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The End of Hillary Clinton: UPDATE (Peter Paul still alive?) THREAD

Posted on 09/10/2003 7:55:40 AM PDT by jmstein7

Does anybody know if Peter Paul is still alive? Please let us know on this thread -- if so, there are only TWO MORE DAYS until the potential end of Hillary! In case any of you don't know what this is all about, please read the following story:

From Newsmax.com (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/7/122557.shtml)

Justice Department Gives Green Light to Hillary Accuser

The Bush administration has quietly done an about-face on allegations that New York Sen. Hillary Clinton broke campaign finance laws in 2000 - with the Justice Department preparing to extradite one-time Clinton fund-raiser Peter Paul to the U.S. as part of a plea deal for his testimony.

Facing charges of stock fraud in the U.S. himself, Paul told reporters in 2001 that Sen. Clinton failed to report $2 million in in-kind contributions to her 2000 Senate campaign - expenses he incurred producing a gala August 2000 fundraiser-tribute to Bill and Hillary in Los Angeles.

Upon his indictment in June 2001 Paul fled to Brazil, where he was promptly arrested by local law enforcement. He has languished in jail there ever since, trying through his lawyers at Judicial Watch to arrange a plea bargain in exchange for his testimony against the New York Democrat.

In a troubling development, Paul was relocated last month to Brazil's maximum-security state penitentiary in Brasilia, where he was placed in the infamous Block F, also known as the "Corridor of Death."

Judicial Watch complained to the Justice Department last week that Paul's life was now in danger. The group's president, Tom Fitton, warned that 16 prisoners have been killed in Block F in the last year alone and that Americans are not very popular among Brazil's most hardened inmates.

"He's already been threatened," Fitton told the New York Post on Sunday.

"It's a mystery why Paul remained in a Brazil jail even after that country's Supreme Court decided he should be extradited last December," the paper noted. "After that, Fitton says he continually pressured officials at the U.S. Embassy to fetch Paul, but they told him they needed 'official' notice from the Brazilian foreign minister before they could do so."

When official notice finally came in mid-August, however, authorities didn't release Paul. Instead he was transferred to the Brasilia lockup while U.S. authorities declined yet again to intercede on his behalf.

But now, apparently fearing a repeat of what happened to key to Whitewater witness James McDougal, the Bush Justice Department has turned on a dime.

McDougal's testimony was to be the basis for an indictment of Mrs. Clinton in 1998. But he died in prison after guards confiscated his heart medication and threw him into solitary confinement, where he suffred cardiac arrest.

The sudden action on Paul's case comes just weeks after reports surfaced that former Hollywood fund-raiser Aaron Tonken has supplied damaging testimony about Hillary Clinton's fund-raising practices.

"I'm a star witness against President and Mrs. Clinton," Tonken claimed in a recent report on his case in Vanity Fair magazine, explaining that prosecutors wanted his testimony about" "fundraising activities that I've done on behalf of the Clintons."

The exact nature of Tonken's allegations against Sen. Clinton remains secret, the magazine said. But the celebrity moneyman is known to have been involved in the August 2000 fund raiser that is at the heart of Peter Paul's allegations.

Paul's extradition to the U.S. is set for Sept. 12 - "if he lives that long," says the Post.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: New York; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: ar; ca; clinton; clintonscandals; crime; culture; dc; elections; foreign; fr; government; hillary; hitlery; news; ny; tx
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1 posted on 09/10/2003 7:55:40 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: Mich0127
BTTT!
2 posted on 09/10/2003 7:59:36 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Tick tock.
3 posted on 09/10/2003 8:00:16 AM PDT by EggsAckley (......................bemused.........................~</;o))
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To: jmstein7
Well this would be great, but color me skeptical of this actually harming the pants-suited one.
4 posted on 09/10/2003 8:04:28 AM PDT by subterfuge (God will NOT be mocked!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
ping
5 posted on 09/10/2003 8:05:01 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: EggsAckley
If I was Peter Paul, I'd be staying in the corner of my jail cell until they come get me - no meals with the boys, no nothing...I hope he makes it back to the US without being brought back in a box!
6 posted on 09/10/2003 8:05:49 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: jmstein7
Does anybody know if Peter Paul is still alive?

If he is dead, we certainly would have heard about it by now.

He made a big mistake when he fled the country. His failure to immediately waive extradition when he was arrested was bad for him and good for Hillary.

7 posted on 09/10/2003 8:06:07 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: jmstein7
Why was he put in the Brizian Prision in the 1st place?
8 posted on 09/10/2003 8:06:18 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: jmstein7
if so, there are only TWO MORE DAYS until the potential end of Hillary!

If you really believe that then you have seriously understimated this woman and the legions of people whose depth of support for her knows no bottom.

9 posted on 09/10/2003 8:07:44 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (“I don’t recall… I have no memory of that…I simply don’t know” – Hillary Clinton)
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To: Michael.SF.
Why was this thread bumped off FR?
10 posted on 09/10/2003 8:08:59 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: All
bttt
11 posted on 09/10/2003 8:10:38 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: subterfuge
I tend to agree with you. Everything seems to slide off of ole crusty!
12 posted on 09/10/2003 8:11:19 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: jmstein7
Been waiting on this news for quite some time...the original thread that I came across was:

FBI Raids Hillary's Warehouse in Whitewater Deja Vu (June 2002)

Bush originally made a deal with the Dems not to pursue charges against the Clintons in return for getting legislation through. The Dems have clearly reneged on the deal. With speculation that Hillary is going to run for Prez, this is Bush's ace in the hole and a huge warning shot across the bow.

13 posted on 09/10/2003 8:12:05 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
Yeah. A grand jury is in order (just have to get one that will indict).
14 posted on 09/10/2003 8:13:17 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
"Why was this thread bumped off FR?"

Not sure I understand your question. It was posted yesterday, and now here is this one.

15 posted on 09/10/2003 8:13:19 AM PDT by EggsAckley (......................bemused.........................~</;o))
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To: EggsAckley
The Title was under the FR forum, but now it is gone.
16 posted on 09/10/2003 8:14:26 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Pardon me, this will make no difference. None. The Senate would dare not do any more than slap her porculent wrist.
17 posted on 09/10/2003 8:14:41 AM PDT by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: jmstein7
too much being pushed FOR this character.

Where's the "smash machine" of the dnc media crushing the credibility of this threat to hillary?

WATCH OUT! This could be simply a clintonian ruse designed to prove another VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY and gullible conservatives are being set up???!!!
18 posted on 09/10/2003 8:15:31 AM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: theDentist
The Senate? We're not talking about a Senate disciplinary action here, we're talking about an indictment.
19 posted on 09/10/2003 8:16:21 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: Devil_Anse
Pinging you to #13.
20 posted on 09/10/2003 8:16:31 AM PDT by Lucy Lake
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To: grizzfan
Good post, good story, bad news for HilLIARy.
21 posted on 09/10/2003 8:17:24 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
You have to be kidding. Do you really think that breaking some financial laws in ANY WAY is going to damage the Hildabeast? Haven't you learned anything from Der Schlickmeister and his Houdini act? These people are incapable of being tainted by illegality, even if caught red-handed and fat-thighed on TAPE!
22 posted on 09/10/2003 8:17:32 AM PDT by LS
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To: ravingnutter
I believe he made a deal with Hell-R-Eeeeeeeeee.

But I wish I could believe he would suddenly find the gumption to stand up to them after they have thoroughly and totally gone against this deal.

Mutually Assured Destruction seems to be the policy of our alleged two party system.
23 posted on 09/10/2003 8:18:30 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: LS
That remains to be seen -- if he lives the extradition story is sure to be newsworthy.
24 posted on 09/10/2003 8:19:21 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
The fact that they are moving to extradite indicates that the deal is off.
25 posted on 09/10/2003 8:20:36 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: steplock
Not if they grow some testicles and go over the heads of the media.
26 posted on 09/10/2003 8:22:12 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
The exact nature of Tonken's allegations against Sen. Clinton remains secret

Why? Let's hear what he's got before we extradite him or entertain any plea bargains.

27 posted on 09/10/2003 8:22:54 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro
Can't really hear what he's got until he's extradited.
28 posted on 09/10/2003 8:23:42 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
We're not talking about a Senate disciplinary action here, we're talking about an indictment.

And that's all that will happen - talk. If this guy has the goods then let's hear them or this is just ignorant wishful thinking.

29 posted on 09/10/2003 8:24:38 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: jmstein7
Were you around, perhaps in a different manifestation, for the impeachment?

If so, you saw that no matter how good something seemed, for example Ken Starr, it turned out to be a stab in the back or an outright lie. There seems to be an endless number of limbs to the octopus and no will anywhere to uncover the truth.

Please forgive my scepticism, it has become grafted to my bones.
30 posted on 09/10/2003 8:25:18 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: OXENinFLA
Related Stories:

Peter Paul: Hillary Clinton's Torricelli Problem

Donor Peter Paul Nails Clintons – But Will Bush Act?

Peter Paul and Hillary

31 posted on 09/10/2003 8:25:52 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: 1Old Pro
If Hill and Bill don't have him killed in an "accident" first. Wonder if there are any parks with swings and guns down there -- perfect for committing "suicide" :)
32 posted on 09/10/2003 8:26:07 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Unfortunately this story will recieve very little attention from the major media. The teflon Donna will skate on the negative stories about her. It's whether the republicans have the balls to hammer home the truth about her. Their slogan needs to be "when democrats call republicans mean spirited that means that democrats cannot handle the truth".
33 posted on 09/10/2003 8:28:06 AM PDT by doc
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To: jmstein7
As with all allegations levelled against the Clinton's, I'll believe it when I see it.
34 posted on 09/10/2003 8:28:20 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (You may disagree with me, but I will fight for your right to be in error.)
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To: doc
Exactly
35 posted on 09/10/2003 8:28:57 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7

I note you signed on in May, 2001. Maybe you've been lurking since early 1998. I'd need two calculators, a slide rule and an abacus to keep track of the number of times we've heard on this site that "this is the issue" that's going to bring Bill and Hill down only to be disappointed. It ain't going to happen. I hope I'm wrong, and I'll gladly eat my hat if I am, but it ain't going to happen...especially when I reached the part about Judicial Watch being involved. Call me cynical. Joe (MCM)

36 posted on 09/10/2003 8:29:10 AM PDT by MrConfettiMan ("A submissive sheep is a find for a wolf." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago)
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To: jmstein7
Yeah. A grand jury is in order (just have to get one that will indict).

and as usual she and her cronies will:
1. Do the usual harassment
2. Threaten
3. Illegally use FBI files to dredge up dirt even if its 56 years old about a distant family or friend
4. Have their friends in the media do a TOTAL IGNORE of the investigation as if nothing is happening (see how CBS ignored the Lewinski case for 1 year).

And in the end after the trial the will probably have the Jurors eliminated or Investigated by the IRS and harassed by the NAACP, NAMBLA and the KKK.

37 posted on 09/10/2003 8:29:39 AM PDT by prophetic
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To: jmstein7
"Does anybody know if Peter Paul is still alive?"

Last I heard he was still singing with Mary. ;-)

38 posted on 09/10/2003 8:31:33 AM PDT by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: prophetic
Maybe this guy can get a book deal with Regenry? :)
39 posted on 09/10/2003 8:32:09 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: Spunky
lol!
40 posted on 09/10/2003 8:32:34 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: 1Old Pro
Peter Paul has already been interviewed by the FBI in Brazil, and Tonken is a part of that same case concerning a 2000 fundraising gala in which Hillary did not report $2 million in donations to the FEC. Here is a link to the story on Tonken:

Hollywood Fund-Raiser: 'I'm a Star Witness Against the Clintons'

Here is an excerpt of a story with details of the charges:

Mr. Paul's money funded the August, 2000 production of “The Hollywood Gala Farewell Tribute To President Clinton,” which featured many Hollywood stars. Mr. Paul’s support for the event was also publicly denied by Mrs. Clinton in The Washington Post and in a debate with then opponent Rick Lazio. The government is seeking the cooperation of Mr. Paul, who is in a Brazilian prison pursuant to an U.S. extradition request on alleged stock and bank fraud. Mr. Paul has already provided evidence to Justice Department investigators in Brazil about the criminal activity of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Mr. Paul told the Department of Justice about the documents and storage facility ten months ago, and had provided them with documentation (checks, videos, financial statements) of his work for the Clintons in early 2001. Mr. Paul donated the over $2 million to the Clinton campaign as part of a $17 million offer to Bill Clinton to work with him after he left the Oval Office. The search warrant authorizing the FBI raid of the storage facility specifically references the Clintons and the New York Senate campaign. The search warrant authorizes the seizure of:

Records relating to New York Senate 2000, the Hollywood Gala Salute to President William Jefferson Clinton, the Federal Election Commission, David Rosen and Aaron Tonken...

(David Rosen was the Director of Finance for Hillary Clinton’s Senate campaign, and Aaron Tonken is a Democrat fundraiser who raised money for the Clintons. Both men have knowledge of Mr. Paul’s contributions.)

Judicial Watch

41 posted on 09/10/2003 8:37:04 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: subterfuge
It will be incredibly interesting to see how the other Dem prez candidates handle the situation if Hillary gets into the race.

Would any of them dare to criticize or question her?

I can't imagine it, unless it was someone like Sharpton who's just in it for the pub and doesn't care.

Except that he wouldn't because they are kissing cousins.
42 posted on 09/10/2003 8:43:39 AM PDT by altura
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To: jmstein7
Related stories on Tonken:

Hillary's Hollywood flim-flam man (A Michelle Malkin article)

Fund-raiser to the stars sued by state

Details of the lawsuit can be found here (Warning: slow loading .pdf file)

43 posted on 09/10/2003 8:58:11 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
See this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/979636/posts
44 posted on 09/10/2003 8:59:51 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Arkancide, Brazillian style, coming his way courtsey of bill and hill.
45 posted on 09/10/2003 9:00:37 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Hillary for dog catcher. I met her once, she is qualified to catch dogs.)
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To: jmstein7
More details on the fundraiser:

An in-depth article in Sunday's Los Angeles Times examined the relationship between the gala political fundraiser held at Stan Lee's home for Hillary Clinton's 2000 Senate campaign and the collapse of Stan Lee Media shortly thereafter. According to the article, the fundraiser, which cost approximately $2 million to stage but raised only $1 million for the campaign, figured prominently in both the collapse and the subsequent legal problems of Stan Lee Media executives. That's because the money for the fundraiser came largely from Merrill Lynch margin accounts secured by Stan Lee Media co-founder Peter Paul's stock in the company. The borrowing was in excess of the limit placed on borrowing against the stock, and when Merrill froze activity in the accounts in November of 2000, checks started bouncing, rumors that Stan Lee Media was out of cash began to spread, the stock price began to spiral downward, and a $40 million financing deal for the company collapsed, leading to the company's demise.

Among those facing legal problems related to the events are former Stan Lee Media executive Stephen Gordon, who was convicted in what was termed a "check-kiting" scheme and faces sentencing August 4th (he plans to appeal); two others convicted with Gordon; Peter Paul, who awaits extradition in a Brazilian jail; and fundraiser Aaron Tonken, charged with mail fraud for charitable promotions unrelated to the event but now being investigated for his political fundraising, according to the article.

Source

46 posted on 09/10/2003 9:09:22 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: jmstein7
Michelle has already investigated this just recently...see my post #43, the article is dated June 2003.
47 posted on 09/10/2003 9:31:57 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: jmstein7

The End of Hillary Clinton
48 posted on 09/10/2003 9:37:19 AM PDT by putupon (The text in this Tagline serves no purpose other than to occupy the space between the parentheses)
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To: jmstein7
We need to pray for Mr. Paul!
49 posted on 09/10/2003 9:45:21 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: TexasNative2000
Yeah, me too!
50 posted on 09/10/2003 9:50:30 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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