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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Carbon dating shows the shroud to be from 1350-ish, just before it was discovered.
7 posted on 03/04/2004 2:35:23 PM PST by theDentist (Boston: So much Liberty, you can buy a Politician already owned by someone else.)
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To: theDentist
The "Carbon dating" showed the 1350 due it (The Shroud) being in a fire.
9 posted on 03/04/2004 2:37:29 PM PST by madison10
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To: theDentist
"Anyone who still believes that C14 dating has proven the Shroud to be medieval should be quickly disabused of that notion. See the most recent report by Garza Valdes re-printed on www.shroud.com concerning "bio- plastic coating" he found on Shroud fibers, in sufficient quantity to throw the date WAY off. This organic material would of course be younger than the linen itself and would not have been removed in pretreatment."

Just some stuff expaining what could be a error..........Or not......LOL!

13 posted on 03/04/2004 2:40:05 PM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: theDentist
From what I understand, there is no "absolute" accurate way to "date" something that old. We have a very close friend who is an Archeologist with a PHD. She said that this investigation has been extremely thorough, and they cannot disprove the research that has been done on this.

I don't know if you've seen any documentaries on this, but the pictures (they are actually negatives) of the Turin are breath taking! You actually see the face of Jesus!
17 posted on 03/04/2004 2:44:29 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: theDentist
Carbon dating shows the shroud to be from 1350-ish, just before it was discovered.

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That finding was later disputed by another scientist who maintains that tests were done on parts of the Shroud contaminated during that time period.
47 posted on 03/04/2004 3:16:17 PM PST by Bigg Red (Never again trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: theDentist
"Carbon dating shows the shroud to be from 1350-ish, just before it was discovered."

Wholly incorrect. Sorry.

54 posted on 03/04/2004 3:30:10 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: theDentist
Carbon date is known to be skewed by the bacterial "biofilm" being continually deposited on the fibers since their weaving.

Cleaned fibers date first century, IIRC.
62 posted on 03/04/2004 3:39:19 PM PST by null and void (Pay no attention to the 1's and 0's behind the voting booth curtain, and they'll return the favor...)
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To: theDentist
The carbon dating was done on a piece of repaired fabric.

If you think it's a fake, how did they do it? All te smartest scentist have tested it and most say it's for real!

66 posted on 03/04/2004 3:44:13 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: theDentist
Carbon dating shows the shroud to be from 1350-ish, just before it was discovered.

It has now been proven that the carbon dating of the material taken from the Shroud was of a combination of original shroud material and 15th century reweaving using materials from the 15th Century.

The orignal shroud threads were spun with a "Z" twist... the threads used in the French invisible reweaving repair technique have an "S" twist... exactly opposite. The newer material floresces while the new does not because of a different fullering technique between the original linen and the linen threads made in the 15th century. The sample taken for the carbon dating was taken from the ONE area the sceintists who set the original protocol all agreed should not be included.

99 posted on 03/04/2004 6:34:23 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: theDentist
1350 was the approximate date of a fire which damaged the shroud (the scorch marks are readily visible). This can affect carbon dating since the test measures what remains of the half life of a carbon isotope in organic material (like linen). Burning of the material skews the results. In other words, carbon dating can neither prove nor disprove the age of this particular cloth.

The presence of pollen native to the Middle East, the cloth pattern matching what are known to be typical burial shrouds of first century Judea, the coins on the eyes matching those minted in Judea during the governorship of Pontius Pilate, and the condition of the corpse all indicate that the corpse was a (tall for the time) first century man who was beaten and nearly whipped to death, then crucified and prepared for burial in or near what is now Israel. The extensive and brutal scourging, wound in the side, head wounds from something that caused small punctures in the scalp, etc. are also hard to explain away as coincidence.

I'm not a Catholic and have never put much stock in "Holy Relics". You or anyone can choose to believe or not, but the circumstantial evidence is actually quite strong. Beyond that, it's a matter of faith.

183 posted on 03/05/2004 11:40:42 AM PST by katana
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