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Ferret: why I'm alarmed by FR & will never post here ever again (except for my 9 replies & counting)
Originally posted elsewhere ^ | 2004-03-08 | Michael Joseph McCarthy

Posted on 03/16/2004 4:38:03 AM PST by bicycle thug

Edited on 03/16/2004 5:17:47 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Mod update: To put this "opus" in perspective, some additional information compliments of a thorough FReeper, dighton.

From a Kerry in 2004 Meetup page, via google cache:

bicyclethug (Eugene, OR)

I am Michael Joseph McCarthy, well known forest activist in Eugene, Oregon who ran against Scott Meisner for City Council last election. I am a Member of the Pacific Green Party who wants this scoundrel in office now thrown out.

72 posted on 03/16/2004 5:05:43 AM PST by dighton


Begin "opus":

Fascism in Free Republic manifests itself as extreme ideology that celebrates themselves as solely representing the nation as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. Liberalism is the prime keyword to represent the "problem" group causing the "decay and disruption of "proper" American life.

The FR reminds me of the typical fascist call for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and calls to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.

FR's call to purge Liberalism and to install a conservative only lifestyle in these United States is not realistic under the auspices of the U.S. Constitution which is designed for all groups of all types and classes to be protected from the domination and authority of the dominant group.

The FR calls for the establishment of a dominant group - their brand of Conservatives - that keeps all the others in line including conservatives "who don't think right on various topics. The virtual community has degenerated into a witch hunt for any and all "untrue thinkers," who must be purged at all costs.

FR's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies - and elitist - in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one prime iconic leader whose authority flows downward only. FR, in typical Fascist style seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of what a community is, and the end result of their game is totalitarianism, pure and simple.

Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely. FReepers unethically disrupts polls, hacks and disrupts other sites, and uses real or perceived disruption by others of their site as a rallying point to drive home a wedge between them and any group not belonging to the FReeper movement to reshape America.

Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and even true conservatism, yet it borrows concepts and practices from all three. Jim Rob's blend of conservatism and use as advocacy of George W. Bush to insure that the right thinkers who know how to follow orders stay on board builds an obedience and cohesion to central authority. He wishes to create an entity that can influence people like Bush to fall into sync with his goals by offering an effective vehicle to mobilize and control people on the grass roots level as he has proved to people like the President that he indeed can do things like galvanize and grow the Klamath water rights for farmers issue.

JimRob is shrewd, he wishes to influence those in higher office and at the same time remold the electorate into a cohesive force that can roll over any group that gets in it's way in a very unconstitutional fashion.

The FR exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic (or in the Free Republic's case the classic homosexual wedge issue) scapegoating or radical- sounding conspiracy theories. They reject the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power.

Its vision of a "new order" clashes with the conservative attachment to tradition-based institutions and hierarchies, and much like fascism, they often romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth.

Fascism always has had a complex relationship with established elites and the non-fascist right much like the FR does. It strives to be not a mere puppet of the ruling class, but an autonomous movement with its own social base. In practice, they defend capitalism against instability and the left, but also they pursue an agenda that sometimes clashes with capitalist interests in significant ways.

I have watched and studied the FR with going horror as this culture has grown more malignant and horrifying over the years. Any and all peoples and nations are vulnerable to the disease of fascism, and thought I am sure JimRob and company started with the best of intentions, over the years they have cognitively grown more hostile and unreasonable to anyone not of an elite brand of FReeper. The road to fascism is so incremental it sneaks in and decades later people always wonder how the heck it happened. And it is happening at that particular virtual community, make no mistake about it.

I have always wanted to see the FR grow up. Journalism in these United States was reactionary and lacked accountability in the early years of our nation and as it evolved it was forced to grow up. I want the FR to flourish and to grow up ethically and responsibly, with a measure of respect and empathy for those other groups that blend with them to form our great nation.

But it hasn't, and it has grown into an entity quite alarming. If FReepers care and act now, they can take back a precious jewel of a forum bought and paid for by them that fills an important need in their lives.

If this doesn't happen, we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor before it destroys what we collectively hold dear; The United States of America as we know it with our Constitution as is works now with it's checks and balances there to prevent Fascist and totalitarian entities from taking us and the world on the road to incredible destruction and human misery.

. This is a critically important topic, and people have leadership and intuitive skills that can either debunk me, or develop tools to reform FR and make it responsible and ethical as it should be. I don't hate and nurse disdain for the Free Republic, I deeply care and want the best for FReepers. And it hurts deeply and horribly to articulate my thoughts and fears here, as FReepers are indeed special people who do not deserve to be used, and to have bad things happen to them, or to be manipulated to cause bad things to happen to others.

Peace, and respect to all.


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To: Lazamataz
I know Mike ~ we've eaten hotdogs and drank Pepsi together ~ this diatribe does seem out of character and he never mentioned his beloved ferrets one time. :):)
341 posted on 03/16/2004 10:34:55 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: bicycle thug
"They reject the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power."

Hehahehehahah, liberalism embraces none of these. What the hell are you talking about? Liberalism wants no individualism whatsoever, nor does it believe in true representative government, unless it represents the minority few.

342 posted on 03/16/2004 10:38:43 AM PST by GigaDittos (Bumper sticker: "Vote Democrat, it's easier than getting a job.")
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To: Devil_Anse
ping
343 posted on 03/16/2004 10:38:58 AM PST by Jackie-O
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To: bicycle thug
If this doesn't happen, we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor

And how is this, precisely, when a) your ideology is bankrupt, b) your vision for the world is being discarded by the masses, and most importantly c) the political impotence of the Left is spiraling faster with each day?

However, I will give you one thing. I like the way you refer to "the FR" as opposed to simply, FR. Gives you that really exquisite tone of indignation.
344 posted on 03/16/2004 10:43:39 AM PST by Robert Teesdale
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To: e5man_r_u?
I don't think Jim Robinson has ever hidden his purpose for this site. Besides the fact that he promotes what is right, he has stated that he is conservative and pro-Republican. What's wrong with that. Also, he stated that if you are here to condemn conservatism, then you might as well hit the road. This is a forum for conservative Republicans, to discuss their issues and promote support for their causes. Correct me if I'm wrong Jim, but I paraphrase and I think I'm pretty close to what I've read.

So don't come running in here with your Nazi flag and complain about fascism here. The purpose of this is plainly known, enter at your risk.

345 posted on 03/16/2004 10:55:09 AM PST by GigaDittos (Bumper sticker: "Vote Democrat, it's easier than getting a job.")
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To: bicycle thug
I've always had a question about / for people who Opus . Honestly , why not just bail out of the door gunner hatch instead of making a production out of it ?
It's just a website Ferret . Either stay and choose your associations carefully or just bail . I'll see you over at LP .
346 posted on 03/16/2004 11:09:15 AM PST by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: bicycle thug; Jim Robinson
I don't think nor detect that you have a clue

--really--

NOT A CLUE

to Jim's heart

nor to his list of significant motives regarding our Republic and FR.

He has made his views and convictions clear in multiple posts over the years. Any discerning, psychologically, philosophically, socially awake, alert person with even a below average IQ should have been able to have discerned accurately Jim's motives, heart, attitudes regarding our Republic, conservatism, The Constitution, values, family life, fairness etc.

about 1,000% better than you seem to have.

My only explanation is that your own biases have neutered whatever logica circuits you may have been born with.

Jim represents one of the relatively few significant voices of reason trying to plug the increasing holes in the dike as society and history as we have known them descend into the black times described so vividly for our era in The Bible--as the globalists eagerly set up the Anti-Christ's world government--with Shrillery et al grasping for whatever power slots they can, ahead of time.

If you want to defend THAT group,

then there really is nothing else to say.
347 posted on 03/16/2004 11:13:03 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: edwin hubble
He can tell you, if you insist.

I don't care to be part of that "us."

If I want to read stuff like his, I'll look longer before I flush in the morning.
348 posted on 03/16/2004 11:17:51 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: bicycle thug
That's funny: FReepers as fascists. I have often thought of some of the Liberals as fascistic. Those who wish to control industry and even climate through environmental regulation are fascistic. Those who wish to control speech, e.g., the politically correct speech crowd, all Liberals, are fascistic. Post-individualists, all Liberal, are fascistic. Anti-theorists, all Liberal, are fascistic. Great fun--labeling.
349 posted on 03/16/2004 11:19:23 AM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: hellinahandcart; Lazamataz; veronica
They're still going over the WTC collapse over there? Oh dear, what a waste of time.

It won't matter how many times you debunk it, they will just post the identical mess somewhere else. I think the strategy is to wear all the debunkers out.

Common practice of the anti-Semite crowd too. They troll and bait and recycle the same stuff over and over.

350 posted on 03/16/2004 11:21:49 AM PST by In_25_words_or_less
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To: Robert Teesdale
the way you refer to "the FR" as opposed to simply, FR

Good point. The FR. Like the Thames, or the Matterhorn, or the Hudson. One of a kind, not just a proper name, unique determiner, accept no substitute.

351 posted on 03/16/2004 11:27:10 AM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: bicycle thug
Reminds me, I've gotta get back to writing my opus.
352 posted on 03/16/2004 11:29:25 AM PST by Don Carlos (Me cache en los Moros. (Ancient Spanish curse).)
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To: bicycle thug
Why would I bother to read more than half a sentence from a MENSA graduate who can't even get a handle on a concept as simple as "facism"?
353 posted on 03/16/2004 11:29:52 AM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: glock rocks; bicycle thug

354 posted on 03/16/2004 11:55:27 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Oh boy, I can't wait to eat that monkey!"--Abe Simpson)
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To: sergeantdave
"We reject the idea of private property.” Peter Berle, former president of the National Audubon Society

“What matters is to emphasize the fundamental idea in my party’s economic program clearly - the idea of authority. I want the authority; I want everyone to keep the property he has acquired for himself according to the principle: benefit to the community precedes benefit to the individual. But the state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. The Third Reich will always retain its right to control the owners of property.” Adolph Hitler

Got to admire that guy Berle; He was much more succinct!

355 posted on 03/16/2004 2:03:51 PM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: Future Snake Eater; MeekOneGOP; Brad's Gramma; Fawnn
#354

HAHAHAHAHA Hahahahaha.

Oh, that's rich.
356 posted on 03/16/2004 2:17:59 PM PST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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To: glock rocks; Future Snake Eater; PhilDragoo; autoresponder; devolve; yall
LOL !

357 posted on 03/16/2004 2:36:23 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: bicycle thug
I DO wish you were still here to answer this question.

I just came from the bank. I drove in behind a "Greenie" with his TRUCK AND I MEAN TRUCK loaded w/Greenie bumper stickers.

Now I ask you, why do you people drive ANYWHERE? Much less, a nasty vehicle that has the same engine in it as a *gasp* SUV?

How HYPOCRITCAL is that????
358 posted on 03/16/2004 3:13:26 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Pray for America and Israel)
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To: glock rocks
OH
MY
GOSH!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
359 posted on 03/16/2004 3:15:38 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Pray for America and Israel)
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To: sauropod
Thank you! That really made my day!
360 posted on 03/16/2004 3:41:38 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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