]

Some terrorists are given, or find, a SAM and decide, or are sent, to NY to shoot a plane down. How do you know that any such person would necessarily know the normal flight altitude of passenger airliners at a given place?

[Quilla]

Sen. John F'n Kerry certainly believed TWA Flight 800 was an act of terror, yet he did nothing. In fact, I believe the ol' boy has consistantly voted to drastically cut intelligence spending.

In the last few weeks several political insiders have forgotten themselves and referred to TWA Flight 800, the airliner, which exploded in July of 1996 just east of New York City, as a terrorist incident. But only one has done it twice.

That person is Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts. Appearing on "Larry King Live" on Sept. 11 of this year, Kerry suggested that TWA Flight 800 was brought down by a terrorist act.

The second admission took place on Sept. 24 on "Hardball" with Chris Matthews. On this occasion, Kerry casually recited a number of terrorist attacks against the United States, among them TWA "Flight 800." Like Larry King before him, Chris Matthews either did not catch the remark or chose to let it pass.

Source

[ml/nj]

How do you know that any such person would necessarily know the normal flight altitude of passenger airliners at a given place?

Because I don't think these people are nearly as stupid as you apparently do. If you intend to shot down a plane it's sort of advisable to be somewhere near the route of the plane. There's a reason someone wanting to down a Europe bound JFK departure wouldn't wait in New Haven or Nantucket, and it's the same reason they wouldn't wait near the Hamptons.

ML/NJ

[coloradan]

Interesting. You think I think the terrorists are stupid, although they might have been misinformed and/or lucky, and yet you don't think Clarke knew what the altitude the plane was actually at, despite being the White House point of contact in the most expensive aircraft aviation disaster investigation in history.

I don't think Clarke is as forgetful, stupid, or misinformed as you apparently do.

[ml/nj]

Interesting. You think I think the terrorists are stupid, although they might have been misinformed and/or lucky, and yet you don't think Clarke knew what the altitude the plane was actually at

If you believe in that sort of luck, I'm wasting my time.

If you look at where the 17000 number comes from, it seems it might come from some meeting at the White House 30 minutes after the plane went down. At that time I doubt anyone really knew the plane was at 13800. I'm not sure where the 15000 figure comes from. The article makes it seem like hearsay from a dead man.

In all the talk about the altitude Sanders (and you) miss the most significant thing that was reported: There was a meeting at the White House 30 minutes after the plane went down. Has the there ever been another meeting at the White House about a plane crash? Why was this night different from all other nights?

Sanders says other things that make me wonder about him.

Within weeks of the crash, the FBI would interview more than 700 eyewitnesses – 270 of whom saw lights streaking upwards towards the plane. Although they were not allowed near the best witnesses,

The FBI wasn't allowed near the best witnesses. Really? Where did this idea come from? I spent over an hour speaking face to face about that night with one of the "best witnesses," Eastwind Pilot David McClaine. He was interviewd by the FBI the day after the crash.

Sanders reports on TWA800 unfortunately strike me as damaged goods.

ML/NJ

[NEPA]

On Aug. 22, Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick summoned the FBI's Jim Kallstrom to Washington for a come to Jesus meeting.

I find this interesting considering Gorelick's current position on the Sep 11 Committee. Are she and Clarke in cahoots with each other in covering for the Clintons? Or is that a dumb question to even ask?

[Libertarianize the GOP]

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[onyx]

ALOHA RONNIE has always asked:

.."WHY did TWA Flight 800 just have to go down the very night before CRAIG LIVINGSTONE was to testify on National TV, under oath before the U.S. Senate, that it was HILLARY who hired him as White House Security Chief to get FBI Files on Congressional Republicans...

...or protect her instead by pleading the 5th..?

.."Before this Jetliner Crash CBS Hourly Radio News had been telling America all day long that all eyes of the Nation were going to be focused on their TV Screens at 9:00 AM Washington, D.C. Time the next morning to see just what CRAIG LIVINGSTONE had to say.

.."Instead the next day Congress shut everything down out of respect for the lives lost in this Jetliner Crash ...with flaming wreckage floating on the surface of the Atlantic replacing CRAIG LIVINGSTONE on our TV Screens.




I don't remember this.
I am grateful you have.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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Thank you for your support, onyx.

I've been posting what I saw immediately with the Downing of TWA Flight 800 ever since it happened.

Isn't it interesting how the facts about this case being interfered with by the CLINTON White House from the beginning finally seem to coming around..?

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[onyx]

Isn't it interesting how the facts about this case being interfered with by the CLINTON White House from the beginning finally seem to coming around..?




I run from tinfoil issues, but
this is looking awfully interesting.

[UnChained]

"what else; Oklahoma??"

Yes, Oklahoma too.

Is pretty well provable. Beware though, since there is a lot of over the top disinformation that's been created to cloud the truth there also.

[stboz]

Remember the C-5A that took a missle hit a few months ago? Where was it struck? It was hit in one of its engines. Stinger is a heat-seeker.

Whatever hit TWA800 was not a Stinger.

[ladyinred]

This article stole the thunder from Clinton's election-driven approval of welfare reform in that same day's paper and threatened to undermine the peace and prosperity message of next week's Democratic convention.

Well there you go. There are also other reasons Clinton didn't want this out. This book btw is a fantastic read, and I highly recommend it. Don't say tin foil hat until you read it, and remember that on 911 George Steffawhathisface blurted out on air that is was a terrorist attack. (flight 800)

For anyone wanting to understand some of the events leading up to 911 this book will help you a lot. (And it isn't President Bush's fault!)

[Doc On The Bay]

UH--Sorry!-- Since WHEN are the "Islamic Jerkweeds" Sophisticated enough to understand the "Limits of" a "Stinger??"

Furthermore, WHO SAYS they had a "Stinger??--They Could have had a "ManPad;", a missle of FAR GREATER range than a "Stinger!!"

MOST "Rational Human Investigators" AGREE that Flt800 was destroyed by a Missle.

"Clinton-Era Explanations" of Flt800 were an OBVIOUS "Coverup!"

If Mr "Clarke" was involved in that EGREGIOUS COVERUP, His "Credibility" is UTTERLY LOST!!

Despite Numerous Attempts to "Portray" the FLT800 Disaster as an "Accident,"

The "American People" have seen TOO MUCH EVIDENCE that "Fl800" was a "Terrorist Event!!"

& There has been TOO MUCH EFFORT to Convince Us that "We Are Stupid!"

The "Clinton-Era Politicians" seem to be UTTERLY INCAPABLE of Understanding that "Americans" are QUITE CAPABLE of understanding Factual Information, & We are Quite Capable of Discerning Fact from Fiction!!

Doc