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Marrying in the Family : Biology Disputes Taboos Surrounding 'Kissing Cousins'
ABCNews ^ | 3/5/04 | John Stossel

Posted on 03/05/2004 12:25:23 PM PST by ZGuy

Everyone wants to fall in love; it's the stuff of movies, songs and dreams. But what if you fall in love with your cousin?

For one couple, romance bloomed among two cousins who met as adults after a 20 year absence.

"We ran into each other, at a family reunion," Christie Smith told ABCNEWS. "And we just struck it off."

Smith said marrying her cousin Mark brought concerns.

"It was very scary, at first. I thought that it was something that was very wrong," said Smith.

Einstein Kissed His Cuz

Cousins who fall in love have a right to voice concerns. After all, marrying a cousin just isn't done, right?

At least that's what we're taught to believe. Only primitive people who live in isolated places marry cousins, and it's dangerous and leads to creating stupid children.

Or does it? A new study reveals the genetic risks associated with this type of pairing are not as great as once believed.

And consider this — Albert Einstein's parents were cousins, and he married his cousin, too. FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt were cousins, so were Prince Albert and Queen Victoria and former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani was briefly married to a second cousin.

In America, marrying your cousin is legally allowed in 26 states and every year about 200,000 cousins wed. Worldwide, it's much more common — 20 percent of all married couples are cousins. In some Middle Eastern countries, almost half of all marriages are to cousins.

Those Who Say ‘I Do’

But in America, cousins who find love also find public resistance.

"The overbearing concept is that, you know, 'cousins can't get married,' " said Brian Wagner, who has been married to his cousin Caren for 12 years. His dad and his wife's mom are brother and sister.

"Some people see it as 'inbreeding,' or, you know, 'incest,' or something terrible like that," said Wagner.

Caren said she didn't plan on their shared future, although her mom noticed they always liked each other.

"They played together, they fought over toys together. And they just had a happy good relationship as kids will," said Pat Bradfield. "They were real kissin' cousins."

They initially grew up in the same area, but Brian's family then moved away. Years later when Caren decided to visit, their lives changed.

"When she showed up at the airport terminal and come off the plane, it's just like everything came rushing back again," said Brian.

"It developed beyond a 'friendship,' into a 'OK, do you want to get married this weekend or next?' " said Caren.

Her mom says the idea "floored" her a bit, but since she couldn't stop the marriage she was leery of voicing opposition in fear of losing contact with her daughter. Instead, she offered some advice.

"In a marriage such as you're contemplating, you have to remember that you could divorce your husband but you can't divorce the whole family," said Pat.

They did lose one friend who, Caren said, they just didn't hear from anymore after they announced their union.

Legality of the Marriage

Twenty-four states still forbid cousin marriages. The United States is the only country in the world where these laws still exist. "A lot of these laws have been on the books forever and they have just not gotten changed," said Brian.

The laws date back hundreds of years to the time when the Catholic Church campaigned against cousin marriages because in the Bible Leviticus says, "none of you shall approach to any that is near of kin."

Regardless, Caren and Brian had a church wedding in Virginia, one of 26 states where cousin marriage is legal. "We talked to our minister … and he knew and he didn't have an issue with marrying us," said Brian.

Biological Implications

One of the reasons cousin marriage is taboo, is the assumption they will have kids with birth defects.

But a new groundbreaking study funded by the National Society of Genetic Counselors revealed that some beliefs about cousin marriage are unfounded.

Robin Bennett, who headed the study, told ABCNEWS the risks of having a child with a cousin are about "2 to 3 percent" above the average population's risk for having a child with birth defects or mental retardation.

She says while there are risks, they're "not as bad" as people perceive. Other risk factors are higher. For example, there's a 10 percent chance that a 41-year-old woman will give birth to kids with chromosomal defects.

If one parent has a genetic disease, like Huntington's, they have a 50 percent chance of passing it on. Bennett gives parents the risks but would not tell them not to have kids. She advocates that cousins who are romantically involved have genetic counseling before they're pregnant.

Brian and Caren went for counseling, and were told the risk for birth defects was low, but their kids might have asthma which runs in the family.

They now have two boys, ages 12 and 8, and both have asthma. But they don't think twice about their parents being cousins. They're also at the top of their classes in school.

The rest of the family has come around and say they couldn't be happier with how things have worked out. Ultimately, Caren and Brian say it may have been their family connection that led them to fall in love.

"We could communicate," said Brian. "We had the same values, as far as raising children … It's a match."


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KEYWORDS: incest; lawrencevtexas; slipperyslope; stossel
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To: aimhigh
You (and I) already do.
21 posted on 03/05/2004 1:32:22 PM PST by Cobra Scott
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To: newgeezer
Yes, we must now make sure cousins can marry in every state, too.
22 posted on 03/05/2004 1:33:59 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky
An obscure Chinatown reference seems highly appropriate!

She's my daughter!
{SLAP}
She's my sister!
{SLAP}
She's my daughter and my sister!
{SLAP}

Yancy
23 posted on 03/05/2004 1:40:07 PM PST by yle1138
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To: flicker
"What if the cousins are Boys??"

That's not the issue in this thread, and you know it. This is not about gays; It's about cousins.
24 posted on 03/05/2004 1:42:49 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Loyalist
"The stigma of cousin marriage has less to do with genetics than it has to do with social class."

You totally nailed it. I hate seeing the stupid kneejerk reactions of certain posters on this subject...obviously they NOTHING of history. Not only was (and still is) marrying your cousin common among royalty and the wealthy but like the article says...there is a VERY small chance of birth defects among the children of such a union.

Marrying a cousin is simply NOT the same as brother/sister or Parent/Child. Anybody who equates one with the other is simply ignorant.

I detest the concept of Gay marriage...but cousins marrying has NOTHING to do with that issue.

For whatever reason, poor people in rural sparsley populated areas that marry cousins are seen as incestuous..but the elite do it and it goes largely unnoticed. Whatever.

Having said all of the above, I see no reason for most Americans to marry a cousin simply because there are so many people to choose from.
25 posted on 03/05/2004 1:44:02 PM PST by FeliciaCat (Life is to short for ugly shoes.)
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To: ZGuy
One lady I know of married her cousin when she was in her 60s. Before they were allowed to be married they had to sign a paper stating they would not have children. LOL!
26 posted on 03/05/2004 1:44:02 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: ZGuy
the risks of having a child with a cousin are about "2 to 3 percent" above the average population's risk for having a child with birth defects or mental retardation.

That's not really very good odds. I wouldn't have elective surgery if the risk of dying was 2-3%. And considering that children are often aborted when amniocentesis reveals birth defects or retardation, this 2-3% could have tragic results.

27 posted on 03/05/2004 1:47:02 PM PST by giotto
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To: Ol' Sparky
"Yes, we must now make sure cousins can marry in every state, too."

That will be up to the individual states, of course. States have steadily removed the prohibition of first cousin marriage over the years. Odds are they will keep doing that.

There's no religious prohibition against cousins marrying. Indeed, they did so in the Old Testament. Our prohibitions in some states are based on some pretty bizarre reasoning.

Now that it's clear that there's no significant health risk, there's no reason for cousins not to marry, if they wish to.

I have tons of cousins, most of whom I have never met, and who live hundreds of miles from me. Why would I not marry one of them, if we wanted to?

This has nothing to do with morality. It has only to do with marriage between a man and a woman who choose to marry.
28 posted on 03/05/2004 1:47:48 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: FeliciaCat
Sheez, relax... I frankly don't have a problem with cousins marrying. I was just poking a little fun at the liberal sterotype of "inbred" Southerners.
29 posted on 03/05/2004 1:49:09 PM PST by yle1138
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To: giotto
"the risks of having a child with a cousin are about "2 to 3 percent" above the average population's risk for having a child with birth defects or mental retardation.
That's not really very good odds. I wouldn't have elective surgery if the risk of dying was 2-3%. And considering that children are often aborted when amniocentesis reveals birth defects or retardation, this 2-3% could have tragic results."



You misunderstand what was written. Lets say 100 out of 10,000 births between non-related couples resulted in some sort of genetic defect. If the risk was 2-3% higher for cousins, that means that 102 or 103 out of 10,000 would have some sort of birth defect.

The risk is HIGHER. It is not 2-3%

30 posted on 03/05/2004 1:50:47 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: ZGuy
This article is very disingenuous.

There's a big difference between marrying first cousins and marrying a fourth or fifth cousin (which Franklin and Eleanor were). My great-aunt married her fifth cousin (we never would have known except they were both descended from the same Revolutionary War soldier). They never had any children (I don't know why, ladies didn't discuss such things in front of the children in those days) but I doubt it had anything to do with their single shared ancestor five generations back.

The point this article misses is that ONE first-cousin marriage in a bloodline is not particularly dangerous. It's when they start adding up in the family tree that inherited defects start to concentrate. What are sometimes called "double cousins" or even "quadruple cousins" are descended from multiple first-cousin marriages.

I'm familiar with this problem because I used to breed and show Siamese cats. Every ten or twenty years a REALLY hot male cat (quad or quint grand champion) will come along, and everybody wants to breed to a winner so everybody does. If you don't watch your pedigrees you can accidentally breed double or triple cousins to each other and wind up with horrendous birth defects and/or dead kittens.

That's why the first-cousin marriages in small isolated populations cause such problems. It's not just THAT marriage, but all the other ones back up the line. An isolated first-cousin marriage will have three sets of grandparents, but if there are others back up the line, those three sets may share way too many common ancestors. In other words, as Jeff Foxworthy said, "Your family tree don't fork."

31 posted on 03/05/2004 1:55:25 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: ZGuy
"In some Middle Eastern countries, almost half of all marriages are to cousins."

That is NOT a good argument. It apparently leads to emotional and mental instability.
32 posted on 03/05/2004 1:58:22 PM PST by ZULU (God Bless Senator Joe McCarthy!!!)
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To: Loyalist
"But when poor whites in Appalachia or the Deep South marry their cousins, people express shock, revulsion and disdain at the practice."

But they really like the bango pick'n

33 posted on 03/05/2004 1:58:55 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: aimhigh
It is if I have to pay for:

So you believe that any marriage with an increased chance of chromosomal defect for offspring should not be allowed? We should also forbid pregnancy after the woman is 35 years old.

34 posted on 03/05/2004 1:59:41 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ZGuy
And then I go and leave out the point of all that for the purposes of our present discussion . . . . < blush >

Point is, once cousin marriages are allowed and practiced for some time, there WILL be double and triple cousins trying to marry. It will be almost impossible to determine the cousin marriages as they recede into the past (well, for everybody except genealogy-mad Southerners who can recite their pedigree for eight or ten generations. ahem. )

Probably not as big a problem now as it was in the past with restricted mobility, but there's potential for some difficulty here.

35 posted on 03/05/2004 1:59:48 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: MineralMan
You're right. I did read that wrong. Frankly, I'm surprised that the risks are so low.
36 posted on 03/05/2004 2:00:15 PM PST by giotto
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To: ZGuy
In some Middle Eastern countries, almost half of all marriages are to cousins.

Not a particularly ringing endorsement.

37 posted on 03/05/2004 2:01:43 PM PST by kennedy
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To: MineralMan
Cystic fibrosis, Huntington Chorea, Tay Sachs, Macular degeneration...etc
38 posted on 03/05/2004 2:39:56 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (black dogs are my life)
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To: TASMANIANRED
"Cystic fibrosis, Huntington Chorea, Tay Sachs, Macular degeneration...etc"

You don't have to marry a cousin to get those things, you know.

There are tons of genetic disorders. Cousins who aren't carriers for any of them are at no greater risk than anyone else.

These days, with genetic testing so commonplace, it's smart for every couple planning to marry and have children to be tested to see if they carry the genes for the most common of them.

Aside from that, a 2-3% higher risk isn't all that big a deal. Lots of cousins are married and have nice families, with no problems at all, other than the boring attitudes of people who don't know what they're talking about.

Check this out:

http://www.cousincouples.com
39 posted on 03/05/2004 2:44:24 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Gee. They both have the same grandma and grandpa. Eeeeewwww.
40 posted on 03/05/2004 2:51:23 PM PST by itsinthebag
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