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IS THE GOP TRYING TO BURN DOWN THE LOG CABIN? (I HOPE SO)
San Diego Union Leader ^ | March 10, 2004 | Van Deerlin

Posted on 03/17/2004 4:28:10 AM PST by JesseHousman

I've always assumed that President Bush is surrounded by political advisers of the first order. With a campaign chest in excess of $140 million, he can afford the most skilled. But just this once, they may have failed him.

For deep-dyed Republicans, the log cabin has always been a near-sacred symbol, reminding us as it does of their party's first president, the immortal Abraham Lincoln.

Not all Republicans could have been happy, years ago, when gay and lesbian members – as statistically plentiful within GOP ranks as at any other level of humankind – formed their own unit within the party. They chose to call themselves "Log Cabin Republicans." And, as if to demonstrate that homosexuals can be as ideologically diverse as anyone else, these gays have claimed to be a growing element within the party. Yet in light of the abuse they often have suffered amid selectively compassionate conservatives, we must wonder why they would choose to join hands with their oppressors.

The latest putdown may be the unkindest cut of all: a president's proposal that the Constitution (with the arguable exception of Prohibition, heretofore amended only to limit government intrusion on citizen rights) be altered to bar same-sex marriage.

One needn't endorse the full range of societal change that some fellow Americans have in mind to wonder what motivated George Bush to take this highly divisive step. He may indeed feel the religious impulses that lie behind much of the recent gay-marriage resentment. But amid a multitude of serious issues dividing Americans today – our sick economy, the inequities that deny health care to increasing numbers of us, and momentous events bearing on war or peace – must we give equal attention to the legal impact of homosexual partnerships?

For a president bent on re-election, his proposal to tinker with the Constitution may have triggered a backlash of epic proportion. Democrats, of course, had been ready to heap scorn on almost anything George Bush chooses to make a campaign issue. But the political damage this time occurs mainly within his own ranks. Only days after the president had spoken, Log Cabin Republicans were at the battlements. Partisan loyalties aside, they seem determined to persuade moderates and independents that the White House is playing crude politics with the Constitution – as well as with their personal lives.

Just who are these pariahs? Newsweek has defined Log Cabin membership as predominantly white, affluent and fiscally conservative – reliable GOP material, sure enough. And because they accept party doctrine on almost everything, they'd normally hate seeing a sizable ideological vote conceded to the Democrats.

They've assembled some telling numbers, too. Voter registration at gay pride events is said to have found 38 to 40 percent signing up as Republicans. Of an estimated 1.2 million gay or lesbian voting-age Californians, Log Cabin officers think as many as 350,000 have voted Republican for president.

Moreover, not many politicians are loath to ask for money. And I'd expect to find most of these folk in the upper echelons of economic worth. Bush could therefore be turning his back on a veritable mother lode of campaign cash for himself and other deserving candidates.

Thus my questions of the moment. Why the call for a constitutional amendment on gay marriage? His "religious base" and all else aside, how does it help to turn off untold thousands of gay Republicans, while doubtless disappointing some of his closest political adherents who are known to have blood ties to homosexuals?

From Newt Gingrich to Vice President Dick Cheney and on to the conservative icon Phyllis Schlafly, some highly important Republican leaders have adjusted to – and accepted – the reality of openly gay members within the immediate family. They will remain loyal but not, we must suppose, without hurt.

A significant number of GOP leaders has shown greater sensitivity than the president on this score. California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger unhesitantly voiced disapproval of the proposed amendment, as have Arizona Sen. John McCain and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Congressional leaders insist there is no chance of mustering the two-thirds votes needed for a constitutional amendment in the present session.

So are the skeptics right? Is it not reform but only a wedge issue that Bush is looking for, hoping to embarrass liberals?

If so, some of those Log Cabin folk will begin to wonder. Can they ever find acceptance and understanding in the party of Lincoln?

Van Deerlin represented a San Diego County district in Congress for 18 years.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: evilagenda; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; lavendermafia; logcabin; logcabinrepublicans; marriage; perverts; republicans; rinos
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Can they ever find acceptance and understanding in the party of Lincoln?

Much better they haul their stained logs out of the GOP and haul them over to the DemocRAT Party which is, after all, the Homosexual Party. They do absolutely no good acting as Republicans. Besides, there are too many RINOs in the Republican Party as it is.

1 posted on 03/17/2004 4:28:12 AM PST by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman
The loss of this voting block is devastating. It's very difficult for a gay guy to carry a sign that says "I like Bush".

CG
2 posted on 03/17/2004 4:50:01 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Proud to be among the most hated Freepers at DU. Boo Troll !)
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To: JesseHousman
Voter registration at gay pride events is said to have found 38 to 40 percent signing up as Republicans.

I find that very hard to believe. I do not know that it is false, but it strikes me as a totally made-up statistic.

Moreover, not many politicians are loath to ask for money. And I'd expect to find most of these folk in the upper echelons of economic worth.

Simply a stereotype. About half of the homosexuals are lesbians. Lesbians are typically below average in income, for a variety of reasons. Right there, it makes it hard for "most of these folks" to be well off. In addition, a good percentage of the male homosexuals are very young men. How many "upper echelon" people do you know who are 18-24?

I grant the fact that there are a lot of rich 50-ish homosexuals who give generously to political causes that promote their agenda. But it is false, IMO, to say that "most" homosexuals are rich. Don't buy their lies -- it just it easier for them to snow you.

3 posted on 03/17/2004 4:50:25 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Diversity isn't about diversity)
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To: JesseHousman
"Much better they haul their stained logs out of the GOP and haul them over to the DemocRAT Party... they do absolutely no good acting as Republicans."

Well, if you are comfortable with Kerry victory, I suppose.

If you have a deep moral objection to homosexuals and have to vote this way on principle - well, you gotta' do what you gotta' do.

But it seems to me that as practical politics, such a vote is pretty much the Republican equivalent of the "Democratic" Nader voter – one is willing to burn down the house to get rid of the rats.

And if this is a problem now, it only gets worse – the polls indicate that this is a *generational* issue much more strongly than it's a ideological issue – the younger the voter, the greater the support "for gay marriage" and the greater the acceptance of homosexuals generally.
4 posted on 03/17/2004 4:50:43 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros on the end.)
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To: JesseHousman
The strength of the democrat party is their big tent philosophy. The republicans must decide: big tent or no tent. To continually kick out potential voters is suicide.
5 posted on 03/17/2004 4:59:12 AM PST by tkathy (Our economy, our investments, and our jobs DEPEND on powerful national security.)
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To: JesseHousman
Much better they haul their stained logs out of the GOP and haul them over to the DemocRAT Party which is, after all, the Homosexual Party.

Given that the margin of the Bush win in Florida in 2000 was almost certainly smaller than the total number of homosexuals in Florida who voted for him, your "my way or the highway" attitude would have given Gore the presidential win.

What a brilliant strategy you've got there.

They do absolutely no good acting as Republicans.

I submit that by voting Republican, they do a lot more good than folks such as yourself who want to kick out of the tent any Republicans who aren't "pure" enough for your tastes.

6 posted on 03/17/2004 5:09:50 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: JesseHousman
I believe the LCR is just a facade. These are gay activists who pretend to be Republican, but likely vote Democrat when they are in the booth.
7 posted on 03/17/2004 5:20:12 AM PST by Timmy
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To: JesseHousman
I doubt that any of the homosexuals pushing for marraige are GOP types

I doubt the majority of homosexuals care about being legally married
8 posted on 03/17/2004 5:31:02 AM PST by uncbob
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To: JesseHousman
Gays come into a group and always expect the group to change without a good reason.
9 posted on 03/17/2004 5:32:53 AM PST by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: JesseHousman
If they can not burn them out, can I bring the bulldozer?
10 posted on 03/17/2004 5:34:34 AM PST by TMSuchman (Vote like a lemming, vote demoRAT! & The only wasted vote, is one not used!)
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To: Timmy
"These are gay activists who pretend to be Republican, but likely vote Democrat when they are in the booth.:

If so, they raise a lot of money for the people they intend to vote against.

I have to agree, though, that it often seems remarkable that other issues trump "gayness" for the Log Cabin Republicans to the extent they do– for example as gays age those in stable relationship increasingly confront the various economic disadvantages (for example the lack of SS survivor benefits) of their current legal situation –. it can’t be pleasant situation, and it seems to me that you would have to have *very* strong convictions on other issues to retain a Republican (or even a "conservative") affiliation.

I think the lesson here is that "conserative", if it's to have a practical political meaning, can be a pretty complicated concept.
11 posted on 03/17/2004 5:42:46 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros on the end.)
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To: JesseHousman
Much better they haul their stained logs out of the GOP and haul them over to the DemocRAT Party

Who died and made you mullah? Do we really want to lose people like Andrew Sullivan to the Democrats?

12 posted on 03/17/2004 5:45:24 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: TMSuchman
Log Cabin Republicans are welcome to join, support and fully participate in the Republican party. The Republican Party is a party of basically conservative ideals and principles. We DON'T change to pander to the whims of 'feelings'. If you want a party driven by waves of fashion, cross the aisle. Just remember that passions change easily and when the Burka-clad nutsos are 'purifying' the electorate - it wasn't Republican conservatives that supported Islamist terrorists and their 'tolerance' and respect for women, gays, etc. Kerry-Kennedy-Clinton are the candidates of the Mullahs and the appeasers.

Despite the behavior of some individuals the Republican Party is more tolerant of a diversity of ideas and opinions than the lock-step, mind-numbed robots across the aisle.
13 posted on 03/17/2004 5:46:20 AM PST by NHResident
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To: NHResident
As far as I know that homosexulailty[sp] is wrong in all forms. It is aginst the law in all 50 states, and it acts are aginst the laws of nature. So, if you don't like my response, then don't read them!
14 posted on 03/17/2004 5:51:29 AM PST by TMSuchman (Vote like a lemming, vote demoRAT! & The only wasted vote, is one not used!)
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To: JesseHousman
If it weren't for the fact that the doorknow might give them one of those "special" thrills, I'd hope that the screen door would hit them in the butt on the way out.
15 posted on 03/17/2004 6:10:33 AM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: BlazingArizona
Do we really want to lose people like Andrew Sullivan to the Democrats?

It's either them or we lose all the decent people that make up the Republican base.

Support the Log Samplin' Republicans --- Drink the Kool-Aid!

16 posted on 03/17/2004 6:13:26 AM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: JesseHousman
From Newt Gingrich to Vice President Dick Cheney and on to the conservative icon Phyllis Schlafly, some highly important Republican leaders have adjusted to – and accepted – the reality of openly gay members within the immediate family.

Well, maybe they've accepted it and adjusted to it, but two of those three (Cheney being the exception) still treat their gay family members like an embarassment and it's done nothing to temper their anti-gay rhetoric.

17 posted on 03/17/2004 6:23:08 AM PST by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: TMSuchman
It is aginst the law in all 50 states

Can I suggest you do a little reading up on current events before you post again and embarass yourself even further.

18 posted on 03/17/2004 6:28:41 AM PST by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
Acceptance of homosexuality is predicated on the massive propaganda campaign projected on to the stupidvision by the media elites keeping the sheeple ignorant of the results of "gay liberation." Give it some time and I predict that homosexuals will be the most hated group in America and soccer moms will be one of the first groups to leave the reservation. One apt analogy is the lastest incarnation of the TV show "Survivor" where the newly liberated Richard Hatch (gay man extraordinaire) flounced about naked 24/7, and at an opportune time, for him at least, rubbed his penis over Susan the truck drivers rear end on purpose. The GOP if it gives any recognition to gays need to do it in a VERY qualified way.
19 posted on 03/17/2004 6:38:41 AM PST by junta
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To: BlazingArizona
Do we really want to lose people like Andrew Sullivan to the Democrats?

And let's consider all the wonderful contributions made by homosexuals and then, after the examination, let's promote a Homosexual History Month!

Normal America needs to stay as far away from the homosexuals and their agenda the target of which is American children. After all, it is "for the children" that these slogging perverts work overtime trying to legitimize their unusual and sickening methods of achieving their pitiful orgasms.

Whether one wants to face up to it or not this agenda by this evil and degenerate segment of our population is as dangerous to the future of America as are suicidal islamists.

20 posted on 03/17/2004 8:11:40 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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