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Double drink prices, urges doctors -
The Telegraph - UK ^ | March 5, 2004 | Celia Hall

Posted on 03/05/2004 12:00:54 PM PST by UnklGene

Double drink prices, urge doctors -

By Celia Hall, Medical Editor (Filed: 05/03/2004)

Doctors called yesterday for the price of alcohol to be almost doubled in an attempt to reduce the harm caused by excessive drinking.

The Academy of Medical Sciences, an independent body of senior doctors and researchers, has concluded that attitudes to drinking need to change.

Click to enlarge The best way to cut the amount people drink is to limit the affordability and availability of alcohol, they say.

The doctors' leader, Prof Sir Michael Marmot, said: "Alcohol is a good friend and a bad enemy. We are not against alcohol. It gives pleasure and also confers health benefits."

However, the academy argues that drinking levels should return to those of the early 1970s when the population drank on average seven litres of alcohol per head a year. This compares with the 11.1 litres now consumed. The figures represent a rise of 50 per cent in 30 years.

They say there is a direct link between the relative cheapness of alcohol and the increasing amounts consumed.

The doctors have called for the price of beer, wine and spirits to be increased to 1970 levels. In relative terms alcohol was nearly twice as expensive 30 years ago, they say.

Sir Michael, professor of epidemiology and public health at the University College London, said such measures would have a greater impact on the pockets of young people who drank too much than on people who drank sensibly. "We believe that if you can reduce the average you will also be able to do something about the heavy drinkers," he said.

"A strategic programme is needed to curb the nation's escalating level of drinking in the interests of individual and public health. The country has reached a point where it is necessary and urgent to call time on runaway alcohol consumption."

The academy's report, Calling Time, also proposes limits on the amount of alcohol people can bring in from Europe and lower drink driving limits - down from 80mg per 100ml of blood to 50mg and to zero for drivers younger than 21.

The report says the current travellers' allowance gives a heavy drinker a 272-day supply.

They say this should be reduced to the permitted level of nicotine imported for personal use which gives a 20-a-day smoker a 40-day supply.

"Educational approaches have been disappointing but this may be swamped by contrary advertising," the report says. "Price modulation usually through tax increase is highly effective, particularly in under-age drinkers.

"A 10 per cent rise in the price of all alcoholic beverages has been estimated to reduce mortality from alcohol-related conditions by seven to 37 per cent."

Prof Ian Gilmore, registrar of the Royal College of Physicians and a member of the working party, accepted that their recommendations would not please politicians. "The report makes it very clear that targeting problem drinkers is not sufficient," Prof Gilmore said.

"It collects the compelling evidence that one of the most effective ways of reducing harm to individuals is to reduce the escalating national consumption of alcohol.

"This challenge makes alcohol an issue for society as a whole, and we encourage a wide debate on the policy options of proven benefit, such as increasing price and limiting access, unpalatable to politicians though they may be. The doctors said that drinking at levels of one or two drinks a day provided proven health benefits but that higher amounts began to do harm.

Deaths from chronic liver disease had risen from 124 in men and 86 in women, aged 45 to 54, in 1970 to 805 and 405 respectively in 2000. Alcohol is responsible for 70 per cent of cirrhosis deaths.

Prof Gilmore said: "I now see liver cirrhosis in people in their 20s and 30s, pretty women, who think they will get a warning sign. But the first thing you know is that you go yellow and your belly swells up. People are not just drinking more, they are drinking younger."

The report says that over 30 years chronic liver disease has escalated by more than 450 per cent.

A spokesman for the Department of Health said the Cabinet was producing its own report on reducing harm caused by alcohol in the next few weeks.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alcohol; bottomsup; chugalug; passmeabeer; pufflist; sintax
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To: UnklGene
If I knew now what I knew then I would not drink as much....
61 posted on 03/05/2004 1:00:54 PM PST by CathyRyan
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To: UnklGene
Doctors called yesterday for the price of alcohol to be almost doubled in an attempt to reduce the harm caused by excessive drinking.

And do they agree with halving the price of doctors to promote good health?

62 posted on 03/05/2004 1:01:54 PM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: UnklGene
The doctors have called for the price of beer, wine and spirits to be increased to 1970 levels. In relative terms alcohol was nearly twice as expensive 30 years ago, they say.

Budweiser was $1.25 a 6-pack in 1970; what is it today?

63 posted on 03/05/2004 1:03:04 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: swarthyguy
FAT CHANCE. Mention health or kids, and people will turn in their mother.

I completely understand your cynicism. That said, I am not that cynical at the moment. I think the times, they are a changin' (for the better, obviously).

64 posted on 03/05/2004 1:03:44 PM PST by Shryke
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To: metesky
Brockton is a stye compared to the Cape (or pretty much anything else). What part of the Cape do you think is so bad?
65 posted on 03/05/2004 1:07:39 PM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: UnklGene; SheLion; Gabz
Hmmm,1970. Isn't that about the time that the dangers of smoking were starting to be publicised?

Smoking rates started to go down and drinking rates started to go up.

Well they are getting what they wanted,a bunch of smoke-free drunks.


66 posted on 03/05/2004 1:09:10 PM PST by Mears
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To: UnklGene
Go ahead and double the price. You won't be doing the same thing you did to me on smokes. I already make my own beer lol
67 posted on 03/05/2004 1:09:27 PM PST by Damagro
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To: Mears
Well they are getting what they wanted,a bunch of smoke-free drunks.

ROFLMAO!!!!!

68 posted on 03/05/2004 1:10:58 PM PST by Gabz (The tobacco industry doesn't pay cigarette taxes - smokers do!)
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To: UnklGene
As a smoker, I have been patiently waiting for this. Just the second in a long string of inevitable "...abuses and usurpations..." by a nanny government confident in the helplessness of its subjects.

First they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out –
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists
And I did not speak out –
Because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out –
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me –

And there was no-one left To speak out for me.
---Pastor Niemöller, 1938

Enjoy.

69 posted on 03/05/2004 1:11:27 PM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: 45Auto
Why don't the morons just institute a total ban on booze?

What? And kill the cash cow? This is a taxing gambit, as you well know...

70 posted on 03/05/2004 1:13:04 PM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: freeeee
Promise?
71 posted on 03/05/2004 1:13:53 PM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: realpatriot71
Seig Heil!
72 posted on 03/05/2004 1:15:47 PM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: freeeee
Check out the armed guards at the North St. Burger King in Hyannis. Several drive-by shootings there.

It all started with Mickey the Dukes Section 8 relocation program.

Then the Cape Cod Commission and all their rules and regs made living there almost impossible.

And now you can't even smoke in the great mid-Cape bars and saloons!

I still go down a couple of times a year when some of the boys need my construction expertise, but after a week or so I beat feet like you read about.

73 posted on 03/05/2004 1:16:37 PM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: realpatriot71
BTW - kiss my ass

An inspired choice!
That name fits your personality perfectly!

74 posted on 03/05/2004 1:18:50 PM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: realpatriot71
Alcohol is a vice - like gambling - which the internet and gasoline are niether.

Alcohol is a pleasure , just like the internet. Gambling is a leisure activity, gasoline is a comodity. Tax is tax, and is a device for libs to control other peoples actions. Maybe your ox isn't being gored by an alcohol tax, but it hits everyone in the long run
75 posted on 03/05/2004 1:19:27 PM PST by Damagro
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To: metesky
It all started with Mickey the Dukes Section 8 relocation program.

Of course. This is Mass after all, they could screw up anything.

And now you can't even smoke in the great mid-Cape bars and saloons!

I know. And no smoking in the bars in Southie. Southie!?

76 posted on 03/05/2004 1:20:13 PM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: UnklGene
I know what's really going on here...Doctors are taking revenge on lawyers!
77 posted on 03/05/2004 1:20:42 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: UnklGene
Doesn't take much to make homebrew.
78 posted on 03/05/2004 1:20:44 PM PST by cyborg (In die begin het God die hemel en die aarde geskape.)
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To: freeeee
So long as government pays for medical expenses,


The government pays for medical expenses? The government doesn't have any money. You're barking up the lib tree with that thinking. If you're worried about government healthcare costs, it makes more sense to get the government out of healtcare than taxing paying customers at the bar
79 posted on 03/05/2004 1:25:59 PM PST by Damagro
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To: freeeee
Every time I think of no smoking in Southie, I think of the BPD's old Flying Squad charging into the now defunct Rabbit Inn during the bussing thing and getting their asses kicked by the IRA boyos.

Bwahahahaha!

80 posted on 03/05/2004 1:26:42 PM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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