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Double drink prices, urges doctors -
The Telegraph - UK ^ | March 5, 2004 | Celia Hall

Posted on 03/05/2004 12:00:54 PM PST by UnklGene

Double drink prices, urge doctors -

By Celia Hall, Medical Editor (Filed: 05/03/2004)

Doctors called yesterday for the price of alcohol to be almost doubled in an attempt to reduce the harm caused by excessive drinking.

The Academy of Medical Sciences, an independent body of senior doctors and researchers, has concluded that attitudes to drinking need to change.

Click to enlarge The best way to cut the amount people drink is to limit the affordability and availability of alcohol, they say.

The doctors' leader, Prof Sir Michael Marmot, said: "Alcohol is a good friend and a bad enemy. We are not against alcohol. It gives pleasure and also confers health benefits."

However, the academy argues that drinking levels should return to those of the early 1970s when the population drank on average seven litres of alcohol per head a year. This compares with the 11.1 litres now consumed. The figures represent a rise of 50 per cent in 30 years.

They say there is a direct link between the relative cheapness of alcohol and the increasing amounts consumed.

The doctors have called for the price of beer, wine and spirits to be increased to 1970 levels. In relative terms alcohol was nearly twice as expensive 30 years ago, they say.

Sir Michael, professor of epidemiology and public health at the University College London, said such measures would have a greater impact on the pockets of young people who drank too much than on people who drank sensibly. "We believe that if you can reduce the average you will also be able to do something about the heavy drinkers," he said.

"A strategic programme is needed to curb the nation's escalating level of drinking in the interests of individual and public health. The country has reached a point where it is necessary and urgent to call time on runaway alcohol consumption."

The academy's report, Calling Time, also proposes limits on the amount of alcohol people can bring in from Europe and lower drink driving limits - down from 80mg per 100ml of blood to 50mg and to zero for drivers younger than 21.

The report says the current travellers' allowance gives a heavy drinker a 272-day supply.

They say this should be reduced to the permitted level of nicotine imported for personal use which gives a 20-a-day smoker a 40-day supply.

"Educational approaches have been disappointing but this may be swamped by contrary advertising," the report says. "Price modulation usually through tax increase is highly effective, particularly in under-age drinkers.

"A 10 per cent rise in the price of all alcoholic beverages has been estimated to reduce mortality from alcohol-related conditions by seven to 37 per cent."

Prof Ian Gilmore, registrar of the Royal College of Physicians and a member of the working party, accepted that their recommendations would not please politicians. "The report makes it very clear that targeting problem drinkers is not sufficient," Prof Gilmore said.

"It collects the compelling evidence that one of the most effective ways of reducing harm to individuals is to reduce the escalating national consumption of alcohol.

"This challenge makes alcohol an issue for society as a whole, and we encourage a wide debate on the policy options of proven benefit, such as increasing price and limiting access, unpalatable to politicians though they may be. The doctors said that drinking at levels of one or two drinks a day provided proven health benefits but that higher amounts began to do harm.

Deaths from chronic liver disease had risen from 124 in men and 86 in women, aged 45 to 54, in 1970 to 805 and 405 respectively in 2000. Alcohol is responsible for 70 per cent of cirrhosis deaths.

Prof Gilmore said: "I now see liver cirrhosis in people in their 20s and 30s, pretty women, who think they will get a warning sign. But the first thing you know is that you go yellow and your belly swells up. People are not just drinking more, they are drinking younger."

The report says that over 30 years chronic liver disease has escalated by more than 450 per cent.

A spokesman for the Department of Health said the Cabinet was producing its own report on reducing harm caused by alcohol in the next few weeks.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
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To: realpatriot71
Government supportive nanny staters have no right to call themselves a "realpatriot". Please change your monikor to more accurately reflect your views.
41 posted on 03/05/2004 12:37:27 PM PST by CSM (Looking for a stay at home mom for my future offspring!)
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To: UnklGene
Let's see! In 1970 to my recollection a bottle of beer here in Ohio cast about$.50 and a mixed drink maybe $1.00. They cost more today, but our consumption has gone up! So raise the price further and our consumtion will go --- up?
42 posted on 03/05/2004 12:39:05 PM PST by NavyCaptain
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To: CSM
Government supportive nanny staters have no right to call themselves a "realpatriot". Please change your monikor to more accurately reflect your views.

You don't have a right to cheap booze. If you don't want to pay their tax, make your own.

BTW - kiss my ass

43 posted on 03/05/2004 12:39:39 PM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: swarthyguy
I love the comparison to 1970 prices!

In 1970 in almost any neighborhood bar in Brockton, you could get a 16 oz. Narragansit (Nasty Narrie) and a shot of bar whiskey for $.60!

Workingman's luncheon special.

44 posted on 03/05/2004 12:42:13 PM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: freeeee
indeed.
45 posted on 03/05/2004 12:42:13 PM PST by kallisti
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To: UnklGene
Yes, we need more control!

People don't go to the doctor enough, and I have the perfect solution; cut all doctor's salaries in half!

46 posted on 03/05/2004 12:42:22 PM PST by Cobra Scott
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To: realpatriot71

"If you don't want to pay the tax, make your own tea."

47 posted on 03/05/2004 12:42:53 PM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: realpatriot71
make your own.

Don't we have laws prohibiting that?

48 posted on 03/05/2004 12:43:35 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: UnklGene
We have a big problem in their reasoning.

However, the academy argues that drinking levels should return to those of the early 1970s when the population drank on average seven litres of alcohol per head a year. This compares with the 11.1 litres now consumed.

The doctors said that drinking at levels of one or two drinks a day provided proven health benefits but that higher amounts began to do harm.

Taking the latter point, the official recommendation is 3 drinks per day (for a man). If one assumes that these are standard glasses of wine, each being 125 m.l., that makes 375 m.l./day of wine. That makes 136.875 litres of wine per annum. Taking 12.5% a.b.v. gives 13.86875 litres of pure alcohol; i.e., this excessive drinking (11 litres) is below the government suggestion (14 litres).
49 posted on 03/05/2004 12:44:45 PM PST by tjwmason (A voice from Merry England.)
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To: realpatriot71
A real patriot like the great brewer Samual Adams would be ashamed to be seen in your company.
50 posted on 03/05/2004 12:45:52 PM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky
Not to mention what Thomas Paine might have written about today's America.
51 posted on 03/05/2004 12:47:23 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: tjwmason
Good catch, tj.
;O)
52 posted on 03/05/2004 12:47:26 PM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: realpatriot71
"You don't have a right to cheap booze."

I thought that personal liberty and freedom meant that I do have the right to cheap booze. I am also under the impression that government should be limited in its power and that the evergrowing theft of cash out of our pockets was evil.

I see that I am mistaken and that real patriots should be supportive of the government's right to take as many dollars of mine in taxes as they desire.
53 posted on 03/05/2004 12:48:01 PM PST by CSM (Looking for a stay at home mom for my future offspring!)
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To: tjwmason
NO, no, those numbers are calculated using the effects of SHS on a human body with the same amount of alcohol.

Massages aren't just for backs. They work even better on stats.
54 posted on 03/05/2004 12:48:46 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: UnklGene
The hard core consumers will pay the price while their dependents will have to do with less. Some doctors think they are so smart.
55 posted on 03/05/2004 12:51:34 PM PST by oyez
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To: UnklGene
Would this affect Ted Kennedy???
56 posted on 03/05/2004 12:53:08 PM PST by cynicom
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To: metesky
Aaaah,Brockton---the old nemesis of Newton North.
57 posted on 03/05/2004 12:53:10 PM PST by Mears
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To: realpatriot71
I don't have to buy, and I don't pay the tax. It's a choice.

I agree it is a choice. My disagreement comes with your apparent willingness to ok a tax on what you would call a "vice". Taxes such as that, always well intentioned (like the road to hell), are in my experience, miserable failures. In the end, small businesses such as bars and restaurants will get crushed, black or gray margets will emerge, and the "health benefits" that everyone should enjoy due to higher taxation turn out to be a myth. It's my hope that most voters, and their representatives, are reluctant to promote more taxation for something as ridiculous as limiting someone's personal legal freedoms.

58 posted on 03/05/2004 12:56:04 PM PST by Shryke
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To: Shryke
>>>It's my hope that most voters, and their representatives, are reluctant to promote more taxation for something as ridiculous as limiting someone's personal legal freedoms.

FAT CHANCE. Mention health or kids, and people will turn in their mother.

59 posted on 03/05/2004 12:58:49 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Mears
I knew it was time to leave Cape Cod when Barnstable High beat Brockton for the Div. I football title.

When we moved to the Cape it was a nice place; low population, three month summer party, return to normalcy.

Now you might as well live in Brockton or Malden or Meffa.

60 posted on 03/05/2004 12:59:34 PM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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