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Man Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years
News.Scotsman.com ^ | March 23, 2004 | Will Batchelor

Posted on 03/23/2004 12:02:50 PM PST by Travis McGee

Man Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

A man who stabbed to death an armed intruder at his home was jailed for eight years today.

Carl Lindsay, 25, answered a knock at his door in Salford, Greater Manchester, to find four men armed with a gun.

When the gang tried to rob him he grabbed a samurai sword and stabbed one of them, 37-year-old Stephen Swindells, four times.

Mr Swindells, of Salford, was later found collapsed in an alley and died in hospital.

Lindsay, of Walkden, was found guilty of manslaughter following a three-week trial at Manchester Crown Court.

He was sentenced to eight years’ imprisonment.

After the case, Detective Chief Inspector Sam Haworth said: “Four men, including the victim, had set out purposefully to rob Carl Lindsay and this intent ultimately led to Stephen Swindells’ death.

“I believe the sentences passed today reflect the severity of the circumstances.”

Three other men were charged with robbery and firearms offences in connection with the incident, which took place in February last year.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; crime; england; guns; sword
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Put a fork in England, it's done.
1 posted on 03/23/2004 12:02:52 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee

BANG!


2 posted on 03/23/2004 12:03:54 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
I used to want to travel to Scotland. Now I don't, not until the weenies make it legal to defend yourself.
3 posted on 03/23/2004 12:04:18 PM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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To: Travis McGee
I think that the English people are suffering from a case of clinical mass hysteria. Regrettably, people trying merely to stay alive (the most basic part of being left alone, which is itself a basic human right) are being victimized by the anti-gun, the-state-is-always-right attitude. I pity them.
4 posted on 03/23/2004 12:05:37 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Travis McGee
This is absolute,total madness.The guy should have been given a reward for taking another slimebag off the streets.
5 posted on 03/23/2004 12:06:01 PM PST by Mears (The Killer Queen--caviar and cigarettes)
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To: Travis McGee
The BBC still has the "initial story" up:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2811145.stm

Saturday, 1 March, 2003, 14:04 GMT

Man charged with stabbing murder

A man was due to appear in court on Saturday accused of murdering a 33-year-old man in Greater Manchester.
Stephen Swindells was found in a car park near Gore Street, in Pendleton, Salford, after being stabbed on Thursday night.

Mr Swindells, of Rockley Gardens, Higher Broughton, died from his injuries in Hope Hospital.

Carl Lindsay, 24, of Sandwich Walk, Walkden, was due to appear before Salford magistrates on Saturday charged with his murder.

A 31-year-old man from Farnworth and an 18-year-old man from Bolton have been released without charge.
6 posted on 03/23/2004 12:06:02 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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“I believe the sentences passed today reflect the severity of the circumstances.”

Oh, it reflects the severity of the circumstances, all right. It reflects just how friggin' deranged your country has become that you imprison a man with cajones enough to defend his home with a sword against a man with a gun intent on robbing him in his home. Of course, the law-abiding citizen had to use a sword because you disarmed him long ago, but the crooks still had a gun. But I doubt you'd ever ponder the implications of THAT.

7 posted on 03/23/2004 12:06:44 PM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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So... I suppose his choices were to be dead or in jail?
It is difficult to imagine that the folks over there are our ancestors. Easily explains why we broke away.
8 posted on 03/23/2004 12:07:09 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Travis McGee
DISGUSTING. I notice they didn't mention the sentence for the other three. I'll bet they got time served for their emotional distress at seeing one of their own die.
9 posted on 03/23/2004 12:08:27 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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"Detective Chief Inspector Sam Haworth said: “Four men, including the victim, had set out purposefully to rob Carl Lindsay and this intent ultimately led to Stephen Swindells’ death.

..“I believe the sentences passed today reflect the severity of the circumstances.”

The Cheshire Cat would be proud of that logic.

10 posted on 03/23/2004 12:09:33 PM PST by elbucko
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To: Travis McGee
This man ought to get a medal for bringing a sword to a gunfight--and coming out on top.

Imagine how badly things could have gone in Australia, where swords are illegal.

11 posted on 03/23/2004 12:10:43 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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For later.
12 posted on 03/23/2004 12:13:10 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen (R.I.P. Harpseal)
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To: Travis McGee
What a travesty that this guy is charged with murder, and the accomplices that helped to get their partner in crime killed walk free. England and all it's territories are ripe for the picking for the islamofascists.
13 posted on 03/23/2004 12:13:37 PM PST by Space Wrangler
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To: Travis McGee
We better pray that this does not happen here in the Good old USA
14 posted on 03/23/2004 12:14:14 PM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: Travis McGee
So terribly sad...and to think that the Sun used to never set on the English Empire. They will find that the freedoms so easily given away will be near impossible to regain. Sometimes I feel we in the US are very alone in our protection of freedoms, and there are so many in this country ready to throw it away with both hands.
15 posted on 03/23/2004 12:15:27 PM PST by pepperdog (God Bless and Protect our Troops)
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To: Naspino
I'll bet they [the criminals] got time served for their emotional distress at seeing one of their own die.

They are probably going to get disability payments due to their " psychological trauma".

This isn't the England that battled the Nazi's in the skies, outnumbered 3 to 1, in the Summer of 1940.

16 posted on 03/23/2004 12:16:32 PM PST by elbucko
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To: Travis McGee
From "This Is Lancashire" online:

First published on Wednesday 10 March 2004:
Sword man got threat over phone, court told
A DRUG dealer robbed at gunpoint was told on the phone a month earlier that he was "going to get it and they would take his stuff", a murder trial was told.

Carl Lindsay, aged 25, was with a friend, Adam Prince, when he answered his mobile phone, the jury at Manchester Crown Court heard. Mr Prince said Lindsay could not identify the caller.

Around a month later, in February last year, Mr Prince and his friend Darren Pettigrew went to Lindsay's flat in Hollyoake Road, Walkden, for drugs.

Three men slipped in behind them and robbed Lindsay of cash.

But after two guns were pointed at him, Lindsay allegedly took out a Samurai sword, held it shoulder high and chased the trio out of his flat aiming blows at them.

Lindsay has pleaded not guilty to murdering the alleged gunman, Stephen Swindells, aged 33, of Harwood Court, Salford.

Mr Swindells had four main wounds, all inflicted from behind. An artery was severed causing massive blood loss and death.

Lindsay is in the dock with Darren Ashton, aged 29, of Coniston Avenue, Little Hulton; David Ryan, aged 30, of Culverwell Drive, Salford; and alleged getaway driver Michael Page, aged 25, of Trenthamlowas, Salford.

Ashton, Ryan and Page all deny robbing Lindsay of cash and having a self-loading pistol.

Mr Prince said two of the robbers had their jacket hoods up and the gunman wore a balaclava. He did not see the sword hit anyone but two or three blows were quickly aimed before the men were out of his sight.

Mr Prince, questioned by Richard Marks QC, for Lindsay, said the robbers' conduct had been very frightening.

Afterwards, Lindsay looked profoundly shocked and the witness said he saw the blood stains on the sword. In the hallway he saw one of the guns.


First published on Tuesday 09 March 2004:

Sword man killed robber, court hears

A DRUG dealer killed a man with a 12-inch sword after a gang of armed robbers slipped into his flat, a court was told.

Carl Lindsay, aged 25, swung the sword after he was threatened with a self-loading pistol.

Manchester Crown Court was told that Stephen Swindells died after suffering four main wounds, all inflicted from behind. One had severed an artery causing massive blood loss and death.

Lindsay appeared in the dock with three of the alleged robbers, one of them said to have been the get-away driver.

He denies murdering Stephen Swindells, of Harwood Court, Salford.

Three men deny robbing Lindsay. They are Darren Ashton, aged 29, of Coniston Avenue, Little Hulton; David Ryan, aged 30, of Culverwell Drive, Salford; and the driver, Michael Page, aged 25, of Trenthamlowas, Salford.

They also deny having a firearm at the time of the robbery.

Prosecutor Alan Wolstenholme said Lindsay had sold cannabis for some months to callers at his home.

On February 27 last year, two men went there to buy drugs.

Three others - the Crown claim Swindells, Ashton and Ryan - were outside the communal front door.

One asked the pair if they were going to Carl's. They indicated they were and, as the door lock was released by Lindsay, all went inside.

The two customers saw two of the three in the flat. One of them pointed a black handgun at Lindsay who repeatedly told them, "I've got nowt".

There was a scuffle and, with the sword at shoulder height, Lindsay chased the trio out of his flat.

Lindsay later told police he had been the victim of a robbery and had stabbed one of his assailants.

That night, Swindell was found in Broad Street, Salford. Nearby was the abandoned heavily bloodstained get-away car.

Swindell was rushed to hospital but staff were unable to resuscitate him. The cause of death was a 15cm-deep stab wound in his left thigh.

Mr Wolstenholme said the robbers fled with some cash and police found a handgun and a knife in the abandoned car.

17 posted on 03/23/2004 12:17:17 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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It's KOSOVO ON MERSEY

England, you asked for it.
Burning of Churches will follow shortly.

18 posted on 03/23/2004 12:19:39 PM PST by DTA (you ain't seen nothing yet)
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Sick sick sick sick. I'm guessing liberal scum control the UK judiciary.
19 posted on 03/23/2004 12:19:51 PM PST by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: Travis McGee
Bttt for later.
20 posted on 03/23/2004 12:24:59 PM PST by I got the rope
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