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Keep bases here, Germany implores U.S.
AP Wire | March 28 2004 | MELISSA EDDY/AP

Posted on 03/28/2004 5:36:02 AM PST by knighthawk

WUERZBURG, Germany - As host to 170,000 American soldiers and dependents, Germany has a lot to lose under Pentagon plans to shift forces out of western Europe, and officials in areas facing a pinch are lobbying heavily for them to stay.

Economic survival for their communities, more than security, is the concern for these supporters of a continued U.S. presence in their regions, where ties are deeply rooted despite Germans' current criticism of U.S. policy in Iraq.

Many of the communities depend on business and jobs generated by the bases, located mainly in economically weak regions of southern and western Germany.

''We realized that our installations are in grave danger,'' said Karl Peter Bruch, a state official in Rhineland-Palatinate who heads an effort to lobby U.S. officials. ``And then came the question, what can we do to make us more attractive?''

The tactic has drawn mixed reviews from the Americans, who have some 80,000 military personnel with 94,000 family members in Germany.

The issue has nothing to do with Germany being unattractive, U.S. officials say. It's part of a global realignment to meet changing threats centered in Central Asia and the Middle East.

''We're still sitting where we were at the end of the Cold War,'' said Air Force Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Kohler, the U.S. European Command's point man on planning for force realignment.

But letting go is not easy for towns like Wuerzburg, where the U.S. Army's 1st Infantry Division has been stationed since after World War II. It is frequently mentioned as a candidate to return to the United States.

At a recent farewell ceremony for soldiers departing Wuerzburg for Iraq, Bavaria's governor stressed the Army's importance to his state.

'Dear soldiers, your presence in Bavaria . . . is indispensable to peace and stability in Europe and is a key element in our trans-Atlantic relations. The U.S. Army, `our' 1st Infantry Division, must remain in Bavaria,'' said Gov. Edmund Stoiber, a leading conservative who narrowly lost national elections in 2002 to Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's Social Democrats.

STRAINED RELATIONS

Schroeder's relations with Washington were strained by his strong opposition to attacking Saddam Hussein's regime. But U.S. officials made it clear they're pulling forces out of Germany because of the changed international threat, not as punishment.

Nonetheless, German officials aren't giving up. Mayors from host cities across Bavaria and Rhineland-Palatinate traveled to Washington in the fall to argue the benefits of keeping bases in Germany: solid infrastructure, good quality of life and decades-old friendships.

Even though critical sites in Rhineland-Palatinate such as Ramstein Air Base and the Landstuhl medical center appear likely to stay, Bruch figures his state should do even more, since entire regions depend heavily on the $1.4 billion and 27,000 local jobs the U.S. military generates.

With German-U.S. working groups, Bruch toured all the American bases in the state to learn what they need and what would make them attractive to the restructured U.S. military.

HOUSING

A key issue was decrepit housing that didn't meet the latest U.S. security needs, so Bruch has raised about $130 million in private funds for renovation and construction of new housing for the Americans.

He also hired a Washington-based consultant and traveled to the U.S. capital to make his case. American officials reacted positively and invited him to return this spring with concrete plans for new military housing, Bruch said.

''There had been other delegations, including one from Bavaria that talked about how beautiful the mountains are,'' Bruch said. ``But we were the only Germans who went there and presented a concept.''

While in Washington, Bruch also learned more about the U.S. Army's introduction of small, highly mobile units called Stryker brigades. U.S. officials are looking to base them at strategic locations where they can train but also be ready to deploy quickly.

''That would be ideal for Baumholder,'' Bruch said, referring to a base with a large training area near Ramstein where parts of the 1st Infantry Division are now stationed. He plans to make that pitch in Washington.

Officials at European Command say they expect to have a solid picture of the future force structure in Germany by early spring.

TASK FORCE

Some cities are not waiting to find out if they are on the list of closings.

In Bamberg, which also hosts units of the 1st Infantry Division, city officials have set up a task force to grapple with issues like a flooded real estate market if the Army should vacate its 500 apartments.


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bases; germany; militarybases; newnwo
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To: Michael81Dus
Ah, there's the problem. You, like much of Europe and the anti-American crowd, are still thinking in pre 9/11 ways. Ways that came crashing down with the WTC and the deaths of 3000 innocents.

1) Iraq was a priciple in both regional and world wide terror.
2) Iraq had the intent of procuring MORE WMDs. Whether they had them at the time of liberation or not is inconsequntial.
3) No matter what Europe and th corrupt UN says, the US should not have waited until points 1 and 2 collided. At that point, we end up with even more dead US civilians.
4) Saddam Hussein lost all rights to the protection of sovereingty when he did the following:


81 posted on 03/28/2004 9:06:57 AM PST by Turbo Pig (If They Don't Respect US, They Should At Least Fear US.)
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To: Michael81Dus
Sorry for overreacting. The protests from the German youngsters outside the bases I've heard & read about led me to believe it was a "we hate the war on terrorism" issue + they hate Americans.

Anyway, since the Cold war is over, I guess Germany doesn't need to our presence as much. ;)
82 posted on 03/28/2004 9:07:05 AM PST by madison10
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To: knighthawk
As usual, thanks Knighthawk.
We have accomplished our mission. We can't afford to be there anymore.
While the German military continues to downsize their own protectio, they want America to take up the slack? No thanks, it is our money, our Taxdollars. I want them put to better use.
At least then the Germans have something real to complain about. Their Anti-Americanism will have a better cause...............
83 posted on 03/28/2004 9:12:27 AM PST by americanbychoice2
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To: MissAmericanPie
In closing American industry and giving Germany the monopoly on sub building

Huh? Last time I looked Electric Boat in Groton, CT was cranking out subs at a pretty good clip.

See here .

84 posted on 03/28/2004 9:13:47 AM PST by mikenola
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To: knighthawk
...entire regions depend heavily on the $1.4 billion and 27,000 local jobs the U.S. military generates.

Gee. Maybe they can move to Oklahoma. We need the jobs, and we won't ridicule them like the Germans do...

85 posted on 03/28/2004 9:27:03 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: mikenola
Huh? Last time I looked Electric Boat in Groton, CT was cranking out subs at a pretty good clip.

I think he may have been referring to Diesel-electric boats. As far as I know we don't build those anymore, and thats what Tiawan wanted.

86 posted on 03/28/2004 9:30:57 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Michael81Dus; Grampa Dave; knighthawk
Perhaps you haven't seen this:

Report Details Saddam's Support for Terrorists Who Killed Americans

The above link is the FreeRepublic discussion thread.

The actual article is :

"Saddam Hussein’s Philanthropy of Terror"

It is a pdf document with substantial footnotes and put together by Dewey Murdock of the Hudson Institute.

87 posted on 03/28/2004 9:57:54 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Pan_Yan
I have yet to see a viable arguement against being an isolationist country. Don't join any more clubs or sign any more treaties, just like George Washington warned us not to.

Now be careful.

If you start defending George Washington's isolationism, most FReepers will jump to your jugular and call you "paleocon" and "Buchanan fan"

88 posted on 03/28/2004 10:02:24 AM PST by El Conservador ("No blood for oil!"... Then don't drive, you moron!!!)
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To: sumocide
The germans and the french stiffed us re iraq. Screw them both
89 posted on 03/28/2004 10:02:40 AM PST by paul51
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To: mystery-ak
Anaconda

Is that a location?

90 posted on 03/28/2004 10:06:47 AM PST by TankerKC (Clogged Arteries and Still Smilin'!)
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To: knighthawk
Dear Mr. Schroeder:

Bite me, backstabber.

Regards,
President Bush

91 posted on 03/28/2004 10:17:26 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (Dogs have masters; Cats have staff.)
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To: Michael81Dus
Are you in favor of Slavery?
The most often used phrase when I am in Germany is "They were his own people. You had no right to invade". Therefore, is it ok to watch that madman kill millions of his own people? The Europeans were sure anxious to bomb the hell out of Serbia with a lot less evidence of mass extinction while not bothering to get UN approval. I smell hypocracy.
Or, "It was all for oil" Why would we want to pay $ 1000 per barrell including the costs we incurred, if we can get it at about $35? Doesn't make sense.
Remember, sticking your head in the sand will make an inviting target of you ass while it is up in the air.
92 posted on 03/28/2004 10:29:07 AM PST by americanbychoice2
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To: knighthawk
Does Germany fear an invasion from Poland?
93 posted on 03/28/2004 10:38:26 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Michael81Dus
Iraq was a primary supporter of terrorism. Check a middle east map. Look at the strategic importance of Iraq in the middle east. Your statement is like saying that there's no reason to take a knight located in the middle of a chess board because the object is to get the king.

Elected governments and the elimination of dictators who foster terrorism is a primary tactic in the war on terror.

94 posted on 03/28/2004 10:47:40 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: knighthawk
RUMS: HOW ARE YOU GERHARD!!
RUMS: ALL OUR BASE ARE BELONG TO YOU.
KANZLER: WHAT YOU SAY!!
95 posted on 03/28/2004 10:51:46 AM PST by RichInOC (MOVE BASE. FOR GREAT JUSTICE.)
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To: Richard Kimball
Right, see the Dewey Murdock pdf link at post #87!
96 posted on 03/28/2004 11:02:01 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: AFPhys
Germany's big mistake was threatening to restrict their air space preventing us from flying our war planes from bases there.

You can't spend billions on bases to have a foreign politician's whims make them useless. Basically giving locals veto power over what operations you can pursue with your own base and equipment.

That is simply unacceptable. For us, I hope it is a lesson learned.
97 posted on 03/28/2004 11:04:32 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: knighthawk
'Dear soldiers, your presence in Bavaria . . . is indispensable to peace and
stability in Europe and is a key element in our trans-Atlantic relations.


The Germans are getting edgy about all the new mosques being built in their neighborhoods
(as documented in The Los Angeles Times).
They've looked at what fun Muslims are as close neighbors in the former Yugoslavia...
and are starting to realize they may need the USA to help them in some
house-to-house fighting in a few years or so.
98 posted on 03/28/2004 11:07:33 AM PST by VOA
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To: Michael81Dus
Re: Iraq and AQ. Read Richard Miniter's book Losing Bin Laden, especially Appendix A, then get back to me.
99 posted on 03/28/2004 11:09:32 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Michael81Dus
#97 is what I have a major issue with.
100 posted on 03/28/2004 11:15:37 AM PST by DB (©)
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