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WOMAN, 52, BEARS OWN GRANDKIDS
NY Post ^ | March 4, 2004 | Reuters

Posted on 03/04/2004 5:28:53 PM PST by yonif

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:19:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

March 4, 2004 -- DALLAS - A 52-year-old Texas woman has given birth to her own grandchildren - a pair of twin girls she bore as a surrogate mother for her daughter-in-law. Marianne Thoms was released from the hospital yesterday, three days after giving birth in Lubbock.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: grandkids; woman
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1 posted on 03/04/2004 5:28:53 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif; mhking
Just damn!
2 posted on 03/04/2004 5:30:39 PM PST by Alouette (Mitul d'min kadam Shemayo malchusa v'shalim b'ammaya)
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To: yonif
They spent so much time and effort worrying about whether they COULD do it, they never gave a thought as to whether they SHOULD.

--paraphrasing Dr. Malcolm, JURASSIC PARK.

3 posted on 03/04/2004 5:34:04 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: yonif
I bear my sisters kids, but just barely.
4 posted on 03/04/2004 5:38:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (you win wars by making the other dumb SOB die for his country)
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To: yonif; onyx; BlackElk
The actual quote from Jurassic Park:

Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.

5 posted on 03/04/2004 5:40:32 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: MeekOneGOP; Dog Gone
Well ..... all in the family I guess........


Story last updated at 11:07 a.m. Tuesday, March 2, 2004

Double Duty
Woman gives birth to twin grandchildren



She's done skydiving, scuba diving and she's even piloted planes.

But for 52-year-old Marianne Thoms of Levelland, those thrills pale in comparison to bringing her granddaughters into the world.

Marianne, who served as a surrogate mother to her eldest son and daughter-in-law's children, gave birth to 3.8-pound Sydney and 3.6-pound Morgan on Sunday at Covenant Medical Center.

Robin O'Shaughnessy / A-J Photo
Traci Reed of Dripping Springs reflects back on the process which led to her mother-in-law, Marianne, to give birth to her twin girls Sunday night, February 29th, 2004, at Covenant Hospital.
</MCC PHOTOTABLE>It's the first set of girls born to the Reed family in two generations, Marianne said, and an unforgettable experience.

"I think I was a lot more sensitive to how fragile life is and the possibilities about what might happen," Marianne said of her pregnancy, which followed a 28-year interval. "I don't think you think about how fragile life is at 22 and 23."

After trying five years to get pregnant, her son and daughter-in-law, Shawn and Traci Reed of Dripping Springs, learned that Traci couldn't carry a child.

Complications from a miscarriage had caused scar tissue to grow in her uterus, she said. Despite different procedures to fix the problem, doctors finally told the couple that children wouldn't be possible, Traci said.

Robin O'Shaughnessy / A-J Photo
Sydney and Morgan Reed as they are wheeled into the hallway Sunday, Feb. 29, 2004, at Covenant Hopsital.
</MCC PHOTOTABLE>Unless they could find someone to carry their children to term.

"The doctor said to look to your family for someone who could carry," Shawn Reed said. "I didn't think there was anyone in my family who could."

"Our doctor said one of y'all's mothers would be an ideal surrogate," Traci said.

Marianne Thoms stepped forward and offered to carry the children.

Robin O'Shaughnessy / A-J Photo
Marianne Thoms smiles up at her husband, Max, during the interview about her giving birth to her granddaugters Sunday night, February 29th, 2004, at Covenant Hospital.
</MCC PHOTOTABLE>"It was more kind of a spur-of-the-moment deal," Marianne said. "I was really surprised at the support from all the people I knew and people I didn't know. I expected some curiosity and negative comments, but I didn't get any of that."

Shawn and Traci selected a clinic in San Antonio to do the in-vitro procedure. Marianne underwent pre-natal care and gave birth in Lubbock.

It's highly unusual for a woman of Marianne's age to carry children, said Marianne's obstetrician, Dr. Ronnelle Burley.

The pregnancy wasn't without some complications.

Robin O'Shaughnessy / A-J Photo
The Thoms and Reed family at Covenant Hospital Sunday night, February 29th, 2004. Front: Traci Reed, left, Marianne Thoms, right Back: Max Thoms, left and Shawn Reed.
</MCC PHOTOTABLE>Marianne's pre-eclampsia, which developed about six weeks ago, could have been caused by Marianne's age, Burley said.

Pre-eclampsia is a syndrome of abnormal conditions during pregnancy that includes hypertension and edema. Its causes are unknown.

It's common in younger and older mothers, Burley said.

The children and their parents, however, do not have to worry about chromosomal abnormalities associated with pregnancies in older women, Burley said, because the egg came from Traci.

"Rarely do you see any 52-year-old pregnant women, whether it's a surrogate or natural birth," Burley said. "It went well. She was about eight weeks early. Beside that, it went absolutely OK.

Robin O'Shaughnessy / A-J Photo
Shawn Reed flips through photographs family members brought in from the birth of his twin girls Sunday night, February 29th, 2004, at Covenant Hospital.
</MCC PHOTOTABLE>"It's been different. I just think for any woman to do something to the point of allowing someone to use their body for 40 weeks to be pregnant says a lot about that woman," Burley said. "And for someone to have had all these problems and been a trooper about it also says a lot."

Traci said, "How many grandmothers can say they carried their granddaughters — literally?"

Having a pregnant wife in the house after so many years took some getting used to, said Marianne's husband, Max Thoms, an electrician.

"She came to me and asked me what do I think about it," said Max. "I thought about it a lot. You do lots of things for your kids. When you get rewarded like this, you just can't put a price on it. We've got two pretty little girls out of it. We're going to keep them ... Or actually, they're going to keep them."

Marianne said she won't carry any more children for her children.

And that's OK, she said. She's eager to be a grandmother.

"It was real exciting, but I'm looking forward to playing with them," she said.

johnw.davis@lubbockonline.com 766-8713


6 posted on 03/04/2004 5:44:25 PM PST by deport (For Sale: Iraqi rifle, never fired, dropped once)
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To: yonif
This is so wrong on so many levels.
7 posted on 03/04/2004 5:54:14 PM PST by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: PhiKapMom; 2Jedismom; netmilsmom; onyx; EggsAckley
Ping
8 posted on 03/04/2004 5:56:20 PM PST by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: deport
Having your mother bear your own children has not been a nice remark in western society for many years now. There's nothing really morally wrong with what happened here, but it still seems very odd and wrong.
9 posted on 03/04/2004 6:10:53 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: yonif
Many, many years ago when I was 23

I was married to a Wider who was purty as can be

This Wider had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red

My father fell in love with her and soon they two were wed

This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life

For my daughter was my mother cause she was my father's wife

To complicate the matter even though it brought me joy

I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy

I'm my own grampa,

I'm my own grampa

It sounds funny I know

But it really is so

I'm my own grampa

My little baby then became a brother-in-law to dad

And so became my uncle though it made me very sad

For if he was my uncle then that also made him brother

Of the Wider's grown up daughter who of course was my step-mother

My father's wife then had a son who kept them on the run

And he became my granchild for he was my daughters son

My wife is now my mother's mother and it makes me blue

Because although she is my wife she's my grandmother too

I'm my own grampa,

I'm my own grampa

It sounds funny I know

But it really is so

I'm my own grampa

Oh if my wife is my grandmother then I'm her grandchild

And every time I think of it, it nearly drives me wild

For now I have become strangest case you ever saw

As husband of my own grandmother I'm my own grampa

I'm my own grampa,

I'm my own grampa

It sounds funny I know

But it really is so

I'm my own grampa

RIK

10 posted on 03/04/2004 6:14:16 PM PST by Rome2000 (USA enemies for KERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: annyokie
can you explain why it is wrong on a few of those levels ?
The babies are the product of their own real mother and father, the grandmother's eggs weren't used.
I'm asking seriously.
11 posted on 03/04/2004 6:21:03 PM PST by millefleur
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To: annyokie
You are wrong. This is a beautiful thing.
12 posted on 03/04/2004 6:25:05 PM PST by Mama Shawna
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To: millefleur
I would not be able to give them up.
13 posted on 03/04/2004 6:25:49 PM PST by varina davis
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To: millefleur
After giving birth to the babies if the grandmother can just *back off* & be the grandmother, I don't see a problem. I hope this happens.
14 posted on 03/04/2004 6:28:01 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Mama Shawna
I do, too.
15 posted on 03/04/2004 6:28:56 PM PST by Howlin (Just another unrepentant Bush supporter.)
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To: varina davis
If you were that old, you could.......LOL.

Besides, she'll be babysitting all the time!
16 posted on 03/04/2004 6:29:36 PM PST by Howlin (Just another unrepentant Bush supporter.)
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To: millefleur
The previous article that I read this am, said that it was son's sperm and a donated egg.

I guess I'm wrong in thinking it is wrong to bear your son's offspring.

.

17 posted on 03/04/2004 6:36:02 PM PST by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: yonif
It sounds weird. But is really no different then if they had used a unrelated surrogate. Not sure if there is less chance of complications if you use a related surrogate or not.

And she can have visitation without a lot of complicated legal wrangling.

18 posted on 03/04/2004 6:36:13 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proudly out of step with the majority since 1973)
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19 posted on 03/04/2004 6:36:23 PM PST by Consort
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To: millefleur
Ethical issues aside, I wonder about the legal ramifications.

For example is this child legally the surrogate mother's daughter, granddaughter, or BOTH?

For instance, could she be the beneficiary of a generation-skipping trust?

Or, if the surrogate mother died intestate, would this child inheret a daughter's share of the SM's estate?

And so on...

Perhaps some lawyer here will know how all thsi plays out.
20 posted on 03/04/2004 6:37:12 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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