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1 posted on 03/05/2004 8:26:01 AM PST by Pikamax
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If you criticize his film and the Jew-baiting by which he promoted it, you are persecuting him

You attacked him personally, you attacked his family, and you attacked his film, BEFORE YOU EVER EVEN SAW IT.

But, I guess that's ok, eh, Frankie?

2 posted on 03/05/2004 8:31:00 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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The Attack Poodle is angry! Listen to him whine!
3 posted on 03/05/2004 8:31:10 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Wow, what a bitter and hateful person is this Frank Rich.
4 posted on 03/05/2004 8:31:31 AM PST by VRWCmember (Dick Gephardt is a <a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure </a>)
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Contrast with this:

Gibson transcends electronic medium with a passion
The Australian ^ | March 4, 04 | Frank Devine
Posted on 03/04/2004 5:00:15 PM PST by churchillbuff

Gibson transcends electronic medium with a passion

March 05, 2004 IT'S gratifying to learn that Mel Gibson has got $US146 million ($194 million) back in a week from his $US40 million personal financing of The Passion of the Christ. The opening burst is from North America only. The picture hasn't yet been released in most parts of the world.

One reason for my interest in the money-spinning side of Gibson's risky venture - when others are more high-mindedly concerned with its religious and cultural aspects - is simple mean-spiritedness. It's one in the eye for The New York Times.

After a year of breaking its back and its principles, first to prevent the movie getting a showing, and then to condemn it as encouraging anti-Semitism and being faithless to the scriptural record, the Times published a spiteful little story last week under the headline, "New movie may harm Gibson's career".

It quoted two Hollywood studio chiefs saying, in effect, that Mel would never eat lunch in this town again. They would, themselves, never do business with him.

Hollywood being Hollywood and shareholders being shareholders, it's hard to credit studio heads black-balling a maker of (conceivably) a billion- dollar movie. According to The Los Angeles Times, Gibson avoided the Oscar ceremonies this week, having been invited to attend as a presenter, because he was afraid of being booed.

If this was really the reason for his absence, Mel should probably have taken his chances. Hollywood being Hollywood, a take of $US125 million in the first week would have caused an awful lot of boos to catch in the throat. It may well be in my nature to linger over the coarsely materialistic aspects of Gibson's success against the odds, but there is no question that there are other, far more powerful benefits in Passion's securing a large audience.

Consider that the nine other movies in the present top 10 US box office winners are: 50 First Dates, Twisted (of the serial killer genre), Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen, Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights, Miracle (about the victory of the 1980 American Olympic ice hockey team over the Russians), Eurotrip (teenage sex comedy), Welcome to Mooseport (political farce), Barbershop 2 and Broken Lizard's Club Dread (yet another slasher horror flick spoof).

Since I have seen none of them, it would be impetuous to dismiss them as gunk, though I don't believe the danger of error is high. However, every one of these pictures - with their plot synopses a pretty reliable guide - is the work of a collective of marketers, money changers, publicists, opinion pollsters and studio chiefs steeped in cynicism.

Gibson's picture, by contrast, is a work of personal inspiration. Its success at the box office may erode the hegemony of the depraved collective, especially as it provides far less leeway for rip-off imitation than other successful movies of originality and individuality.

Then there is the matter of accusations against The Passion of fostering anti-Semitism. Writing with transparent honesty (unlike some of his colleagues) in The New York Times, William Safire asserts that Gibson searches in the movie for someone to blame for Jesus's tortures, and settles on the Jews.

I am entirely unable to share this perception. The high priest Caiphas is depicted as villainous, a cruel, power-seeking political schemer.

But a considerable number of dissenters in the Jewish leadership are shown being brutally silenced by Caiphas's claque.

As others have pointed out, all the good people in the picture are Jews. In a telling scene, a Roman soldier uses "Jew!" as an insult against the noble Simon of Cyrene, who helps Jesus carry his cross and tries to protect him from the clubs and whips of the soldiers.

A large audience, I think, ensures a greater plurality against the evil foolishness of attributing Caiphas's wickedness to others. Finally, I need to turn to the personal to make the most important point about Gibson's movie.

It's always been my feeling that religious belief belongs to one's inner life, nurtured and strengthened during a lifetime of experience, observation and contemplation. Externalities just provide the scaffolding. On the other hand, religion has inspired all forms of art through all the generations, and religious art stirs the emotions.

Sometimes it brings tears, not for Jesus, because his suffering and death are awesome, but for the frail human beings in his company. For poor Judas. For Peter, bravely following Jesus to his place of trial, and then devoting the rest of his life to expiating his failure of nerve under direct threat. For the women who followed Jesus to Calvary.

Until now, the new mediums - moving pictures with sound, electronically transmitted - have for the most part resisted depiction of transcendent concepts.

Gibson may have drawn the first sketchy explorer's map. The Passion of the Christ is a true work of art, and enters the inner life.

5 posted on 03/05/2004 8:32:32 AM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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Bitter, bitter, bitter.

Hate, hate, hate.

Oh well, what else would I expect from a Liberal.

6 posted on 03/05/2004 8:34:21 AM PST by DoctorMichael (What the %$#&!)
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My local Jewish paper published two articles - one expressed the views of a number of Rabbis who'd seen the picture, the other were the views of several Christian clergy who'd seen the picture. None of the Rabbis had anything positive to say. Only one of the Christian clergy said the movie was anti-Semitic, but all of them expressed some level of concern about the negative images of Jews in the film.
7 posted on 03/05/2004 8:36:40 AM PST by h.a. cherev
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What a nasty, bitter, pathetic piece of work is Frank Rich.

I loved that particularly snivelling comment toward the end, where Rich notes that "scandal-ridden" Governor Rowland (CT) liked The Passion.

And Hitler liked dogs, too. Does that mean we should all hate dogs, now, Frank Rich, because Hitler liked them too?

9 posted on 03/05/2004 8:40:37 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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Frank Rich again? Is he afraid that if he doesn't condemn Gibson often enough, he will lose his position on today's Sanhedrin of Jewish journalists?
11 posted on 03/05/2004 8:41:28 AM PST by per loin (Ask about Secret News: ADL to pay $12M for defaming Colorado couple.)
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Just more pouting from a bitter loser. It'd be a waste of time to address any of his points. Why do his publishers think anyone would be persuaded by this hateful dribble?
12 posted on 03/05/2004 8:42:11 AM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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Not a single original idea in this critique. Talking points from the fearful liberal left.
15 posted on 03/05/2004 8:44:35 AM PST by johniegrad
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With its laborious build-up to its orgasmic spurtings of blood and other bodily fluids, the film is constructed like nothing so much as a porn movie

Is Rich gay? I've seen a similar attitude before; in an article in the Boston Globe during the height of the priest scandal, a gay "Catholic" talking about (among other things) the homoerotic aspects of a crucifix. It floored me at the time (and gave me the creeps), but things in this article reminded me of it.

16 posted on 03/05/2004 8:45:12 AM PST by maryz
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Thus we see the gospel according to Mel. If you criticize his film and the Jew-baiting by which he promoted it, you are persecuting him.

In Frank's world, Christian-baiting is A-Okay.

And Christianity itself is anti-Semitic.

21 posted on 03/05/2004 8:50:59 AM PST by Reelect President Dubya (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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What concerns me much more are those with leadership positions in the secular world - including those in the media - who have given Gibson, "The Passion" and its most incendiary hucksters a free pass for behavior that is unambiguously contrived to vilify Jews.

WHAT??

What media have YOU been watching/reading/listening to?

22 posted on 03/05/2004 8:51:00 AM PST by MegaSilver
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If Hitler did a movie with these numbers, we'd give him his next deal," one Jewish mogul
told me in a phone conversation this week.


Congratulations, Frank Rich.
You've just pushed more a bigger anti-Semitic image than Hutton Gibson ever possibly could.

After this sort of revelation, I don't know why any Jew would ever trust you with
a confidence again.

Frank Rich, surely you are on the payroll of the KKK, The Christian Identity Movement,
and a band of other thugs who'd otherwise love to finish Hitler's mission.
27 posted on 03/05/2004 8:59:18 AM PST by VOA
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I do not believe in "jew-baiting." I do not even believe in "moron-baiting," generally. People who are genuinely slow-witted should never be made fun of. However,....

Someone who has made himself into a moron, by having the journalistic ethics of a depraved alley cat, by twisting facts, printing lies, and always keeping his personal bigotry, front and center, now THAT's a person who needs to be baited. I do not care the least that Frank Rich is a Jew. I'm not too concerned that he is a screaming liberal. However, he deserves everything he gets for being a pus-filled blister on the backside of American journalism.

Or am I being too kind to the gentleman?

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28 posted on 03/05/2004 9:00:26 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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"There is no question that it rewrites history by making Caiaphas and the other high priests the prime instigators of Jesus' death while softening Pontius Pilate, an infamous Roman thug, into a reluctant and somewhat conscience-stricken executioner".

On the contrary, there is a question that it "rewrites history". What history book is he reading?

The group with the bad teeth where the hired mob, poor and badly needing a dentist, and very much for sale as a mob, as the film rightly portrayed. I really didn't see any bad teeth in the corrupt mouths of that corrupt segment of the Priesthood.

The author needs to get over himself, corrupt priests are no secret to the world. They are in every religion, including those priests and pastors in both the catholic and prodestant demonminations in the Christian churches.

The author is running from swords that are not there and ignoring swords that are at his back. Voting demonrat is certainly ignoring a real sword at his back, while whining over a film that has little to do with the Jewish race is running from an imaginary sword that has captured all his attention.

He doesn't like Mel Gibson and seeks to unload that dislike on Gibson's movie, not a very honest individual is he.

29 posted on 03/05/2004 9:02:40 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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I doubt that "The Passion of the Christ" will inflame too many people in the Muslim/Arab world, as they will never be allowed to see it. Muslim's reject the Crucifixion story (Jesus was taken up to Paradise, and did not die on a cross per the Holy, Sacred, May Peace be Upon it Koran), and the fundamentalist types will not tolerate any of Jesus' message getting out to the masses (Aramaic is the root language of Arabic and Hebrew, so many Muslims may recognize what's being said, even without subtitles).
30 posted on 03/05/2004 9:04:02 AM PST by pawdoggie
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Thank God - I think. Mel Gibson has granted me absolution for my sins

This is the author's way of saying "I am a complete and total jackass, utterly incapable of coherent, civil discourse.  Please don't bother reading any more of my drooling tripe."

So I won't.

32 posted on 03/05/2004 9:07:32 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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Frank Rick the persecuted? Nope. Doesn't sell.
33 posted on 03/05/2004 9:07:45 AM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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The one ugly incident reported on Ash Wednesday, in which the Lovingway United Pentecostal Church posted a marquee reading "Jews Killed the Lord Jesus," occurred in Denver, where the local archbishop, Charles Chaput, had thrown kindling on the fire by promoting the movie for months.
So out of the 20 million or so people who have seen the film, the only negative thing he can find is that goofball in Denver.
The funniest thing is believing that a Pentecostal minister is influenced by the Catholic archbishop.
34 posted on 03/05/2004 9:07:54 AM PST by sharkhawk (I want to go to St. Somewhere)
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