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32 1/2 years later in K.C. -- Kerry ironically uses the word "assassination"
the news | 3-27-03 | dfu

Posted on 03/27/2004 6:27:36 PM PST by doug from upland

John Kerry is on the campaign trail in Kansas City. In an incredible ironic twist, he used the word "assassination" in talking about what he charges to be character assassination by the White House against Richard Clarke. Clarke, much like Kerry, takes boths sides of every issue and expects people to actually take him seriously.

Although the mainstream media has so far resisted reporting on the most important hidden story of the 2004 campaign, some of us are slowly but surely getting out the message. They will ultimately be shamed into doing the story, hopefully sooner rather than later.

It was about 32 1/2 years ago when Kerry used the word assassination in Kansas City. It was at the Mennonite Hall on 77th Terrace where he and several others in the hierarchy of the VVAW actually debated and voted on whether to assassinate U.S. senators.

Until FBI files showed him to be lying, Kerry had insisted that he resigned from the VVAW before the Kansas City meeting that took place on Nov. 12-15, 1971.

It is quite understandable that Kerry would not want voters to know that he had been a part of that meeting. After all, debating and voting on whether to assassinate senators is a conspiracy. Instead of a run for the White House, Kerry is indeed fortunate that he did not spend significant time in the big house.

Note to Kerry and all his Kool-Aid drinking sick-o-fants. We know what you did. It cannot be hidden forever. The internet is quite a tool, huh John?

The following is an excerpt from a book, "Winter Soldiers," by Richard Staciewicz, pp 294-295:

In the fall of 1971, tensions over the direction in which the organization was heading, as it spread out into various community activities and took on a more consciously anti-imperialist position, were becoming more evident. In November, an emergency meeting of the steering committee was held in Kansas City. This meeting was a result of the growing friction among members of the steering committee, and between new members and the old leadership.

[snip]

[Terry DuBose] TDB: That was also where there was actually some discussion of assassinating some senators during the Christmas holidays. They were people who I knew from the organization with hotheaded rhetoric.

They had a list of six senators ... Helms, John Tower, and I can't remember the others, who they wanted to assassinate when they adjourned for Christmas. They were the ones voting to fund the war. They approached me about assassinating John Tower because he was from Texas. The logic made a certain amount of sense because there's thousands of people dying in southeast Asia. We can shoot these six people and probably stop it. Some of us were willing to sabotage materials, but when it came to people ... I mean, there were a lot of angry people...

The following is from Gerald Nicosia's book, "Home To War," pp 221-223:

[Scott] Camil proposed VVAW return in force to Washington, D.C., and there apply pressure in every conceivable way to the legislators who were still voting to fund the war. After the assembly of coordinators defeated the plan, he was told it was “a closed issue at this point." Camil replied that such a tactic was "never a closed issue." He then made known an even more radical proposal, which he intended to submit to the coordinators for their approval. If undertaken, he claimed, it would guarantee the end of congressional support for the war. It was this proposal that nearly blew the Kansas City convention wide open, and which branded Camil as both dangerous and crazy for the remainder of his time in the organization.

What Camil sketched was so explosive that the coordinators feared lest government agents even hear of it. So they decamped to a church on the outskirts of town with the intention of debating the plan in complete privacy. When they got the church, however, they found that the government was already on to them; their "debugging expert" uncovered microphones hidden all over the place. An instantaneous decision was made to move again - to Common Ground, a Mennonite hall used by homeless vets as a "crash pad," on 77th Terrace.

This time a vote was taken to exclude anyone but regional coordinators and members the national office. The rest of the members, even trusted leaders such as Randy Barnes and John Upton (who had earned their credibility in the mud and tears of Dewey Canvon III), were forced to wait outside on the grass, where messeng­ers brought frequent word of what was going on inside. According to Barnes, everybody knew that the discussion in that hall "was grounds for criminal indictment of conspiracy."

Discussion was not exactly the word for it. John Upton recalls it being "a knock-down-drag-out [fight] at times." Randy Barnes remembers "people standing up on the tables yelling and screaming at one another." The proposal that fired so much anger was called the "Phoenix plan," in mockery of the U.S. government's similar program in Vietnam. There was, in fact, good evidence that the United States Studies and Observation Group (SOG) - known to those inside it as the Special Operations Group - had used its own Special Forces, those of South Vietnam, and even South Vietnamese mercenaries to murder various Communist and Communist-sympathizing village chiefs, political leaders,­ and other influential citizens in South Vietnam. Some say as many as 10,000 were assassinated, in order (theoretically) to rebuild a more democratic infrastructure in the south. Hence the name "Phoenix": a better, stronger Vietnam was supposed to rise from the ashes of the Communist-tainted one. Similarly, Camil now proposed the assassination of the most hard-core conservative members of Congress, as well as any other powerful, intractable opponents of the antiwar movement - the ones who would rather die than see America suffer a military defeat in Vietnam. Fine, let them die, suggested Camil - in fact, help them along in that direction and once they were cleared out of the way, a truly democratic America could arise, one that would choose to be at peace with the rest of the world.

When the Phoenix plan first came before the steering committee meeting, John Upton had been standing almost next to Camil, and he recalls that "at first it was laughed off. Then he [Camil] became really irate, and some other people that were supporting that got really irate, and it got down to a really hard discussion about it. There was a time, I'm not kidding you, I was almost one of them. Especially when we moved over to 77th Terrace, a lot of people were convinced that this was the way to do it. I thought it was a novel idea, but it was not something I would support. I looked on it as doing just what we were fighting against. It was killing people for no [good] reason. I remember saying this, and somebodv stood up and called me a 'moderate'! If I went an inch more crazier than I was, I could have endorsed it one hundred percent. Scott was pissed off just like I was. He was one of those people I really identified with ­ with the anger I saw there. My whole instinct here was, `Let's demonstrate and do these things against the **cking war, to get the word out. Let's talk in high schools. But let's do things legal. Let's get the right permits.' The Phoenix plan was like, that's what needs to be done, but, God, we can't really do that."

The Phoenix plan, like the rest of Camil's proposals, was voted down in Kansas City, but its specter had only begun to haunt the organization; and, ironically enough, among those whose imaginations it enflamed were those very agents who had been charged with finding a way to destroy VVAW.

*** John F'in Kerry, No F'n Way! ***


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: assassination; camil; conspiracy; darkplot; kansascity; kerry; scottcamil; senators; unindicted; vvaw
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To: doug from upland
Well if I were getting copies, I would have gotten them as PDFs. It's possible to get several boxes worth of documents onto one CD. An entire filing cabinet's files could probably fit on a DVD. Once in that form, it's possible to make as many copies desired in a short amount of time. If anybody stole just one copy, I'd put all the contents on servers located on the Internet.
21 posted on 03/27/2004 7:15:37 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: doug from upland
"Note to Kery and all his Kool-Aid drinking sick-0-fants. We know what you did. It cannot be hidden forever. The internet is quite a tool, huh John?"

And to think, we have is buddy Al Gore to thank for the internet.
22 posted on 03/27/2004 7:22:46 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Are these leftists stupid or evil or both? ><BCC>)
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To: doug from upland
Freudian slip?
23 posted on 03/27/2004 7:25:30 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: doug from upland
The survivors of assassinated victims are very, very offended that Kerry used the word "assassin."
24 posted on 03/27/2004 7:25:42 PM PST by syriacus (2001: The Daschle-Schumer Gang obstructed Bush's attempts to organize his administration -->9/11)
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To: doug from upland
Wonder if any of Kerry's co-conspirators ever contracted out to do any 'wet work' for Bobbie 'Big Pussy' Beckels?
25 posted on 03/27/2004 7:27:38 PM PST by DaBroasta (I want to know what John the F-ing Gigolo Kerry knew about Senator Heinz death and when he knew it)
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To: doug from upland
Every time I read something about this, my blood runs cold to think that this despicable creature may actually be elected President. We will have a man in the White House who is possibly every bit as evil, if not worse, than Billy Jeff was/is.
26 posted on 03/27/2004 7:35:06 PM PST by ladyinred (Weakness Invites War. Peace through Strength (Margaret Thatcher))
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To: MJY1288
I'll bet he will find a way to flip flop on this one too.

Funny you should say that.

Yesterday - My challenge to the Bush administration would be, if (Clarke) is not believable and they have reason to show it, then prosecute him for perjury because he is under oath, Kerry told CBS's MarketWatch.
"They have a perfect right to do that," said Kerry.

Today - On Clarke, Kerry said: "Every time somebody comes up and says something that this White House doesn't like, they don't answer the questions about it or show you the truth about it. They go into character assassination mode."

Imagine that, another flip-flop.

33 posted on 03/27/2004 10:18:00 PM EST by RGSpincich

27 posted on 03/27/2004 7:45:32 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: DaBroasta
Beckel? Ah, yes. From the archives ---

MIDI - CAMP GRENADA

How's it hanging…Robert Beckel…you will be so fun to heckle
You were seeking out some action…you are lucky your wife's not put you in traction

You were surfing…evening's boring…Tiffany showed off her whoring
She was dressed provocatively…lately your thing had been seeming rather shrively

An appointment you were setting…would there be some heavy petting
At three hundred bucks an hour…you were hoping something would rise like a tower

She arrived and got right to it…oh, yes, Robert…she could do it
You need more than electoral…she would teach you a few tricks about things oral

So you paid six hundred dollars…and your neighbors heard you holler
It was great…but if your wife found out she surely would be quite irate

Just one night's not satisfying…I want more, you started crying
She came back…it's thirteen hundred bucks for Tiffy in the sack

Wait a minute…she's been writing…suddenly it's not exciting
Fifty thousand she's demanding…and the problem for you really is expanding

You had fallen to temptation…now prepare for litigation
But it gets much more exquisite…you heard your wife say Ms. Bobbitt's gonna visit

28 posted on 03/27/2004 7:49:02 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: lambo
JF'nK: "I was in Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and I happen to know something about assassination for real."

Back then in 71 he was probably for the assassinations before he was against them?????

How 44% of the registered voters can say that they would vote for this clown is beyond me......

29 posted on 03/27/2004 7:52:53 PM PST by eeriegeno
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To: doug from upland
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30 posted on 03/27/2004 7:54:55 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Space Available for Rent or Lease by the Day, Week, or Month. Reasonable Rates. Inquire within.)
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To: doug from upland
Maybe these files were removed from Nicosia's collection to be later leaked to various news agencies or posted on the net for all to see. Sounds a lot like clinton style politics. CNN is reporting on this Nicosia story also.
31 posted on 03/27/2004 7:57:30 PM PST by dc-zoo
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To: arasina
LOL, John Kerry calls it his "nuanced approach" to the issues of the day :-)

I think my tagline explains John Kerry's lack of a spine

32 posted on 03/27/2004 7:58:23 PM PST by MJY1288 (When Faced With a Choice as Simple as Night or Day, John Kerry Chooses Dusk and Dawn)
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To: doug from upland
Even if Kerry spoke against the assassination proposal, he was still bound by his oath as a Commissioned Officer in the U. S. Navy (being at that time in the Reserve) to report these assassination discussions to the Government. They were manifestly serious discussions. And Kerry had taken a solemn oath to "...support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic..." and to "...bear true faith and allegiance to the same..." and to "...well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office of which I am about to enter, so help me God." If he could not carry out his officer's oath, he, similarly, could not carry out the oath of office as President of the United States.
33 posted on 03/27/2004 8:42:07 PM PST by mtntop3 ("Those who must know before they believe will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: MJY1288
It is not incredible that Kerry et al are what they claim to hate;

. . . but it is incredible that they are so blatantly and arrogantly - pompously and precisely, what they claim to hate.

In a child's wisdom, we nailed that behavior with the taunting chant; "I know you are; but what am I'

34 posted on 03/27/2004 8:45:04 PM PST by cricket (The Democrats and the terrorists have a common enemy. . .)
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To: arasina
Today - On Clarke, Kerry said: "Every time somebody comes up and says something that this White House doesn't like, they don't answer the questions about it or show you the truth about it. They go into character assassination mode."



But John (the saint)Kerry would NEVER even attack, much less assasinate anyone's character, now would he? I wonder how much more in taxes he will expect the Heinz company to shell out?
35 posted on 03/27/2004 8:45:47 PM PST by Just Lori (I used to be a Democrat. Now, I'm an American!)
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To: cricket
LOL, very true
36 posted on 03/27/2004 8:52:39 PM PST by MJY1288 (When Faced With a Choice as Simple as Night or Day, John Kerry Chooses Dusk and Dawn)
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To: mtntop3
Although I have seen info that he was release from his reserve obligation in 1978, I think he actually was not in the reserves at this time. I don't know how, but I think I read that such was the case.
37 posted on 03/27/2004 9:39:44 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
He also used the phrase "Benedict Arnold" repeatedly when talking about outsourcing.

There's something deeply guilt-ridden in that psyche.
38 posted on 03/27/2004 11:26:37 PM PST by Piranha
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To: CMailBag
I see you beat me by about 4 hours. Oh well...you snooze, you lose.
39 posted on 03/27/2004 11:27:17 PM PST by Piranha
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To: mtntop3
Even if Kerry spoke against the assassination proposal, he was still bound by his oath as a Commissioned Officer in the U. S. Navy (being at that time in the Reserve) to report these assassination discussions to the Government.

Maybe he did. Sounds to me like Kerry was in Cointelpro. That would really frost his base.
40 posted on 03/28/2004 2:05:04 AM PST by Iwo Jima
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