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Kerry can't recall being at '71 parley (Boston Globe tackles assassin plot - new info)
Boston Globe ^
| April 1st, 2004
| Michael Kranish
Posted on 03/31/2004 10:56:14 PM PST by Sabertooth
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:11:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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Senator John F. Kerry said through a spokesman this week that he has no recollection of attending a November 1971 meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War at which some activists discussed a plot to kill some US senators who backed the war.
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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: barnes; camil; darkplot; geraldnicosia; kerry; kerry2004; kerryfbiburglary; kerryfbifiles; nicosia; phoenixproject; randybarnes; scottcamil; vvaw
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To: squidly
An open debate about specific assassination possibilities is always a serious issue for any organization.
Who other than Kerry's staff people are saying Kerry voted "no"?
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posted on
04/01/2004 3:25:09 AM PST
by
muawiyah
To: Sabertooth
Senator John F. Kerry said through a spokesman this week that he has no recollection of attending a November 1971 meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War at which some activists discussed a plot to kill some US senators who backed the war."Senator Kerry does not remember attending the Kansas City meeting," Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan said in a statement to the Globe in response to written questions about the matter. "Kerry does not remember any discussions that you referred to," the statement added, referring to the assassination plot.
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But last week, the Kerry campaign seemed to leave open the possibility that he had attended the November session, after historian Gerald Nicosia said he had found an FBI document that he said indicated that Kerry was there. As a result of Nicosia's assertion, Kerry's campaign said in a statement that while Kerry did not remember being at the meeting, "If there are valid FBI surveillance reports from credible sources that place some of those disagreements in Kansas City, we accept that historical footnote in the account of his work to end the difficult and divisive war."
Interesting how the story changed once those valid FBI surveillnace reports came up missing.
42
posted on
04/01/2004 5:05:06 AM PST
by
jellybean
(Official Custodian of the Word Gobsmacked!)
To: Sabertooth
Thank you for the ping on Kerry.
You are doing a great job keeping us informed and it is much appreciated.
43
posted on
04/01/2004 5:09:17 AM PST
by
Happy2BMe
(U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
To: Sabertooth
The FBI has not authorized a separate release of the files, although it is studying pending requests.
I hope one of those pending requests is from the RNC.
44
posted on
04/01/2004 5:18:11 AM PST
by
kabar
To: dpwiener
It is not a lame issue if he knew about the vote to assassinate senators and did not report it.
45
posted on
04/01/2004 5:22:30 AM PST
by
mware
To: Sabertooth
Maybe Kerry dank too much iced tea and had to "step out" when the assasination plot was discussed...
46
posted on
04/01/2004 5:33:33 AM PST
by
OrioleFan
(Republicans believe every day is July 4th, DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
To: OrioleFan
Maybe Kerry drank too much iced tea and had to "step out" when the assasination plot was discussed...
47
posted on
04/01/2004 5:34:14 AM PST
by
OrioleFan
(Republicans believe every day is July 4th, DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
To: OXENinFLA
Ping!
48
posted on
04/01/2004 5:43:37 AM PST
by
StriperSniper
(Ernest Strada Fanclub)
To: Sabertooth
Great...so now we're down to playing the Washington Amnesia game...there must REALLY be some liability concerning his civic reponsibility over this issue.
49
posted on
04/01/2004 5:48:40 AM PST
by
mo
To: governsleastgovernsbest
Exactly. Makes one also wonder how many meetings he has attended where assassiantion of government officials is discussed. As you stated, this is not something one is likely to forget unless he has serious memory problems or onset of Alzheimers.
50
posted on
04/01/2004 5:54:04 AM PST
by
Dante3
To: Sabertooth
I had an extensive conversation with Kranish last week. To his credit, he took the info seriously and did the story. It seems to be a balanced piece, but I would have liked him to talk about Barnes appearance on the John Gibson show. Does anyone have the transcript of Barnes on that show???
51
posted on
04/01/2004 6:00:12 AM PST
by
doug from upland
(Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
To: Sabertooth; devolve; PhilDragoo
But last week, the Kerry campaign seemed to leave open the possibility that he had attended the November session, after historian Gerald Nicosia said he had found an FBI document that he said indicated that Kerry was there. As a result of Nicosia's assertion, Kerry's campaign said in a statement that while Kerry did not remember being at the meeting, "If there are valid FBI surveillance reports from credible sources that place some of those disagreements in Kansas City, we accept that historical footnote in the account of his work to end the difficult and divisive war." I've seen idiots refer to President Bush as '*', implying the hotly contested Florida election results in 2000. I.E. Dubya's win is an historical footnote ('illegitimate') in history too ...
I would bet that Jean Keri is lying. How do you 'forget' being in a meeting in which the discussion is about assassination plans for U.S. Senators ?? Anyway, I'm glad to see the WSJ and now the Boston Globe printing about it.
52
posted on
04/01/2004 6:03:34 AM PST
by
MeekOneGOP
(Become a monthly donor on FR. No amount is too small and monthly giving is the way to go !)
To: squidly
That's why I think this issue is a non-starter. I think you're correct that JK was apparently not in favor of the assassination. But he is culpable on several charges which I believe are legitimate. He actually may not have left the organization after this meeting as he said he did. There's some evidence he worked with VVAW on into 1972; therefore, he is lying today about his involvement then. But even more serious to Kerry is the fact that he did not report the threat of assassination to anyone. It seems that the FBI had infiltrated the group and knew about the plan, but Kerry wouldn't have known that. He had already planned at that point to run for Congress, so he should have been public-service minded enough to pass this info along. And there WAS an attempt on Sen. Stennis's life several years later and two of the other reputed targeted legistators later died in plane crashes.
53
posted on
04/01/2004 6:08:10 AM PST
by
twigs
To: Yaelle
We are assuming that these FBI files are copies. Can't someone else get access to them under FOI like Nicosia did some years ago? Of course, assuming that they're still there...
54
posted on
04/01/2004 6:09:39 AM PST
by
twigs
To: Arthur Wildfire! March; dpwiener
Interesting about that political assasination; I didn't know about it. Yes, it is alarming. In the John O'Neill-JK debate on the Dick Cavett show, I noticed that JK said that if we pulled out of S Vietnam without Vietnamization, there would not be a bloodbath, just a few political assasinations. Actually, I was stunned. I find that a huge issue; he didn't even blink as he said it. He could have been talking about swatting a fly on the wall. It's those sorts of remarks, coupled with the Kansas meeting, that make this an issue. It speaks strongly to character, or more correctly, the lack thereof.
55
posted on
04/01/2004 6:16:39 AM PST
by
twigs
To: dpwiener
It is so pathetic to attempt to claim Kerry was involved in a criminal conspiracy after he opposed a plan which was then voted down by the group and never carried out. It isn't necessary to claim that Kerry was "involved in a criminal conspiracy." For more than a year, he was a key leader in a group sufficiently extreme to bring the matter of political assassinations to a vote. He worked closely with these nutballs on multiple major events, and represented them before Congress.
Wouldn't you say that casts some doubt on his judgment?
To: Sabertooth
This is completely unbelievable. Sorry, Mr. Kerry, but you are just not credible on this one. First of all, your FBI files show clearly that you were in attendance. While you claim that you resigned, there is no record of it. You continued to be a spokesman for these turds after you claim you resigned.
Think about it -- You can't remember attending a conference where assassinations were not only discussed, but actually voted upon? You don't remember the talk of assassinating 7 U.S. Senators, even though you are now a U.S. Senator yourself? Sorry, but even in the drunkest, stoned state of mind ANYONE would remember such a thing. To top all of this off, you committed a felony for NOT REPORTING the suggested plot.
Unless, of course, you were the FBI mole?
To: Sabertooth
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posted on
04/01/2004 7:01:30 AM PST
by
doug from upland
(Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
To: twigs
Now if Kerry had been the FBI informant, everything would be different.
Actually, the Democrats would drop him like a hot rock if they ever found that out!
59
posted on
04/01/2004 7:10:54 AM PST
by
muawiyah
To: twigs
"And there WAS an attempt on Sen. Stennis's life several years later and two of the other reputed targeted legistators later died in plane crashes." One of those Senators that died in a plane crash was John Tower, one of the original 7 that some wanted to assassinate. The other Senator that died just the day before in ANOTHER plane crash was Senator Heinz, which gave Teresa Heinz the freedom to marry John F'n Kerry.
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