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John Kerry & John O'Neill, Dick Cavett Show Debate from 1971 on C-SPAN Now [LIVE THREAD]

Posted on 03/28/2004 3:45:24 PM PST by Stultis

Started 6:30 EST, Interviewing Dick Cavett, now John O'Niell, by phone. Show will start soon.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1971; cavett; cavettkerry; dickcavett; johnkerry; johnoneill; kerrycavett; vvaw
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To: cwb
It is incalculable, the damage that Kerry has done to the Vietnam Vet...and still he has no idea what he has done.

Don't kid yourself on that score. Kerry made a decision to follow his ambition and devil take the hindmost.

I hope I can stay awake for another 20 minutes and see the replay.

221 posted on 03/28/2004 6:06:25 PM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: sauropod
I was explaining to my 21 year old daughter that the reason my brother, David Strange, was spit on upon return from Viet Nam was Kerry and his ilk like-- Jane Fonda and the hundreds of thousands that David Horowitz describes as turning up on the mall in Washington DC to celebrate "May Day...while the year following US withdrawal of troops was less than 10,000. The "reason" was cowardice.

I sugested that if my children needed any follow up to Kerry ad his suggestion to "make the killing stop" was a quick perusal of the film "The Killing Fields...or a google search of Khmer Rouge

222 posted on 03/28/2004 6:10:12 PM PST by Dutchgirl
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To: js1138
Great article here:

Kerry Exploits Vets for Hanoi (I promised no more Kerry articles. This one is well written though)
www.insightmag.com ^ | By J. Michael Waller

Posted on 03/05/2004 1:56:11 PM CST by bogdanPolska12

For Kerry, politicizing the nation's war effort for partisan purposes was the right thing to do, in contrast to the violent revolutionary designs of colleagues who were out to destroy the system. Kerry didn't want to take down the establishment. He wanted to take it over. His aborted, monthlong 1970 congressional campaign was a victory for him politically, as it landed him on television's popular Dick Cavett Show, where he came to the attention of some of the central organizers of the antiwar/pro-Hanoi group known as Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW).

VVAW was a numerically small part of the protest movement, but it was extremely influential through skillful political theater, the novelty of uniformed combat veterans joining the Vietniks, and a ruthless coalition-building strategy that forged partnerships with the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), its Trotskyite rival, the Socialist Workers Party, and a broad front that ranged from pacifists to supporters of the Black Panthers and other domestic terrorist groups.

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Kerry was the star of the political theater that historic week, angry that the law forbade political protests at veterans' graves in Arlington National Cemetery and angrier that President Richard Nixon enforced the law and that the Supreme Court upheld it. He led an illegal encampment of veterans and people who dressed as veterans on the Mall in downtown Washington and used the services of Ramsey Clark - a former Johnson administration attorney general who by that time openly was supporting the enemy in Hanoi - to fight a federal order to disperse. According to the Daily World, which published a page-one photo of Kerry passing Clark a note during the march, the protesters converged on the White House chanting, "One, Two, Three, Four - We Don't Want Your F- - - - - - War."

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He seemed to want it both ways in the protest movement. While claiming to "hate" the communists, he decried any attempt to marginalize them within the movement. Once, when questioned about his political alliance with supporters of the enemy, Kerry said that any attempts to push out Hanoi supporters might result "in seriously dividing and weakening the movement, and making it less effective."

That didn't sit well with some VVAW members beyond the Washington Beltway...

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Yet for all his want of the spotlight, Kerry avoided public debates with other veterans. On seven occasions, by July 1971, he had refused to allow other veterans to challenge him publicly on television, even when CBS and NBC offered to host formal debates. He relented only when Dick Cavett, who had made him a national figure not long before, agreed to terms Kerry found advantageous. Even then, with Kerry holding all the advantages, Boston Globe political columnist David Nyhan observed, his "scrappy little" opponent, John O'Neill, "was all over Kerry like a terrier, keeping the star of the Foreign Relations Committee hearings ... off balance."

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Having lost the ['72 House of Rep.] primary in humiliation - his brother had been caught trying to wiretap an opponent's office[!!!] - Kerry went to Boston College Law School. Later, he was appointed assistant district attorney, then was elected lieutenant governor under Mike Dukakis in 1982. Two years later, he ran for the U.S. Senate - dusting off his veteran's credentials by standing in front of the black Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington to shoot a TV campaign ad, defying regulations that the memorial not be used for political purposes. The ad "was filmed illegally against the wishes of the National Park Service," according to the Boston Globe. Kerry authorized its broadcast anyway.

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223 posted on 03/28/2004 6:10:40 PM PST by Stultis
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To: JulieRNR21
Yeah...that must of been right after Rush said something about it:)
224 posted on 03/28/2004 6:11:15 PM PST by cwb (Kerry: The only person who could make Bill Clinton look like a moderate.)
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To: abner
I heard him say so he could work harder against the war.

Does that mean he was doing things to undermine our troops while he was in theatre???

That one jumped out at me!

You might be onto something. According to Wikipedia, Kerry turned against the war before he ever saw combat:

Kerry lost five friends in war, including his Yale classmate Richard Pershing who was killed in action on February 17, 1968. The death had a devastating impact on Kerry, who expressed his grief in a wrenching letter to his parents, writing: "If I do nothing more, and if I convince the others to do nothing more, it will be to give every effort we can to somehow make this a better world to live in and to end once and for all this willingness to expend ourselves in this stupid, endless self-distruction [sic]."

225 posted on 03/28/2004 6:11:29 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Stultis
This is one of the early appearnaces of John Freakin' Kerry, the MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!
226 posted on 03/28/2004 6:11:30 PM PST by leprechaun9
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To: Interesting Times
The thing I noticed the most about the Kerry Interview was his inability to face the camera. He would occasionally look at Cavett, an obvious partisan, but never at O'Neill and never at the camera.
227 posted on 03/28/2004 6:23:31 PM PST by Dutchgirl
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To: Stultis
Having lost the primary in humiliation - his brother had been caught trying to wiretap an opponent's office -

Say WHAT???

228 posted on 03/28/2004 6:29:47 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: cyncooper
Dick Cavett was OBVIOUSLY on Kerry's side. It was sickening. The other guy was only 25 years old! I can't believe it. Kerry was a pompous creepy liar and still is!
229 posted on 03/28/2004 6:31:59 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: jennyp
CSPAN's Rebroadcast of the Kerry vs. O'Neill debate (Jul 1971) BUMP
230 posted on 03/28/2004 6:33:44 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: leprechaun9
This is one of the early appearnaces of John Freakin' Kerry, the MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!

Kerry would be Angela Lansbury's Senator husband, I presume, who she was scheming to install in the oval office, by any means necessary? So who would be the brainwashed dupe? Did anyone flash Howard Dean a playing card before he went "YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW!"?

231 posted on 03/28/2004 6:33:50 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Dutchgirl
I lost my first husband, a Green Beret Lt, in Viet Nam and all this is bringing back so much old pain but I watched it with tears in my eyes. To think that a man like John F Kerry might make it to the Presidency makes me absolutely sick.

If you missed the early show the rerun is on again in 5 minutes and is a MUST SEE and MUST TAPE

God bless John O'Neill - a true War Hero in my opinion.

Kerry Must Not Win the Presidency....He must NOT!
232 posted on 03/28/2004 6:33:52 PM PST by AnnO
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To: jennyp
Replay just started, BUMP!
233 posted on 03/28/2004 6:35:56 PM PST by Stultis
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To: maggiefluffs
O'Neill is a brilliant debater. Imagine at age 25 he was able to keep his composure and debate the demon face to face. Great job! He must be a great lawyer today!
234 posted on 03/28/2004 6:36:12 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Give me John O'Neill in his white socks any time over Kerry and is slick obnoxious style then and now!
235 posted on 03/28/2004 6:38:59 PM PST by AnnO
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To: js1138
Regarding "freedom" in Vietnam: HMONG CHRISTIAN REPORTS STATE TORTURE BY INJECTION IN VIETNAM

WASHINGTON, DC, March 15, 2004 -- The Vietnamese government is using drug injections to torture minority ethnic Hmong Christians into abandoning their faith, according to new documentary evidence released today by Freedom House’s Center for Religious Freedom.

The Center has received a letter dated January 30 that details the plight of Hmong Christians who are forced to deny their faith in Na Ling Village, Song Ma District, Lai Chau Province in Northwest Vietnam. The letter, written by Zong Xiong Hang, a Hmong Christian, describes the use of painful drug injections administered by Vietnamese military personnel in order to force Hmong in Na Ling Village “to not believe in Jesus.” Those injected reported experiencing chest pains, headaches, and numbness in their limbs.

“Pain-inducing drug injections are a horrific violation of the integrity of the person,” said Center Director Nina Shea. “This shocking form of torture has been used in some of the world’s most sinister regimes, including Nazi Germany and the USSR.”

According to the letter, Christians in Na Ling Village also faced expulsion if they did not abandon their religious beliefs..........

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Nice that your daughter could visit the Potemkin Vietnam. Unfortunately, she didn't visit the real country, as it is.

236 posted on 03/28/2004 6:39:49 PM PST by cookcounty (John Flipflop Kerry ---the only man to have been on BOTH sides of 3 wars!)
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To: AnnO
God bless you.
237 posted on 03/28/2004 6:40:26 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Stultis
Having lost the ['72 House of Rep.] primary in humiliation - his brother had been caught trying to wiretap an opponent's office[!!!]

Can we find out if JF Kerry's brother was convicted? Looks like Kerry's brother may have attempted the first 'Watergate' caper!

Wonder if Kerry's brother had anything to do with those missing FBI files on Kerry the CA writer just reported were missing.....LOL

239 posted on 03/28/2004 6:48:24 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: cookcounty
Nice that your daughter could visit the Potemkin Vietnam.

I'm pretty sure every country that caters to tourism could be called a potemkin country. I don't dispute your information, and I'm not arguing moral equivalence, but there are much worse countries that are not communist. If you look at 25 year chunks of time rather than day by day, the trend is going to be away from totalitarianism.

That's going to be true in Muslim countries as well.

240 posted on 03/28/2004 6:56:23 PM PST by js1138
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