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Do You Yahoo? Al Qaeda Does
gopusa.com ^ | March 31, 2004 | Jeremy Reynalds

Posted on 03/31/2004 7:52:58 AM PST by PaulaB

ALBUQUERQUE, N. (Talon News) -- One Internet terror researcher says it is time to launch a campaign against Yahoo -- one of the leading Internet purveyors of terror.

In a recent e-mail, Johnathan Galt suggested the phrase, "Do You Yahoo? Al Qaeda Does!"

For example. Global Islamic Media, with almost 6,000 members at last count, is one of Yahoo's many groups that propagates Islamic terror.

As Galt commented in the same e-mail, Global Islamic Media "is regarded by the world's terrorism experts and the news media as the 'official voice of al Qaeda.' The next attacks are discussed daily on Yahoo (several months in advance). Global Islamic Media published in December 8, 2003 a more explicit threat, which hinted at the possibility of an attack against Spain outside of Iraq. After the attacks occur, they are celebrated at this group."

Another anti-American terror purveyor is the Almuhajiroun Yahoo group. Posts are more than a little incendiary in their vitriol.

Almuhajiroun is a part of radical Islamic cleric Omar Bakri Muhammad's London-based organization.

One recent post was headlined "Terrorism the Fashion of the 21st Century."

Commenting on a verse in the Koran, the post writer said, "In this verse, Allaah ... clearly informs us that he will terrorize and strike terror into the hearts of the disbelievers, i.e. the non-Muslims. ... Therefore, it is inevitable for the non-Muslims to live in fear and tremor, as they associate with Allaah false gods that cannot benefit them or prevent harm from reaching them. They worship their desires, the law of the land, idols, priests, rabbis etc. And due to this great crime, Allaah ... vows to terrorize them."

Justifying recent acts of Islamic terrorism the writer commented, "Allaah orders the believers to terrorize ... the enemies of Allaah and our enemies, by preparing as much artillery, power and weapons as possible. ... Allaah is directly ordering us to use terrorism against the aggressors and enemies of Allaah, all praises are for him."

The writer explained that there are two types of terrorism.

"One that is praised by almighty Allaah ... one that is dispraised and worthy of severe punishment in this life and the hereafter. Violence is also of two, one that is pro-life and one that is against life. Violence against aggressors, oppressors, and tyrants is pro-life, whereas violence initiated (such as that by the U.S. and U.K. in Afghanistan and in Iraq) against young women, children, and the elderly is against life."

Lambasting the United States, the United Kingdom, and their allies, the writer said that the activities of those countries are "indeed aggression, crime, corruption and tyranny -- worthy of severe punishment and disgrace by almighty Allaah, due to it being directed at people who have sanctity for their lives, wealth, and property (i.e. Muslims). Whereas the terrorism used by the Mujaahideen is the praised, exalted and blessed form of terrorism due to it being against people who have no sanctity for their lives, who support aggressors and tyrants and spread corruption and evil on the earth. Furthermore, it is in response to the command of Allaah, who orders the believers to terrorize His ... enemies."

The writer commented that Muslims should not be afraid of being called "terrorists, fundamentalists or extremists" because "it is true; we are terrorists as Allah commands us to use terrorism ... it is just part of the disbeliever's propaganda against Islam and Muslims, which was also used against the messenger Muhammad (saw) and his companions; who were labeled as terrorists, extremists, magicians, liars and sorcerers."

Another post clearly demonstrates the Islamic hatred against both Israel and the Jewish people.

Beginning with the words "The existence of the State of Israel has long been a thorn in the side of the Muslim Ummah," the post reads, "We hereby reject the intervention of the UN or any other party in order to establish peace in Palestine, we reject the proposals made by either the Israeli government or the illegitimate PLO and declare that the verdict from Islam is to continue fighting the occupiers until every inch of Muslim land is returned and the honor of the Muslims is restored. The Oslo Accord, the Wye river memorandum and any visits by Colin Powell or any other cronies of George Bush have no significance whatsoever, because there can be no negotiations with those occupying Muslim land."

The post concludes, "Oh Muslims! It is time for us to realize that the only way for salvation is to remove these apostate rulers from our lands who act as a hindrance to our progress, to replace the existing system of governance with (Islamic) law and order ... so that subservience is to Allah ... exclusively. The very notion of accepting a Jewish entity on Muslim land is a violation of Islam and a recognition of blasphemy."

This group's stated claim is to "to embrace Islam as a spiritual and political belief, culminating in the objective of establishing the Khilafah, i.e. the Islamic State, implementing Islam as the law and order."

But who is Muhammad? In addition to being a prominent radical Muslim with suspected ties to al Qaeda, he was born in Aleppo, Syria, in 1958 and grew up in a wealthy Muslim family, becoming a serious student of Islam and the Koran. He received his B.A. in Shari'ah and the foundations of Islamic law from Shari'ah University in Damascus, obtaining a master's degree in Islamic jurisprudence from the University of Al-Imam Al-U'zaie in Beirut.

According to the Middle East Media Research Institute, Muhammad portrays himself as being the spokesman for bin Laden's International Islamic Front for Jihad against Jews and Crusaders and according to MEMRI has admitted that the organization raises funds for the Hamas, the Islamic Jihad, and is "in touch" with the Hizbullah.

According to MEMRI, Muhammad has lived in London since 1985 and preaches at a number of London mosques. He also routinely presents himself as a spokesman for the International Islamic Front, which he describes as being the political wing of bin Laden's Islamic Front for Jihad against Jews and Crusaders.

Muhammad has no problem with airplane hijackings, according to MEMRI at one time reportedly telling an Egyptian newsweekly:

"The Islamic movement has the right to sacrifice whoever it sees fit. The rule is that (Muslim) children, women, and the weak should not be a goal except in one situation: if it is difficult to win without sacrificing them. So, if hijackers find (Muslim) women, and children and elderly people on a (hijacked) plane, they should set them free except if the goal of the hijackers is to free women, children, and elderly people held prisoners in countries. In this case, they can be kept, because the blood of Muslims is equal (to others blood), but they can sacrifice foreigners on the plane... and if you study Sharia you will know that. The fedya (ransom) of a Muslim is 12,000 dirhams, while that of a Dhimmi (i.e. a Christian or a Jew under Muslim rule) is 4,000 dirhams."


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1 posted on 03/31/2004 7:52:58 AM PST by PaulaB
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To: PaulaB
Bump for some undercover activities on Yahoo
2 posted on 03/31/2004 8:02:15 AM PST by CincinnatiKid (You are just a passenger in the King's Cadillac, you can be removed...)
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To: PaulaB

I think it is time for Yahoo to shut this down.

Or, have someone else shut it down for them.

3 posted on 03/31/2004 8:02:51 AM PST by RonHolzwarth
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Given the paucity of information we have on terrorists, I would think this should be viewed more as a crop to be harvested.

I'm not real comfortable with the idea of the internet police deciding what political content should be posted where, regardless of the ideology.

4 posted on 03/31/2004 8:07:47 AM PST by Da Mav
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To: Da Mav
I'm not real comfortable with the idea of the internet police deciding what political content should be posted where, regardless of the ideology.


Me either. Besides, I like the idea that pig-pus terrorists can see what we think of them. Bunch of cowards.
5 posted on 03/31/2004 8:11:28 AM PST by Iron Matron (Civil Disobedience? It's not just for liberals anymore!)
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To: RonHolzwarth
I hope they leave it wide open. Its easy as heck for the CIA to monitor that place.
6 posted on 03/31/2004 8:15:02 AM PST by ruiner
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To: PaulaB; JohnGalt; Who is John Galt?
Was this our John Galt?
7 posted on 03/31/2004 8:15:09 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: RonHolzwarth
Shut it down? No way! Monitor it for valuable intel.
8 posted on 03/31/2004 8:16:40 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: RonHolzwarth
I think it is time to deport all the U.S. members of this group, inlcuding stripping naturalized citizens of their citizenship. We need to treat AQ sympathizers the way we treated Nazis and Communists.
9 posted on 03/31/2004 8:18:25 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: RonHolzwarth
Or, have someone else shut it down for them.

Who? How? Why?

10 posted on 03/31/2004 8:19:11 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: eno_
inlcuding stripping naturalized citizens of their citizenship.

How does that work?

11 posted on 03/31/2004 8:19:58 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: RonHolzwarth
You can report these groups if they violate the TOS of Yahoo
they get shut down on a regular basis only to come back under a different name.

from Yahoo TOS
You agree to not use the Service to:


upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

12 posted on 03/31/2004 8:22:36 AM PST by boxerblues (4 months and a couple of bandaid wounds do not make a hero)
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To: eno_
We need to treat AQ sympathizers the way we treated Nazis and Communists.

Both groups are allowed to operate openly in this country. Many of both groups are Freepers as a matter of fact.

13 posted on 03/31/2004 8:23:15 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: PaulaB; cyborg; CincinnatiKid; RonHolzwarth; Da Mav; Iron Matron; ruiner; Blood of Tyrants; eno_; ..
Two points.

1) Some forums are frequently used by intelligence services to dredge for information. Vital information can be accrued from these sites, and in many cases they are the only source of information. That is why even more overt (read actual terrorist) sites are left alone by the authorities. If the author above 'stumbled' into the Yahoo groups you can be assured the pertinent intelligence agencies have been perusing through them for months if not years. Some may even have been incepted by the agencies. And they would ahve been shut down long ago if they wanted them shut down.

2) Many of the sites are not terrorist per se. They are Islamic-afiliated forums (just as FR is a conservative-affiliated forum) where people say what they think. Just as in FR we have some guys that want the whole ME to be nuked they have their guys who want America to be nuked (caveat: their kooks are the majority while ours are a minority ......unless you head over to DU). Every now and then i go to this Pakistani forum (i managed to squeeze in when their site was down) and they have some very interesting statements. Most of it is foolish dribble (eg saying how the Pakistani airforce can beat the USAF and Indian airforces simultaneously). Much of it is endless ranting against the US, Israel and India. Almost all of it is stupid. All of it is funny (although every now and then they say some really horrible things)

Basically the intelligence agencies have the matter under control. If they wanted the sites shut down they would be ...but they let them continue because they can get a lot of info. Eg some of the 'chatter' you hear in the news ....where do you think it comes from? ESP or ESPN? Nope!

Having the public move to shut down the sites (ala Bill Oreilly maneuvre) would take away this source of info.

If you see a crack dealer openly selling crack on the street opposite the White House, and he is not hiding what he is doing yet there are cops and secret service agents walking right across, then you have to arrive to one of two conclusions. One: they are blind and hence oblivious to the crack peddler. Two: they know what he is doing and are letting him do it for some reason.

There are crack peddlers on yahoo.

Sadly some Bill Oreilly wannabes (and probably even our 'humble' correspondent, the most-honorable exalted enlightened never-wrong and knighted-by-King-Arthur-himself Billus Oreillius himself) may push Yahoo to close the sites so much that in order to save themselves from a public backlash they will shut down the sites (imagine a talking points memo on yahoo ....yikes). Too many ideologues with hair-triggers, and i'm not talking about Jihadi kooks.

14 posted on 03/31/2004 8:23:40 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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To: spetznaz
excellent summary
15 posted on 03/31/2004 8:25:03 AM PST by cyborg (troll on a stick)
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To: PaulaB; ntrulock; Alamo-Girl; Noswad; JohnOG; Paul Ross
As a child growing up in Sunnyvale, California, where Yahoo is now headquartered, I observed most of the men in my neighborhood to work at Lockheed Missiles and Space, the original company which anchored the place. Although we were 40 miles from downtown San Francisco, the values were conservative, patriotic and traditional. (To be honest, back then, even "the City" was much more conservative than the Gay Camelot with Marxist characteristics that it is now..). I have no sympathy for any of these bratty, upstart, Leftist, globalist companies who have taken over my neck of the woods. None whatever. Investigate to the hilt, then take action.
16 posted on 03/31/2004 8:27:56 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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I regularly cruise pro-Islamic sites for humor and information. Ditto DU. There is a lot to be said for knowing your enemy.

I mean posts on the internet are hardly a threat. You only have to read some of what passes for reasoning there to realize that while conservatives have a few wharts and zits scattered about the IslamoFascistLeft has a bumper crop of acne in full bloom.
17 posted on 03/31/2004 8:29:51 AM PST by Da Mav
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To: spetznaz
2) Many of the sites are not terrorist per se. They are Islamic-afiliated forums (just as FR is a conservative-affiliated forum) where people say what they think. Just as in FR we have some guys that want the whole ME to be nuked they have their guys who want America to be nuked (caveat: their kooks are the majority while ours are a minority ......unless you head over to DU). Every now and then i go to this Pakistani forum (i managed to squeeze in when their site was down) and they have some very interesting statements. Most of it is foolish dribble (eg saying how the Pakistani airforce can beat the USAF and Indian airforces simultaneously). Much of it is endless ranting against the US, Israel and India. Almost all of it is stupid. All of it is funny (although every now and then they say some really horrible things)



Well, I must place myself in the kook category.

I want terrorists, both domestic and foreign to be VERY AFRAID of OUR hatred, and what COULD result. Those thoughts keep me warm when I see bodies of our soldiers drug through dirty arab streets . . .
18 posted on 03/31/2004 8:30:21 AM PST by Iron Matron (Civil Disobedience? It's not just for liberals anymore!)
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To: RonHolzwarth
>>Or, have someone else shut it down for them.<<

I'm on it. Let's just say my newphew made a few new "discoveries" over the weekend in regards to Yahoo.

19 posted on 03/31/2004 8:36:55 AM PST by StopThePress
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To: ruiner
"I hope they leave it wide open. Its easy as heck for the CIA to monitor that place."

Too many encrypted messages to risk it. Lets hack it.

20 posted on 03/31/2004 8:38:48 AM PST by StopThePress
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