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Double drink prices, urges doctors -
The Telegraph - UK ^ | March 5, 2004 | Celia Hall

Posted on 03/05/2004 12:00:54 PM PST by UnklGene

Double drink prices, urge doctors -

By Celia Hall, Medical Editor (Filed: 05/03/2004)

Doctors called yesterday for the price of alcohol to be almost doubled in an attempt to reduce the harm caused by excessive drinking.

The Academy of Medical Sciences, an independent body of senior doctors and researchers, has concluded that attitudes to drinking need to change.

Click to enlarge The best way to cut the amount people drink is to limit the affordability and availability of alcohol, they say.

The doctors' leader, Prof Sir Michael Marmot, said: "Alcohol is a good friend and a bad enemy. We are not against alcohol. It gives pleasure and also confers health benefits."

However, the academy argues that drinking levels should return to those of the early 1970s when the population drank on average seven litres of alcohol per head a year. This compares with the 11.1 litres now consumed. The figures represent a rise of 50 per cent in 30 years.

They say there is a direct link between the relative cheapness of alcohol and the increasing amounts consumed.

The doctors have called for the price of beer, wine and spirits to be increased to 1970 levels. In relative terms alcohol was nearly twice as expensive 30 years ago, they say.

Sir Michael, professor of epidemiology and public health at the University College London, said such measures would have a greater impact on the pockets of young people who drank too much than on people who drank sensibly. "We believe that if you can reduce the average you will also be able to do something about the heavy drinkers," he said.

"A strategic programme is needed to curb the nation's escalating level of drinking in the interests of individual and public health. The country has reached a point where it is necessary and urgent to call time on runaway alcohol consumption."

The academy's report, Calling Time, also proposes limits on the amount of alcohol people can bring in from Europe and lower drink driving limits - down from 80mg per 100ml of blood to 50mg and to zero for drivers younger than 21.

The report says the current travellers' allowance gives a heavy drinker a 272-day supply.

They say this should be reduced to the permitted level of nicotine imported for personal use which gives a 20-a-day smoker a 40-day supply.

"Educational approaches have been disappointing but this may be swamped by contrary advertising," the report says. "Price modulation usually through tax increase is highly effective, particularly in under-age drinkers.

"A 10 per cent rise in the price of all alcoholic beverages has been estimated to reduce mortality from alcohol-related conditions by seven to 37 per cent."

Prof Ian Gilmore, registrar of the Royal College of Physicians and a member of the working party, accepted that their recommendations would not please politicians. "The report makes it very clear that targeting problem drinkers is not sufficient," Prof Gilmore said.

"It collects the compelling evidence that one of the most effective ways of reducing harm to individuals is to reduce the escalating national consumption of alcohol.

"This challenge makes alcohol an issue for society as a whole, and we encourage a wide debate on the policy options of proven benefit, such as increasing price and limiting access, unpalatable to politicians though they may be. The doctors said that drinking at levels of one or two drinks a day provided proven health benefits but that higher amounts began to do harm.

Deaths from chronic liver disease had risen from 124 in men and 86 in women, aged 45 to 54, in 1970 to 805 and 405 respectively in 2000. Alcohol is responsible for 70 per cent of cirrhosis deaths.

Prof Gilmore said: "I now see liver cirrhosis in people in their 20s and 30s, pretty women, who think they will get a warning sign. But the first thing you know is that you go yellow and your belly swells up. People are not just drinking more, they are drinking younger."

The report says that over 30 years chronic liver disease has escalated by more than 450 per cent.

A spokesman for the Department of Health said the Cabinet was producing its own report on reducing harm caused by alcohol in the next few weeks.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
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To: Damagro
LOL!!!

and it gets worse - I was born and raised in the big city and CHOSE to move to a small town and then again to a rural area, my husband is also very conservative (sometimes more than me), we were married before I got pregnant, and we have always chosen to go the way of doing what is necessary to pay our billsl without relying on the government.

I've got one strike against me - our daughter goes to public school - but we chose to move here specifically because the district is so good. Now that she is in school I would like to go back to work doing what I enjoy - but it's difficult because my husband's hours are erratic and one of us must be here for school dismissal or the bus arriving - and that is mostly going to be me.

I'm not complaining at all - this is a choice we made when we decided to become parents.

But since we do all the right things - some people seem to think that we would willingly accept more rules, regulations and TAXES nice and quietly - they've got another thing coming.
101 posted on 03/05/2004 2:44:25 PM PST by Gabz (The tobacco industry doesn't pay cigarette taxes - smokers do!)
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To: swarthyguy
Perhaps the Socialists should take a lesson from the Communists:

The Gorbachev lesson

Putin has not forgotten his history lessons. The last Russian leader to interfere with his countrymen's drinking habits was former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, whose well-intentioned attempt in the 1980s to reduce alcoholism was a political disaster.

Appalled by statistics that reported up to 40 percent of the Russian adult male population was alcoholic, "Misha" cut back production and hours that vodka could be sold -- earning the utter disdain of the Russians.

Although the benefits were obvious -- longer life expectancy, fewer divorces and accidents -- Russians hated sobriety by government decree.

Gorbachev's efforts resulted in huge revenue losses, lengthy lines and a booming black market in alcohol. More than that, they lost Gorbachev the affection he expected from the Russian people for Glasnost; instead he received only their loathing.

Gorbachev reportedly tells this story: "This guy," he says, "was standing in line for 10 hours to buy vodka, and finally decided to go to the Kremlin to kill Gorbachev. The next day, the guy was back in the vodka line: 'It didn't work,' he tells the others. 'The line to the Kremlin is even longer.'"

A brief history lesson

102 posted on 03/05/2004 3:14:24 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: freeeee
So long as government pays for medical expenses

How about those of us that HAVE our own health insurance?

103 posted on 03/05/2004 3:17:05 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Gabz
I'm glad we moved to a small farm - I'll start growing my own tobacco and then start adding the beer making crops.......

The Pork Barrel Government is becoming more pig-like every day! If that's possible!


104 posted on 03/05/2004 3:20:07 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Shryke
I think the times, they are a changin' (for the better, obviously).

For the BETTER?! I don't think all this government intrusion into our lives is a GOOD thing! It's becoming a bit scary, IMHO!

105 posted on 03/05/2004 3:24:55 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: UnklGene
Doubling alcohol prices = increased poverty.

This is because alcoholics will put their alcohol purchases ahead of everything else including food and shelter for them and their families.

As for everybody else, there will be a lot more homebrewing going on.

106 posted on 03/05/2004 3:27:06 PM PST by SamAdams76 (Red Sox lose first exhibition game...well...maybe next year.)
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To: Bella_Bru
Don't we have laws prohibiting that?

You can brew beer, but not spirits, currently. Get rid of the laws preventing people from making their own - wouldn't bother me any.

107 posted on 03/05/2004 3:36:58 PM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: CSM
I see that I am mistaken and that real patriots should be supportive of the government's right to take as many dollars of mine in taxes as they desire

Its a consumption tax, if you don't want to pay it, don't buy the alcohol.

108 posted on 03/05/2004 3:40:03 PM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: Shryke
I agree it is a choice. My disagreement comes with your apparent willingness to ok a tax on what you would call a "vice". Taxes such as that, always well intentioned (like the road to hell), are in my experience, miserable failures. In the end, small businesses such as bars and restaurants will get crushed, black or gray margets will emerge, and the "health benefits" that everyone should enjoy due to higher taxation turn out to be a myth. It's my hope that most voters, and their representatives, are reluctant to promote more taxation for something as ridiculous as limiting someone's personal legal freedoms.

Look I'm not trying to stop anyone from buying a beer(s). I don't advocate limiting anyone's "freedom" - if you can buy the booze, you can drink it. If you don't want to pay the tax don't drink.

109 posted on 03/05/2004 3:42:27 PM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: Madame Dufarge
The frog never notices the rising water temperarute.

Instead of the Eagle, a better symbol might be Kermit.
110 posted on 03/05/2004 4:08:36 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: UnklGene
The academy's report, Calling Time, also proposes limits on the amount of alcohol people can bring in from Europe and lower drink driving limits - down from 80mg per 100ml of blood to 50mg and to zero for drivers younger than 21.
Any reputable scientist not blinded by a non-scientific agenda knows there is no such thing as "zero" in chemical analysis.

-Eric

111 posted on 03/05/2004 5:30:45 PM PST by E Rocc (A Michael Moore movie about politics is about as realistic as an Ed Wood movie about outer space.)
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To: Damagro
Alcohol is a vice
Vice: something other people do that one disapproves of.

-Eric

112 posted on 03/05/2004 5:48:26 PM PST by E Rocc (A Michael Moore movie about politics is about as realistic as an Ed Wood movie about outer space.)
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To: freeeee
If some tavern owner had utilized his Second Amendment perogatives when Carrie Nation started damaging his property with an axe handle, the country would have been saved quite a bit of aggravation.

-Eric

113 posted on 03/05/2004 5:52:02 PM PST by E Rocc (A Michael Moore movie about politics is about as realistic as an Ed Wood movie about outer space.)
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To: UnklGene
They just don't quit, do they.
114 posted on 03/05/2004 7:48:22 PM PST by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: tdadams
This compares with the 11.1 litres now consumed. The figures represent a rise of 50 per cent in 30 years.

Not surprising...... our politicians are driving us to drink.

115 posted on 03/05/2004 7:50:52 PM PST by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: SheLion
LOL, I mean what is coming, SheLion, not now.
116 posted on 03/06/2004 8:03:41 AM PST by Shryke
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To: Shryke
LOL, I mean what is coming, SheLion, not now.

LOL! What? You lost me! heh! :)

117 posted on 03/06/2004 10:12:29 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: realpatriot71
"Its a consumption tax, if you don't want to pay it, don't buy the alcohol."

Yep, but if everyone chose not to purchase it the "lost revenues" would cause the gubmint to find other "consumption taxes". When they finally get to taxing water consumption, will you take the same attitude?
118 posted on 03/08/2004 5:36:53 AM PST by CSM (Looking for a stay at home mom for my future offspring!)
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To: UnklGene
This is completely outrageous. Anybody who has ever been closely involved with an alcoholic knows that nothing is going to stop them from drinking. This would lead to three things....the alcoholic spending his familiy's money to support his habit, alcoholics resorting to stealing and other criminal behavior to finance their habit and a new black market distributing alcohol. Look what has happened with tobacco. Who'd have ever thought it would be a crime to circumvent the government to buy cigarettes at a reasonable price? I'm beginning to think you have to have the IQ of a potato to be a bureaucrat.
119 posted on 03/08/2004 6:07:51 AM PST by sweetliberty (To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: CSM
When they finally get to taxing water consumption, will you take the same attitude?

Water is a nutrient - a necessity - smoke is not. Try living without water, then try living without smoke . . . I'd be interested in your findings.

"One of these things s not like other . . ."

120 posted on 03/08/2004 6:52:08 AM PST by realpatriot71 ("A Republic, madam, if you can keep it" - Ben Franklin, 1787)
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