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Freep Baking: "we are nevertheless also many"
Spiegel (Germany) ^ | 09. March 2004 | Franc Patalong

Posted on 03/10/2004 9:59:08 AM PST by Constitution Day

Freep baking
 
"we are nevertheless also many"

The report over Vote manipulations by users of a conservative US Website led to the manipulation of the manipulated Votes - and to a solid reader echo. While some welcome "Vote being", others remind deliberated handling Votes and expressions of opinion in the on-line journalism on.

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At 17 o'clock on Monday registered the "Schulnoten" Vote to the presidency of George W. Bush accurately 38,449 voices. 59.6 per cent of it evaluated the US president with "unity", approximately 13 per cent with "six".

Even these numbers for itself taken already showed that this Vote was not normal: "pure already with statistic means", wrote Hans Wegener on Monday evening in a reader letter, "sees one that with the above inquiry something takes place. The distribution of the voices with maxima with the notes ' 1 ' and ' 6 ' (reverse bath tub curve) puts near that the co-ordinations disintegrate into two groups. From this observation it is an easy to arrive at the assumption that two extremes supply themselves in the political spectrum a tuning war."

_ so look the probably out, and so the article to manipulation the Bush Votes by reader the Weblogs "David criticism" and the conservative US Website "Free Republic" of much also understand: as request to strike back. "we are nevertheless also many", were called it in a reader letter, "show we it the Amis".

The result could be visited on Tuesday morning: At 9.25 o'clock registered the Vote 291,164 voices, whereby 29.38 per cent of Bush with "unity" evaluated and 59.04 per cent with "six". We can "freepen" evenly also: Quod erat demonstrandum?

MIRROR ON-LINE ONE: Did liver sausage insult?

Not few readers noticed in such a way: They felt the disclosure of the Vote manipulation as Retourkut against their causer. The subordinated motive: MIRROR ON-LINE ONE did not want to accept that a Vote results in a opinion, which does not fit the "positioning" of the assumed readership. That would be however rather cheap.

Other one reminded, which procedure shows nevertheless over-clearly, the Votes a "dubious means" are, which one cannot take seriously, never is representative - and therefore on a journalistic web page nothing to search has: "is inexpressible what? Purposeful falsifying of these tunings or perhaps even the tunings themselves, more unrepraesentativer not to be could be and for in good journalism no place should not?" (from a reader letter by Stefan shopkeeper)

MIRROR ON-LINE ONE INQUIRY

Votes in the on-line journalism: Yes or no?
Votes are with Machern and readers like. In addition, they are susceptible to falsifications. Should a journalistic offer use the means of the Votes or not?

Yes: It belongs to the attractions of the InterNet for Medienmacher and readers that such communication forms are possible. Votes are "part OF the fun". One must make clear that they are not representative

No: Votes obtain the impression of respectable opinions, are however falsification-endangered. They do not have to look for anything in journalistic offers

Undecided, no opinion



A minority criticized the criticism at the behavior of those, which had called for Vote manipulation: That is nevertheless probably legitimate, one can its readership evenly not select itself. "your tuning achieved, wrote not the desired result" reader Peter Kneer. "the co-ordination however falsification to subordinate joins easy the left democracy understanding. A citizen of age is only that, that its cross a little linkslastig sets."

(Excerpt) Read more at babelfish.altavista.com ...


TOPICS: Germany; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: clickcoordinating; fr; freepbaking; liversausage; reversebathtubcurve; solidreaderecho; spiegel; tunings; tuningwar; ultrakonservativen
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To: Constitution Day
Uh...are they saying that online forums like FR turning people on to online polls is vote manipulation? Maybe some people vote more than once, but I only FReeps a poll I have a strong opinion on in order to express that opinion. Perhaps what they are saying is that FReepers hearing about liberal-biased polls and registering non-PC-approved viewpoints is bad, 'cause they don't get the biased results they want?
61 posted on 03/10/2004 2:13:58 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: dighton
To the own in the long runness to refer is legitimate against it.
62 posted on 03/10/2004 2:14:30 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Ich bin ein Tagliner.)
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To: Constitution Day
Going partly violently to the thing

About what does it go here thus?

63 posted on 03/10/2004 2:21:28 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (The butter on message bread.)
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To: Constitution Day
From http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2004/03/the_clumsy_goli.html

This is such a comprehensive analysis of our conflict with SPIEGEL ONLINE, I have to post it right away. It was sent to me by mail from Douglas. Enjoy!

Congratulations, David. I've never been more proud of my German roots. May the long-departed Silberhorns of Esslingen and Nothsteins of the Pfalz smile down on your blog! Here are my comments on your latest battle with Goliath.

THE CLUMSY GOLIATH

SPIEGELs first mention of David’s blog “You need to click ‘Abstimmen’,” was a wonderful distillation of rage and paranoia, but you’ll have to check it quickly if you want to enjoy any of its original flavor. They’ve been frantically “improving” it even as we speak as they’ve become aware the world is laughing at them. Even the remnant still online is a classic example of their trademark combination of Stalinism and McCarthyism. Stalin was a master of the technique of destroying opponents by association. First he demonized Trotzky. Once he’d accomplished that, anyone who had ever had anything to do with Trotzky automatically became guilty of “Trotzkyism” by association. Now take a look at the SPIEGEL article. They begin with a long diatribe against FreeRepublic.com. I never visited the “Free Republic” website before its mention in Spiegel, but it’s obvious from a brief look that Spiegel’s “reporting” about them is typically slanted and misleading. SPON officiously informs us that “freeping” is a slang term that has been around since the late 90’s, commonly used to refer to the use of dirty tricks against political opponents. That’s news to me and, no doubt, to most Americans. I regularly read several political magazines, blogs, and newspapers, and it’s the first time I’ve ever seen the term. If you Google “freeping,” the links you get deal mostly with some kind of software that has nothing to do with politics. No matter, SPON has chosen “Free Republic” as their “Trotzky” for this episode, and, in keeping with the time-honored Stalinist MO, they rearrange reality as necessary to accommodate their needs.

Once they had invented their Trotzky/Free Republic, the trick for SPIEGEL was to link the new demon to Davids Medienkritik. That wasn’t going to be easy. SPIEGEL failed to produce even a shred of evidence that David was connected in any way with “Free Republic.” No matter, as usual in such cases, they resorted to a brazen lie, claiming that David had called on his readers to “freepen” the vote on SPIEGEL. Unfortunately, the link to the “Free Republic” they cite for this claim originated with someone with the handle “eabinga,” a resident of Brunswick, Georgia. Now, according to an online encyclopedia, Brunswick, Georgia, is a rather small city of about 16,000 souls with a population that is 59.81% African-American and 36.41% white. Unfortunately, the reference is silent regarding the percentage of Germans in the place, but I would be very pleasantly surprised to find there were any as articulate as David. If it can be proved that David actually lives there, I will cheerfully eat my hat. Undeterred by the facts as ever, SPON continues with more bogus claims that David appealed to his readers to manipulate the vote. You can read everything he has posted on his site since March 5 and see in a relatively short time that, unless encouraging his readers to vote counts as “manipulation,” this is just another blatant lie.

It’s all the same to the editors of SPON. Having “proved” the connection between David and “Free Republic” in the good old Stalinist tradition, they go on to pontificate for several more paragraphs about the dangers of “freeping” to Western civilization.

Of course, Stalin wasn’t SPIEGELs only tutor. The insinuation and innuendo we’ve become familiar with in SPIEGEL articles is the trademark technique of McCarthyism. Swinging wildly at his tiny tormenter, David, whose pebble has obviously found its mark, the SPIEGEL Goliath descends into a ludicrous paranoia. We read dark suggestions that he is but the minion of the dark and crafty forces of evil, invincible but for SPIEGELs noble battle, the embodiment of a dark conspiracy of “ultraconservative activists.”

SPIEGELs obsession with America-bashing has evidently left them singularly ill-informed about what’s been going on in the real world. They tell us that vote manipulation is “getragen von einer starken, bisher wenig wahrgenommenen konservativen Blogger-Szene.” Earth to SPIEGEL! The “Blogger-Szene” is big and growing. It includes not only conservatives, but a rich variety of articulate voices from every part of the political spectrum. In the USA it has combined with talk radio to smash the bland, left of center monopoly the mainstream media once enjoyed in interpreting the “reality” the American people would see on TV and in their newspapers every day. David is the vanguard of that “scene” in Germany, where he and many more like him are desperately needed. Get used to the pebbles, Goliath. There are more coming.


Douglas: thank you so much!

64 posted on 03/10/2004 4:35:43 PM PST by eabinga
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To: Constitution Day
ROTFL!!! I missed the first thread, so I thought it would clear up the mystery! After clicking on the link, I found it didn't clear up anything! This is too funny!
65 posted on 03/10/2004 4:48:20 PM PST by ladyinred (democrats have blood on their hands!)
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To: chadsworth
Ping, here it is!
66 posted on 03/10/2004 4:49:07 PM PST by ladyinred (democrats have blood on their hands!)
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To: Constitution Day
I don't understand? I bet they wished they could force us to stop - ha ha ha damn liberal-commies.
67 posted on 03/10/2004 4:51:17 PM PST by Porterville (Play the cards you were dealt or crawl in a whole and die; Vote for Bush or go away.)
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To: Constitution Day
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091545/posts
68 posted on 03/10/2004 6:11:06 PM PST by rogueleader
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