Why Lie About This, Senator? (Rush on Kerry's Kansas City VVAW lies)

Rush Limbaugh Show ^ | March 23rd, 2004 | Rush Limbaugh

[river rat]

I haven't heard that version...and I'm sure there are enough guys from that organization that will provide SEVERAL versions...

One guy on TV earlier this evening -- said the fellow that brought up the idea was "hooted down" and ignored...

I'd need to see proof of more than that to get excited..

The one "fact" that does disturb me - is that Kerry first denied he was at that meeting... This alone leads me to believe that he has something pretty awful to hide, or he's too damned stupid to realize that the truth will come out in a situation like this...

We'll see.
Semper Fi

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

Kerry lies for the same reason that Clinton lied--it works!

[Sabertooth]

I haven't heard that version...and I'm sure there are enough guys from that organization that will provide SEVERAL versions...

The account I gave is from Gerald Nicosia, Kerry's sympathetic biographer.

One guy on TV earlier this evening -- said the fellow that brought up the idea was "hooted down" and ignored...

That was Randy Barnes, who's working on his third or fourth version of events (he gave two tonight, apparently) since this story started breaking.

John Gibson, interviewing a VVAW member who was at the 1971 KC meeting on Fox just moments ago, asked if Kerry was there. The gentleman said he did not remember Kerry being at the meeting at all.

But Gibson's redirect won the day. Gibson outlined the Phoenix Program (a military operation aimed at knocking off North Vietnamese leaders) and talked about Scott Camil's suggestion that VVAW pursue a domestic Phoenix operation to kill US Senators supporting the war. Gibson asked the vet (I didn't catch his name) how Kerry reacted to the plan. The vet said Kerry didn't like the plan and loudly argued against it. He thereby accidentally proved that Kerry was there at the meeting, and that he (the vet Gibson was interviewing) was not telling the truth when he said he did not recall Kerry being at the meeting at all. He did recall Kerry's presence enough to remember details about the argument, he just lied about it when asked directly earlier in the inverview.

Curious, no? Is Kerry asking veterans to go to bat for him and lie to the press about that meeting and his attendance? It sure looks like it.

Now why would he do that?

Posted by B. Preston at 06:06 PM

Documents reveal FBI surveillance of Kerry in early 1970s
KMSB, AZ - 6 hours ago
... A second confidential source" reported that in a university speech, Kerry "related his ... opener and had a piece of tape over the top," Randy Barnes, who headed ...

Documents reveal FBI surveillance of Kerry in early 1970s
CNN - 7 hours ago
... A second confidential source" reported that in a university speech, Kerry "related his ... opener and had a piece of tape over the top," Randy Barnes, who headed ...

Documents reveal FBI surveillance of Kerry
CNN - 14 hours ago
... A second confidential source" reported that in a university speech, Kerry "related his ... opener and had a piece of tape over the top," Randy Barnes, who headed ...

Documents reveal FBI surveillance of Kerry in early 1970s
CNN International, World - 11 hours ago
... A second confidential source" reported that in a university speech, Kerry "related his ... opener and had a piece of tape over the top," Randy Barnes, who headed ...

FBI followed Kerry's every public move
ShortNews.com - 9 hours ago
... Kerry wasn't alone - Kansas City Chapter head Randy Barnes said all his mail during that time was opened with a letter opener and resealed with tape.

Kerry hedges on 1971 KC meeting
Kansas City Star (subscription), MO - Mar 19, 2004
... Another veteran, Randy Barnes of Kansas City, said Hurley had contacted him but did ... Veterans Against the War correspondence make clear that Kerry was active in ...

Kerry hedges on '71 KC meeting
Kansas City Star (subscription), MO - Mar 20, 2004
... Another veteran, Randy Barnes of Kansas City, said Hurley had contacted him but did ... Veterans Against the War correspondence make clear that Kerry was active in ...

Kerry hedges on 1971 KC meeting
Centre Daily Times, PA - Mar 19, 2004
... Another veteran, Randy Barnes of Kansas City, said Hurley had contacted him but did ... Veterans Against the War correspondence make clear that Kerry was active in ...

Kerry hedges on 1971 KC meeting
Biloxi Sun Herald, MS - Mar 19, 2004
... Another veteran, Randy Barnes of Kansas City, said Hurley had contacted him but did ... Veterans Against the War correspondence make clear that Kerry was active in ...

Anti-war activist acquitted of plotting violence at GOP ...
WorldNetDaily - Mar 18, 2004
... 12-15, 1971. However, Randy Barnes of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, disputes that account. Barnes participated in the meeting and ...

The New York Sun | March 15, 2004
Frontpagemag.com - Mar 15, 2004
... But according to the current head of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, Randy Barnes, Mr. Kerry,who was then 27,was at the meeting, voted against the plot, and then ...

'71 anti-war session: Was Kerry in KC?
Kansas City Star, MO - Mar 13, 2004
... you're defeating your purpose, and I quit,' ” Randy Barnes said Friday. A Kansas Citian and an active volunteer this year for Kerry's presidential run ...

NY Sun: Kerry Quit Anti-War Group After Assassination Vote
NewsMax.com - Mar 12, 2004
... But according to the current head of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, Randy Barnes, Mr. Kerry, who was then 27, was at the meeting, voted against the plot, and ...

Man who plotted murder of congressmen offered job
WorldNetDaily - Mar 14, 2004
... 12-15, 1971. However, Randy Barnes of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, disputes that account. Narnes participated in the meeting and ...

[river rat]

Oh my .....I had no idea it was this extensive, documented and BRAGGED ABOUT to this day!

This could and should become pretty difficult for Kerry to explain....
This sounds more like a criminal conspriacy than a few angry grunts talking through their beer.

Looks like a possible explanation of F'ing Kerry's vacation this past week....
He's got this problem, and it looks leggy from here.

Thanks for the links....but now I'm late to bed, and I have a range date tomorrow morning...


Semper Fi

[Lion Den Dan]

As much as I disagree with Kerry and his anti-American VVAW jerks --- I understand perfectly the "assassination" scenario that too much is being made of..================

How many ticked off vets put the assassination scheme to a vote of a group of peers. That seems a conspiracy to me and a serious crime for mere mortals. The elite, well???

[Las Vegas Dave]

John effin' Kerry also lied when he bought the LARGE size jock strap, Teresa said he really wears an extra-extra-small!!!
< /humor >

[XHogPilot]

Excellent summary Sabertooth.

[MeekOneGOP]

Thanks for posting and for the ping ! ...

[GailA]

RUSH bump

[Dante3]

Kerry obviously has a lot to cover up. As for him not recalling being at that meeting -- how many meetings has he attended where assassination of senators was discussed.

It might be time to reopen the assassination attempt on Stennis (as posted on another thread).

[sr4402]

You folks don't understand what this means! If Kerry was there (and the FBI files prove it), then Kerry had a responsibility to contact the authorities about the assassination plot!

Kerry has consistently avoided responsibility. If he knew about atrocities in Vietnam, he had a responsibility to name names and testify in court. The same is true here. If he witnessed assassination plots, he had a responsibility to call the police, the FBI, or whatever authority he could find and report the names of who said it. It doesn't matter if he resigned. It doesn't matter if he disagreed. But he didn't go to the authorities! The man just cannot handle responsibility and doesn't respect authority.

[Grampa Dave]

"Did Kerry have an obligation to tell the authorities that a faction of his group wanted to kill US Senators?"

If he witnessed the so called War Crimes that he claimed to have seen in Nam, as a US Naval Officer, he committed severe crimes in not bringing this up to the officers in command.

Is John F'onda al Querry the real Manchurian candidate that we have been concerned about?

John F'onda al Querry is a very scary and dangerous person. If he is elected, we can say goodbye to America.

[Dante3]

Well stated.

[onyx]

Rush has it right.
Fox ought to give him his own TV show.
Beg him til he agree$.

[Richard Kimball]

Remember all the jokes about Reagan's memory?

[Victoria Delsoul]

There's got to be some sort of arrogance associated with this that makes you think that even if you are discovered to be a liar, that it isn't any big deal, it's none of your business anyway, I didn't do anything wrong, so I may as well not have been there in the first place.

Yeah, or maybe, even if I was there, my mind and soul weren't, so I really wasn't there.

[MeekOneGOP]

Rush has it right. Fox ought to give him his own TV show. Beg him til he agree$.

Oh, THAT would be great ! A two-fer: We get to SEE Rush daily AND get to
hear the LIBS howl about it !

And since he left ESPN, he should have the time ...

[onyx]

I'd love to see him have his own Fox show;
at least thru the election.
Were I Murdock, I'd let Rush name his price.

[ChevyZ28]

Your forgot rule #3:

Admit nothing, deny everything, and make a counter allegation.

[MeekOneGOP]

Rush would ask plenty, too ! And Murdock could pay it too ...