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TWO WITNESSES COULD END KERRY PRESIDENTIAL RUN -- "The Phoenix Project"
various sources | 3-12-04 | dfu

Posted on 03/12/2004 10:32:07 AM PST by doug from upland

THOMAS LIPSCOMB STORY

Reporter Thomas Lipscomb wrote the story which is linked above in the NY SUN. It has the potential to end the Kerry presdential run.

I had a great conversation with Lipscomb a short while ago. This story was too hot for some of the majors. But Lipscomb assured me it is well-sourced and is dead on.

Two witnesses have placed John Kerry at a Kansas City meeting of the hierarchy of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in November of 1971. At that meeting, they actually took a vote about assassinating United States senators. It was called "The Phoenix Project" and was the brainchild of Scott Camil. Kerry spokesman David Wade has denied Kerry was at the meeting.

The two witnesses who place Kerry at the meeting are Terry Du-Bose and Randy Barnes. What is very interesting is that Barnes is a big Kerry supporter and the head of Missouri Vets for Kerry. As a supporter, Barnes would certainly not make up a story that would hurt his candidate. He told Lipscomb of Kerry's attendance at the meeting.

Think of the implications. If the mainsteam media and major news networks do their homework, they may discover that a man who wants to be president was at a meeting discussing the possiblity of assassinating United States senators. That is a conspiracy. Instead of the White House, does John Forbes Kerry belong in the Big House?

Get on the phone to newsrooms and shame them into covering this story. A major mainsteam journalist returned by email in about a half hour after I sent him info. He finds it "interesting." Let's see if pursues it. He is notable enough, that if he does the story, all hell will break loose in the presidential campaign.

Note: Lipscomb is not a right-wing ideologue. He did a recent story defending Kerry over his medals. He also recently did a story in which he went after George Bush's National Guard service. He told me that he expected to find a drunken rich kid with coke up his nose. Instead, he discovered that Bush actually did more than make up the meetings he had missed and he honorably fulfilled his duty. And Terry McAuliffe knows it.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1971; 2004; barnes; darkplot; dubose; kansascity; kerry; phoenixproject; randybarnes; scottcamil; senators; thomaslipscomb; traitor; vvaw
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To: doug from upland
No, no, no. You have it all wrong. Even if there's film of Kerry actually assassinating someone, the mediawhores will ignore it. Until the Bush campaign mentions it, then the presstitutes will go into their usual convulsions of "negative ads" by the Bush "attack machine". Poor Kerry will be a victim.
161 posted on 03/12/2004 3:24:24 PM PST by wny
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To: doug from upland
No, no, no. You have it all wrong. Even if there's film of Kerry actually assassinating someone, the mediawhores will ignore it. Until the Bush campaign mentions it, then the presstitutes will go into their usual convulsions of "negative ads" by the Bush "attack machine". Poor Kerry will be a victim.
162 posted on 03/12/2004 3:24:53 PM PST by wny
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To: ThePythonicCow
If there is anyway to prove me wrong, I trust that Bill and Hitlary will do so, this election or next.

LOL. I got a real education in 2000 by following Florida statutory law, FLorida Supreme Court opinions, Federal District Court opinions, and Federal election law. There are plenty of ways the process can deviate from what we are accustomed to. Title 3 of the US Code is a sobering read, as it touches on how to handle "refusal of office" and other remote possibilities.

US Code, Title 3, Chapter 1

163 posted on 03/12/2004 3:25:51 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: doug from upland
I agree that how he voted didn't really matter. I was responding to someone else's post. Just placing him at the scene means he engaged in conspiracy and committed a serious felony.

No it doesn't. You can't be convicted of the felony of conspiracy just for being in the same room with some conspirators. What makes you think that you can?
164 posted on 03/12/2004 3:27:22 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: BooBoo1000
Thank you - right on target.
165 posted on 03/12/2004 3:28:11 PM PST by NordP (While our nation is at war w/ worldwide terrorism, the democrat party is at war w/ the President.)
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To: doug from upland
Yes, he voted "no." But if he attended that meeting, his very attendance was part of a conspiracy. If he wanted nothing to do with it, he had a duty to inform authorities about a potential plot to kill senators.

Technically (i.e. legally), you are correct; however, I think it is extremely unlikely that anything will come of this. If an actual murder had been committed (or even attempted) it would be different. If he had voted yes – and nothing had come of it – things would be different. (If it were Bush instead of Kerry things might be different.)

I could be wrong – but I’m not.

166 posted on 03/12/2004 3:29:16 PM PST by Friend of thunder (No sane person wants war, but oppressors want oppression.)
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To: doug from upland
If true and he never sopke to authorities he would be guilty of MISPRISON of a FELONY -

In its larger sense, this word is used to signify every considerable misdemeanor, which has not a certain name given to it in the law; and it is said that a misprision is contained in every treason or felony whatever.

2. In its narrower sense it is the concealment of a crime. Misprision of treason, is the concealment of treason, by being merely passive for if any assistance be given, to the traitor, it makes the party a principal, as there is no accessories in treason. It is the duty of every good citizen, knowing of a treason or felony having been committed; to inform a magistrate. Silently to observe the commission of a felony, without using any endeavors to apprehend the offender, is a misprision.

Misprisions which are merely positive, are denominated contempts or high misdemeanors; as, for example, dissuading a witness from giving evidence. MISPRISION OF FELONY -

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the U.S., conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the U.S. 18 USC Misprison of felony, is the like concealment of felony, without giving any degree of maintenance to the felon for if any aid be given him, the party becomes an accessory after the fact. --b-- THE 'LECTRIC LAW LIBRARY(tm) -- http://www.lectlaw.com

167 posted on 03/12/2004 3:29:28 PM PST by VRWCTexan
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To: doug from upland
Yeah, let's just have the Slave Party run the Hildabeast instead, seeing as that's been the plan all along. While it's better sooner than later to expose that plan, but my bet is that it (the beast) would stay out of the race until it was drafted by wild acclaim in the convention; the purpose being to avoid prolonged scrutiny.

I have my doubts that Bush would beat her.

168 posted on 03/12/2004 3:29:31 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Arkinsaw
What about the Lackawana Six? They didn't directly participate in any terrorist attacks but they're sitting in jail now.

169 posted on 03/12/2004 3:32:30 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Arkinsaw
I know he won't be convicted. Even if he voted yes, he won't be convicted. The point is that this is an issue that we have to push. It has the potential to to incredible damage.
170 posted on 03/12/2004 3:33:40 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
Doug:

You know I love you, bro, but ... you been wearing your Reynolds Foil outfit again?

LOL!

171 posted on 03/12/2004 3:34:56 PM PST by The G Man (John Kerry? America just can't afford a 9/10 President in a 9/11 world. Vote Bush-Cheney '04.)
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To: Rebelbase
What's going to be the new name for Arkancide?

"Masslaughter."

172 posted on 03/12/2004 3:35:03 PM PST by atomicpossum (Fun pics in my profile)
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To: doug from upland; All
-John Kerry- some selected, informative links...--
173 posted on 03/12/2004 3:37:03 PM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the TrackBall into the Sunset...)
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To: Arkinsaw
I presume he wasn't just innocently in the room. I presume he took an active part. Placing him in the room was a lazy description on my part. Thanks for the clarity.
174 posted on 03/12/2004 3:37:09 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: The G Man
Credible reporter. Credible story. Let's get to the truth and see where the fit hits the shan.
175 posted on 03/12/2004 3:38:17 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: atomicpossum; Rebelbase
"Massassination"

Has my vote!
176 posted on 03/12/2004 3:43:03 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: cgbg
That is a twisted, but plausible, scenario.

Similar to turned Soviets, being trained to turn in their handlers, to make them unimpeachable. Gave them instant karma.

Kerry, a counter-spy? It's the stuff of le Carre', but it works.
177 posted on 03/12/2004 3:43:40 PM PST by Old Sarge
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To: Cboldt
Title 3, Chapter 1, seems to deal mostly with what happens between the Election and the meeting of the Electoral College.

I think that the most pointed questions on this thread have focused on the time between now and the Election, especially around the time of their party Convention, to include however all such time as occurs between now and the demise of Hitlary ').

178 posted on 03/12/2004 3:44:46 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!!!)
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To: Cousin Eddie
He'll come off looking better in the end. Bank on it.

I wouldn't bank on it -- yet.

One question the media would HAVE to ask him (if they ever report the story) is: Did you report this assassination conspiracy to the authorities?

If Kerry didn't report it, then he's clearly not fit to be president.

If he did, then he's in trouble with the left wing.

179 posted on 03/12/2004 3:44:56 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: doug from upland
Doug, the only way the mainstream TV media will ever cover this is if they can find a way to enhance Kerry while doing it. If it's only covered in the alternative or talk-radio formats it'll be relegated to Kooksville. If FoxNews covers it it'll be marginalized. If just the print media covers it no one will care. If it's published only on the Web, very few people will even see it.

The fact that he voted against it and that it happened over 30 years ago is enough to make it go away, and pursuing it could threaten our credibility.

Please think about it.

180 posted on 03/12/2004 3:47:42 PM PST by Chunga
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