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Man Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years
News.Scotsman.com ^ | March 23, 2004 | Will Batchelor

Posted on 03/23/2004 12:02:50 PM PST by Travis McGee

Man Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

A man who stabbed to death an armed intruder at his home was jailed for eight years today.

Carl Lindsay, 25, answered a knock at his door in Salford, Greater Manchester, to find four men armed with a gun.

When the gang tried to rob him he grabbed a samurai sword and stabbed one of them, 37-year-old Stephen Swindells, four times.

Mr Swindells, of Salford, was later found collapsed in an alley and died in hospital.

Lindsay, of Walkden, was found guilty of manslaughter following a three-week trial at Manchester Crown Court.

He was sentenced to eight years’ imprisonment.

After the case, Detective Chief Inspector Sam Haworth said: “Four men, including the victim, had set out purposefully to rob Carl Lindsay and this intent ultimately led to Stephen Swindells’ death.

“I believe the sentences passed today reflect the severity of the circumstances.”

Three other men were charged with robbery and firearms offences in connection with the incident, which took place in February last year.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; crime; england; guns; sword
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To: Travis McGee; DTA; dennisw
Want to give the Greater Manchester Police an earful? Here's their complaint form online:

http://www.gmp.police.uk/servlet/ComplaintForm

It might do no good whatsoever, but at least it'll make US feel a little better.

41 posted on 03/23/2004 2:07:31 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Why doesn't the Conservative party run on a platform to pardon everyone convicted of using deadly or disproportionate force in self-defense?

Because the tories are wussies. All they want is to get back into power. They think abandoning Margaret Thatcher and attacking Blair over Iraq is going to win them votes. They aren't interested in principles like "individual rights" or "self-defense." It's very sad.

42 posted on 03/23/2004 2:09:31 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: ought-six
You would hope so wouldn't you. I know I would be one of the first screaming revolution.
43 posted on 03/23/2004 2:16:09 PM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: dirtboy
I have never, and will never, visit the other side of the Atlantic. Why would I want to give people who spit on us my money? There is plenty of history and geological beauty right here in the US, more than one could see in their lifetime.
44 posted on 03/23/2004 2:17:46 PM PST by Indie (We don't need no steenkin' experts!)
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To: Travis McGee
Dear Lord.

I used to work with an Englishman from Yorkshire who, upon completing an apprenticeship, received his papers as a Freeman. In that document it stated that, as a freeman, he had the right to "march upon the village commons with bayonet affixed".

As antiquated as it sounds, that paper still truly defines the difference between a freeman and all others.

Perhaps it is time for men in the land of my forebearers to once again "march upon the Commons with bayonets affixed".

45 posted on 03/23/2004 2:18:56 PM PST by LTCJ (Gridlock '05 - the Lesser of Three Evils.)
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To: Travis McGee
Bump.
46 posted on 03/23/2004 2:19:14 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: monday
It's worse even that that.

I have a small four blade (canopener, bottleopener, etc.) red Victorinox pocketknife that, if carried in London, would earn the bearer TWO YEARS' prison. Just for possession!

I have photos of public service ads (in London) advertising harsh sentences for anyone owning and carrying one.

The entire concept, to me, is unimaginable. How far the stiff-upper-lipped Brits have fallen.
47 posted on 03/23/2004 2:23:16 PM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: Travis McGee
A DRUG dealer killed a man with a 12-inch sword after a gang of armed robbers slipped into his flat, a court was told.

And now you know the REST of the story!

48 posted on 03/23/2004 2:23:48 PM PST by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: Agnes Heep; dirtboy
This incident took place in Manchester, which I thought is in England.
49 posted on 03/23/2004 2:26:02 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Minister for the Conversion of Hardened Sinners,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: dirtboy
wait, wait. Is it weanies as in weak, or weenies as in wee-little pukes??
50 posted on 03/23/2004 2:26:07 PM PST by Porterville (Did I spell something wrong? Does that make you mad? Poor baby.)
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To: Travis McGee
Absolutely sickening.

It's no wonder people are embracing Islam over there...they figure they'll be more free.

51 posted on 03/23/2004 2:36:58 PM PST by B Knotts (Salve!)
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England has been going soft in the outhouse for years ...Thank the Valley Forge boys for getting us out from under that den of iniquity and " accent " .
52 posted on 03/23/2004 2:41:01 PM PST by sushiman
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To: Travis McGee
BTTT
53 posted on 03/23/2004 2:45:31 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Space Available for Rent or Lease by the Day, Week, or Month. Reasonable Rates. Inquire within.)
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To: xm177e2
This quote from your Free Republic home page cracks me up, especially considering who said it.

"George Orwell once remarked that political thought, especially on the left, is a sort of masturbation fantasy in which the world of fact hardly matters. That's true, unfortunately, and it's part of the reason that our society lacks a genuine, responsible, serious left-wing movement.
"--Avram Noam Chomsky, 1969

54 posted on 03/23/2004 2:49:27 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Travis McGee
WTF?!
55 posted on 03/23/2004 2:57:55 PM PST by Ben Chad
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To: Travis McGee
"In the end, there can be only ONE"

Highlander BUMP

56 posted on 03/23/2004 3:00:46 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: Travis McGee
Was it an assault sword?
57 posted on 03/23/2004 3:05:21 PM PST by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: Travis McGee
The drug dealer chases the one without a gun into an alley, he stabs the defenseless robber to death. The robber is dead and the dealer is doing time. Another happy ending.
58 posted on 03/23/2004 3:12:55 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Travis McGee
Just about all my ancestors came from Scotland. Sort of makes me not as proud as I once was.

Some time ago, I saw a Scotsman interviewed on a local tv show. He was the manager of a golf course in the same city. This man was really angry at what had become of Scotland. He blamed labor unions although I am sure there is more to it than that.

I do wonder if the fact the man was a drug dealer might have had some impact on the sentence.

59 posted on 03/23/2004 3:22:55 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Pyro7480
This incident took place in Manchester, which I thought is in England.

I believe you're right; mea culpa.

60 posted on 03/23/2004 3:24:26 PM PST by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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