***Breaking*** Kerry Continued to Represent the VVAW after November, 1971

WinterSoldier.com ^ | 03/18/2004 | Interesting Times

[Interesting Times]

March 19, 2004 -- **BREAKING** WinterSoldier.com has obtained solid evidence that John Kerry continued to represent the VVAW well after the infamous November 12-15 1971 meeting at which that organization voted on whether to commit political assassinations. See our new "So when did John Kerry leave the VVAW, anyway?" links in the Documents, Film Clips, Audio and Cartoons section.

For example, the New York Times identified Kerry as "spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War" in this article on January 11, 1972. In fact, as late as April 22, 1972, Kerry was still being identified in press reports as a "leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War."

Senator Kerry says he quit the VVAW sometime before November 12, 1971.

Senator Kerry has some explaining to do.

[jrlc]

For what it is worth, Hon is okay with me. He has posted some good material of value on this thread and his positive contributions should be appreciated. The point of this discussion is to demand important questions be answered by Senator Kerry. I believe Hon shares that interest as well. Scott Swett is serving an important purpose in building out www.wintersolder.com -- and I support Scott as well. FR is an exceptional forum and we all owe a great debt to Jim Robinson. Jerome R. Corsi -- "jrlc" on FR.

[Hon]

"You "uncovered the plot?" Won't Nicosia be surprised.
Information about the KC VVAW meeting is available in at least three books, none of which you appear to have written.

Tell us again about the importance of crediting the people who do the work. I could use a laugh."

The nature of this kind of forum requires a little shorthand now and then. In all of my threads about this subject I have credited the sources of the material from top to bottom. (Something wintersoldier.com and you when you post for GOP.USA should get in the habit of doing.)

But if you were actually aware of the material, you would know that neither Nicosia nor Stacewicz place Kerry at these discussions, so they were (effectively) buried in the book and elsewhere. In fact, Nicosia went out of his way to say he had quit in July. (This turned out to be true.) So yes, I uncovered a lot of this material. What have you uncovered? LOL

[Hon]

"For what it is worth, Hon is okay with me. He has posted some good material of value on this thread and his positive contributions should be appreciated. The point of this discussion is to demand important questions be answered by Senator Kerry. I believe Hon shares that interest as well. Scott Swett is serving an important purpose in building out www.wintersolder.com -- and I support Scott as well. FR is an exceptional forum and we all owe a great debt to Jim Robinson. Jerome R. Corsi -- "jrlc" on FR."

Thanks. And I agree with your comments about wintersoldier and FR. (Though I still wonder why some of the material, such at Lipscomb's latest article are posted there and not at FR.)

As I have posted privately to IT, all of this could have been easily avoided with a little more openess on his part. The irony is that I was in fact going to bat for you here--though I didn't know it.

[jrlc]

Hon -- your research is good and appreciated. You are clearly working hard to dig into the facts.

[Hon]

Sorry--a typo: Nicosia went out of his way to say he had quit in July. (This turned out to be UNtrue.)

[Hon]

Thanks again. I'm not sure what you have dug up for the wintersoldier site, but there are some great things there, and I suspect you are responsible for some if not much of them. Let's talk privately when you get a chance.

[jrlc]

I look forward to speaking with you Hon. I have made a few contributions to www.wintersolder.com -- but the credit for the heavy lifting there goes to Scott Swett. jrlc.

[wingster]

"This guy is hilarious!

Turn him over - he's done!

4. MORE. YEARS."

Not so fast! I'm sure that Al Qaeda has plenty of campaign contributions to pump into Kerry's campaign yet. LOL

Besides, just wait, Viacom or some rich individual, hello Soros, will come up with some sort of plan to reward mindless kiddies to go to the polls in November. I happen to think this election is going to be more of a wipeout than many think, in Bush's favor. BUT, I am not counting a thing until it happens. Plenty of corrupt activities yet for completely moral-less libs to undertake.

[Bob J]

Do you know who MOJO is?

[ravingnutter]

I have about 10 pitchers of beer on just this scenario.

And I have 10 pitchers of beer on Hillary going to prison if she even dares to run...

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton surely hopes that history isn't repeating itself with the raid conducted by the FBI last month on another warehouse; this one chock full of documents from her 2000 Senatorial campaign.

"The documents were seized in a May 30 raid of a California storage facility containing documents of Peter Paul, the entrepreneur who funded Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign with over $2 million dollars in direct, in-kind contributions which were never reported by Hillary Clinton or her Senate campaign, as required by law," revealed the public interest law firm Judicial Watch in a press release late last week.

FBI Raids Hillary's Warehouse in Whitewater Deja Vu

The Bush administration has quietly done an about-face on allegations that New York Sen. Hillary Clinton broke campaign finance laws in 2000 - with the Justice Department preparing to extradite one-time Clinton fund-raiser Peter Paul to the U.S. as part of a plea deal for his testimony. The sudden action on Paul's case comes just weeks after reports surfaced that former Hollywood fund-raiser Aaron Tonken has supplied damaging testimony about Hillary Clinton's fund-raising practices.

"I'm a star witness against President and Mrs. Clinton," Tonken claimed in a recent report on his case in Vanity Fair magazine, explaining that prosecutors wanted his testimony about" "fundraising activities that I've done on behalf of the Clintons." The exact nature of Tonken's allegations against Sen. Clinton remains secret, the magazine said. But the celebrity moneyman is known to have been involved in the August 2000 fund raiser that is at the heart of Peter Paul's allegations.

The End of Hillary Clinton

Peter F. Paul, the flamboyant Hollywood entrepreneur who says Hillary Rodham Clinton has hidden almost $2 million of in-kind contributions he made to her campaign in 2000, is back from Brazil and promising to raise a ruckus about the New York senator as he fights bizarre securities and bank-fraud charges on which he's been indicted. Aaron Tonken, a political operative in Hollywood and a former protégé of Paul under indictment for a variety of alleged sharp deals with the rich and famous, also is promising to tell everything he knows about behind-the-scenes shenanigans of Clinton and many others.

Clintons' Fall Guy May Turn the Tables (Peter Paul)

[Criminal Number 18F]

Nicosia went out of his way to say he had quit in July

Nicosia now says he didn't know that at the time. I have his book which has some material in there that is fairly damning to Kerry (I'm sure you do as well, as it was a good seller issued recently. 2001 IIRC, and still in print).

It's clear from the tenor of the book that Nicosia is in full sympathy with the movement. This also shows in that he forwarded his FOIA documents to the Kerry campaign rather than going public with them. But I think it is interesting that Nicosia is not spinning, now that he's cornered on the issue. That makes me think he probably didn't lie in his earlier statement, he was just wrong about it.

Scott is doing yeoman work with wintersoldier.com. I don't see where it interferes with the NY Sun in any way, and I commend Jerome Corsi for his hard work in this -- as well as his calm and equable approach. I too would like to see a lasting archive of VVAW material on the web. Much of the public image of the veteran and the military, particularly in the leftish Northeast, flows from the protests of the sixties and the men behind them. My personal opinion, often stated here, is that the public image is a falsehood that was perpetrated by impostors, and I'm interested in evidence that confirms or falsifies my hypothesis. The more we know about those turbulent times the better off we are.

As far as the partisan aspects are concerned, we are in the middle of a political campaign, which is what has provided the impetus for a reexamination of these long-dormant files and stale ideas. We can't but expect matters that bear on character, integrity, and leadership to become political footballs.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[doug from upland]

Thanks. I'm glad you caught Kevin James sitting in for Al. Kevin was particularly intrigued to here that there is a redacted FBI file placing Kerry at the meeting. Slowly, slowly this is building up critical mass, and then.........................nuclear KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

[afraidfortherepublic]

Hurry up and get this blasted all over the air. I can't stand the suspense -- or will this all be brushed under the rug, like Clinton's transgressions and crimes?

[doug from upland]

Lipscomb has been on a few talk shows and he was on FOX News on Sunday. Mainstream reporters are looking at this. I don't believe it can be hidden much longer.

[Enduring Freedom]

Confidence, not arrogance!

We need to rally the troops and let them know Qaerry can be beaten.

[Terriergal]

It's actually whiteface.

I thought it was called blackface because it was how they used to illustrate Black people long ago.

[Terriergal]

One would have to ask, where did they get the blood? maybe we can get PETA after them.

[Terriergal]

Qaerry

That's excellent. Qaerry or Qerry. Jan Ibn Qaerry.

[PhilDragoo]

Kerry in Paris during filming of "Springtime for Ho"

Good list. You could add:

o Kerry and the VVAW supported the Vietcong "peace proposals" designed to facilitate a North Vietnamese victory over South Vietnam.

o During the Vietnam war, the Soviet KGB ran a huge propaganda effort to manufacture fake evidence of American atrocities and provide it to "peace groups" in Europe and the U.S. Meanwhile, back in Hanoi, American POWs were tortured by their captors. Why? To get them to sign documents confessing to war crimes.

This was a coordinated effort.

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Joint Treaty of Peace

Between the People of The United States of America, South Vietnam and North Vietnam

Preamble

Be it known that the American people and the Vietnamese people are not enemies. The war is carried out in the names of the people of the United States and South Vietnam, but without our consent. It destroys the land and people of Vietnam. It drains America of its resources, its youth, and its honor.

We hereby agree to end the war on the following terms, so that both peoples can live under the joy of independence and can devote themselves to building a society based on human equality and respect for the earth. In rejecting the war we also reject all forms of racism and discrimination against people based on color, class, sex, national origin, and ethnic grouping which form the basis of the war policies, past and present, of the United States government.

Terms of Peace Treaty

1. The Americans agree to immediate and total withdrawal from Vietnam, and publicly to set the date by which all U.S. military forces will be removed.

2. The Vietnamese pledge that as soon as the U. S. government publicly sets a date for total withdrawal: they will enter discussions to secure the release of all American prisoners, including pilots captured while bombing North Vietnam.

3. There will be an immediate cease-fire between U. S. forces and those led by the Provisional Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam.

4. They will enter discussions on the procedures to guarantee the safety of all withdrawing troops.

5. The Americans pledge to end the imposition of Thieu-Ky-Khiem on the people of South Vietnam in order to insure their right to self-determination and so that all political prisoners can be released.

6. The Vietnamese pledge to form a provisional coalition government to organize democratic elections. All parties agree to respect the results of elections in which all South Vietnamese can participate freely without the presence of any foreign troops.

7. The South Vietnamese pledge to enter discussion of procedures to guarantee the safety and political freedom of those South Vietnamese who have collaborated with the U. S. or with U. S. -supported regimes.

8. The Americans and Vietnamese agree to respect the independence, peace and neutrality of Laos and Cambodia in accord with the 1954 and 1962 Geneva Conventions and not to interfere in the internal affairs of these two countries.

9. Upon these points of agreement, we pledge to end the war and resolve all other questions in the spirit of self-determination and mutual respect for the independence and political freedom of the people of Vietnam and the United States.

Pledge

By ratifying this agreement, we pledge to take whatever actions are appropriate to implement the terms of the People to people Treaty and to insure its acceptance by the government of the United States.

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Negotiating with the Viet Cong in Paris

In 1971, John Kerry attended a meeting with the Northern Liberation Front of Vietnam (commonly called the Viet Cong) and negotiated a "Peoples Peace Treaty" (the exact wording of which is at the link). Since this was clearly not an official negotiaiton, and had no influence upon what the US military nor the Viet Cong actually did, he was not charged with a violation of the Logan Act (which prohibits US citizens from negotiating with foreign powers). But, our soldiers & POWs heard about it. The anti-war efforts contributed to the decline in morale of our forces, and contributed to over 380 reported "fraggings" (in which troops killed superior officers whom they felt were putting them at too much risk).

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February 26, 2004, 8:28 a.m.

Kerry’s Soviet Rhetoric
The Vietnam-era antiwar movement got its spin from the Kremlin.

By Ion Mihai Pacepa

Part of Senator John Kerry's appeal to a certain segment of Americans is his Vietnam-veteran status coupled with his antiwar activism during that period. On April 12, 1971, Kerry told the U.S. Congress that American soldiers claimed to him that they had, "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned on the power, cut off limbs, blew up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."

The exact sources of that assertion should be tracked down. Kerry also ought to be asked who, exactly, told him any such thing, and what it was, exactly, that they said they did in Vietnam. Statutes of limitation now protect these individuals from prosecution for any such admissions. Or did Senator Kerry merely hear allegations of that sort as hearsay bandied about by members of antiwar groups (much of which has since been discredited)? To me, this assertion sounds exactly like the disinformation line that the Soviets were sowing worldwide throughout the Vietnam era. KGB priority number one at that time was to damage American power, judgment, and credibility. One of its favorite tools was the fabrication of such evidence as photographs and "news reports" about invented American war atrocities. These tales were purveyed in KGB-operated magazines that would then flack them to reputable news organizations. Often enough, they would be picked up. News organizations are notoriously sloppy about verifying their sources. All in all, it was amazingly easy for Soviet-bloc spy organizations to fake many such reports and spread them around the free world.

As a spy chief and a general in the former Soviet satellite of Romania, I produced the very same vitriol Kerry repeated to the U.S. Congress almost word for word and planted it in leftist movements throughout Europe. KGB chairman Yuri Andropov managed our anti-Vietnam War operation. He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between America and European public opinion through our disinformation operations. Vietnam was, he once told me, "our most significant success."

The KGB organized a vitriolic conference in Stockholm to condemn America's aggression, on March 8, 1965, as the first American troops arrived in south Vietnam. On Andropov's orders, one of the KGB's paid agents, Romesh Chandra, the chairman of the KGB-financed World Peace Council, created the Stockholm Conference on Vietnam as a permanent international organization to aid or to conduct operations to help Americans dodge the draft or defect, to demoralize its army with anti-American propaganda, to conduct protests, demonstrations, and boycotts, and to sanction anyone connected with the war. It was staffed by Soviet-bloc undercover intelligence officers and received about $15 million annually from the Communist Party's international department — on top of the WPC's $50 million a year, all delivered in laundered cash dollars. Both groups had Soviet-style secretariats to manage their general activities, Soviet-style working committees to conduct their day-to-day operations, and Soviet-style bureaucratic paperwork. The quote from Senator Kerry is unmistakable Soviet-style sloganeering from this period. I believe it is very like a direct quote from one of these organizations' propaganda sheets.

The KGB campaign to assault the U.S. and Europe by means of disinformation was more than just a few Cold War dirty tricks. The whole foreign policy of the Soviet-bloc states, indeed its whole economic and military might, revolved around the larger Soviet objective of destroying America from within through the use of lies. The Soviets saw disinformation as a vital tool in the dialectical advance of world Communism.

The Stockholm conference held annual international meetings up to 1972. In its five years of existence it created thousands of "documentary" materials printed in all the major Western languages describing the "abominable crimes" committed by American soldiers against civilians in Vietnam, along with counterfeited pictures. All these materials were manufactured by the KGB's disinformation department. I would print up these materials in hundreds of thousands of copies each.

The Romanian DIE (Ceausescu's secret police) was tasked to distribute these KGB-concocted "incriminating documents" all over Western Europe. And ordinary people often bought it hook, line, and sinker. "Even Attila the Hun looks like an angel when compared to these Americans," a West German businessman reprovingly told me after reading one such report.

The Italian, Greek, and Spanish Communist parties serviced by Bucharest were much affected by this material and their activists regularly distributed translations. They also handed them out to the participants at anti-American demonstrations around the world.

Many "Ban-the-Bomb" and anti-nuclear movements were KGB-funded operations, too. I can no longer look at a petition for world peace or other supposedly noble cause, particularly of the anti-American variety, without thinking to myself, "KGB."

In 1978, when I broke with Communism, my DIE was propagating the line that Washington's adventure in Vietnam had wasted over $200 trillion. This waste, we warned darkly, would soon generate European inflation, recession, and unemployment.

As far as I'm concerned, the KGB gave birth to the antiwar movement in America. In 1976, Andropov gave my own Romanian DIE credit for helping his KGB do so.

Leftist intellectuals in America now look to Europe — steeped for years in anti-American propaganda from the Soviet Union — for "a sane and frank European criticism of the Bush administration's war policy." Indeed, anti-Americanism in Europe today is almost as ferocious as it was during Vietnam. France and Germany insist we are torturing the al Qaeda prisoners held at Guantanamo Base. The Mirror, a British newspaper, is confident that President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair were "killing innocents in Afghanistan." The Paris daily Le Monde put Jean Baudrillard on its front page asserting that "the Judeo-Christian West, led by America, not only provoked the [September 11] terrorist attacks, it actually desired them."

In June 2002, a documentary film on "U.S. war crimes" in Afghanistan was shown in the German Bundestag by the crypto-Communist Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS). The film faithfully reincarnated the style of old Soviet-bloc "documentaries" demonizing the U.S. war in Vietnam. According to this 20-minute movie, American soldiers were involved in the torture and murder of some 3,000 Taliban prisoners in the region of Mazar-e-Sharif. One witness in the film even claimed he had seen an American soldier break the neck of one Afghan prisoner and pour acid on others.

During my last meeting with Andropov, he said, wisely, "now all we have to do is to keep the Vietnam-era anti-Americanism alive." Andropov was a shrewd judge of human nature. He understood that in the end our original involvement would be forgotten, and our insinuations would take on a life of their own. He knew well that it was just the way human nature worked.

— Ion Mihai Pacepa was acting chief of Romania's espionage service and national-security adviser to the country's president. He is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc.

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[PhilDragoo]

On Brit Hume's FOX News show, Special Report, I have made note that panel member Mara Liasson - NPR political correspondent LIBERAL - keeps on mentioning Registered's FAKE pic of Kerry/Fonda on the rally stage. I mean, EVERY chance she gets, she makes sure she sticks that in the discussion. Imagine that ! It REALLY must stick in her craw that THAT is the WORST that the 'GOP Attack Machine' can come up with that she can attack. I love it every time I hear her complain about that, hahaha !!

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Comrade Meekski! All Hail the VRWC Attack Machine! Confusion to the Enemy!

Ah boy! Dat Mara! Sheez one hot revolutionary!

But what to do wit dis?

Dis we did not make up!

Dis no "Foto-Shoppe" as you say!

Maybe ve ask dot hottie Mara, "Hey! Fake this, you daughter of Lenin!"