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Microsoft, Amid Dwindling Interest, Talks Up Computing as a Career
New York Times ^ | March 1, 2004 | Steve Lohr

Posted on 03/03/2004 3:52:50 PM PST by techie12

CAMBRIDGE, Mass., Feb. 26 - Bill Gates went on a campaign tour last week, trying to reinvigorate his base, as they say in politics.

The number of students majoring in computer science is falling, even at the elite universities. So Mr. Gates went stumping at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, M.I.T. and Harvard, telling students that they could still make a good living in America, even as the nation's industry is sending some jobs, like software programming, abroad.

"Will this create more competition? It will," he told students at M.I.T. on Thursday. "It means the U.S. will have to keep its edge in skills."

Later, noting fears of widespread job losses, he said in an interview, "But people are way overreacting."

Mr. Gates urged the students to stay in the game, no matter where they worked - for Microsoft, a rival, a start-up, a research lab.

Matthew Notowidigdo, who came to M.I.T. five years ago and will receive his master's degree in computer science in May, has chosen not to. The head of the department said Mr. Notowidigdo, a 22-year-old native of Columbus, Ohio, was one of his brightest students, who would be welcomed at any computer science Ph.D. program in the country.

But Mr. Notowidigdo has decided not to be a software engineer. Instead, he plans to head to Wall Street this spring to join the bond trading desk at Lehman Brothers, where he will work on research and analyzing fixed-income securities. While he may pursue a Ph.D. someday, he says it will be in economics rather than computer science.

Enrollments are down at the best computer science schools, where the potential stars of technology's future are groomed. Professors say there is less enthusiasm for the discipline among students, and they worry it may be more than a lingering disenchantment after the dot-com bubble burst.

In an effort to counter the trend, Mr. Gates, who personifies technological optimism and the potential payoff, sought to reassure students that their futures were no less bright in an era of outsourcing. The effect of computer technology, he told them, is just beginning and opportunity abounds. Computing, he added, is an ideal field for fine minds to make a difference in society.

"We need your excitement," he told students at Harvard. "Most of these jobs are very interesting and very social - you work with lots of smart people. I'm excited about the future of computing, and I'm excited to see how each of you can contribute to it."

But Mr. Notowidigdo's expertise in software design and programming are also valuable tools on Wall Street, as sophisticated computer programs and models are increasingly used to sniff out profit-making opportunities in the financial markets.

And he said his summer job last year, doing programming work for a New York investment bank, also influenced his plans for the future. The bank's technology department was outsourcing some software work to India, and as part of the project, programmers from Wipro, a large India outsourcing firm, were brought to New York. Mr. Notowidigdo was impressed at the level of their skills.

The outsourcing trend, Mr. Notowidigdo explained, "factors into my thinking about what I want to pursue as a career." His current path as a technologically adept investment banker, he decided, gives him "a broader set of skills and is less risky than software engineering."

Mr. Notowidigdo arrived at M.I.T. in 1999, when technological exuberance was in the air and the allure of computing was at its peak. Now, even at elite schools like M.I.T., the number of students choosing to major in computer science is down.

John V. Guttag, head of the university's electrical engineering and computer science department, points to the "worrisome" downward trend. In the current academic year, 229 sophomores selected his department as their major, down from 282 in 2002 and 342 in 2001, a 33 percent decrease in just two years.

Nationally, there is a similar trend. The Computing Research Association's annual survey of more than 200 universities in the United States and Canada found that undergraduate enrollments in computer science and computer engineering programs were down 23 percent this year.

M.I.T., like other universities, is seeking to counter the trend by emphasizing that computer science is increasingly a collaborative discipline, involving work with experts in other fields of business and science to solve all kinds of economic and social problems. "What we have to emphasize is that a good computer science education is a great preparation for almost anything you want to do," Professor Guttag said. "It's a terrific time to be a computer scientist."

That was the central theme of the Gates tour, which was planned and carried out with the precision of a presidential event. Political veterans were consulted. Aides did a "walkthrough" two weeks ago, checking locations, logistics and travel times. Mr. Gates met with dozens of professors at the five campuses and nearly 5,000 students attended his talks.

After it was over Thursday night, Mr. Gates, pacing in a basement conference room at Harvard, explained his purpose. "Computer science is about to be able to accomplish things that people have been working on for decades," he said. "Yet there doesn't seem to be the buzz, excitement and understanding of that so that the best young people are drawn into it."

With each lecture, his message was that because of ever-faster machines, improved software and the accumulated wisdom of decades of research, computer science was on the cusp of genuine breakthroughs in areas like speech recognition, artificial intelligence and machine-to-machine communication. These advances may take five years, 10 years or more, but they are not so far off now, he said. The trouble with the dot-com years, Mr. Gates told the students, was the delusion that technological revolutions happen overnight, without years of hard work by bright, talented people like them.

Yet already, Mr. Gates told them, the established disciplines - ranging from biology and astronomy to industrial design and finance - increasingly rely on computer analysis and modeling. And the new disciplines, like nanotechnology, are deeply computational.

In that regard, he got no disagreement from Mr. Notowidigdo, the M.I.T. student who has decided to enter the field of financial services. He said he had no regrets about his choice of major. "It opened so many doors for me," Mt. Notowidigdo said. "And understanding computational technology is going to be essential to almost any field in the future."

Mr. Gates said electronic commerce had not yet even begun, and that huge gains in communication, convenience and productivity are on the near horizon. He acknowledged that there were challenges to be overcome in areas like privacy and computer security, skipping lightly over the fact that security flaws have bedeviled many Microsoft products. But even the headaches, he said, are merely intriguing problems for smart computer people to conquer, and profit from.

Mr. Gates scoffed at the notion, advanced by some, that the computer industry was a mature business of waning opportunity. In one question-and-answer session, a student asked if there could ever be another technology company as successful as Microsoft.

"If you invent a breakthrough in artificial intelligence, so machines can learn," Mr. Gates responded, "that is worth 10 Microsofts."


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To: goodnesswins
I have bout only waterfront property since age 25...I am 50 in March. I wanted to know about your area for means of retirement. It looks very tranquil.
21 posted on 03/03/2004 4:50:17 PM PST by international american (Tagline for lease......no down payment@ OAC!!)
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To: international american
My kid already figured that out. He's been pursuing a degree in astrophysics. He's financing it by selling real estate in San Diego. His Spanish speaking skills are sharp enough to conduct complete deals from end to end in Spanish. He English skills are fine too. He wrote the valedictorian speech for his girlfriend (now at Georgetown).
22 posted on 03/03/2004 4:54:42 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: MikeWUSAF
I actually know of people working on sensetive government projects that are sending their work over seas, and their managers dont even know this.

They sit around in their cubes and play computer games all day, and all of their work gets done overnight in New Delhi India.

Of course the Indians turn around and send their work to Vietnam, which is even cheaper, and they sit around and play computer games all day.

The vietnamese actually do the work, because there is basically nothing else to do.

The whole thing is getting completly absurd.

There is nothing that a guy in Vietnam cant do with a computer that you can do, other than putting in a new card, or flipping a switch. But you can train a monkey to do that.

You should change your major.

Cant you see the signs of the times?

23 posted on 03/03/2004 4:57:02 PM PST by FoxPro
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To: Myrddin
Buy a forclosure...paint it and sell it for 20 grand more than you are in it. Do this 10 times a year, and you are all done by age 40!
24 posted on 03/03/2004 5:01:58 PM PST by international american (Tagline for lease......no down payment@ OAC!!)
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To: RightWhale
There are enough general purpose computers to last forever. The next thing is microcontrollers, which is like devolving back to 8-bit processors. The challenge will be to see where a microcontroller is not and put one there.

Hear hear! ... smart systems ... fully networked autonomous appliances with self-diagnosis ... AI and robotics for the home -

- we have only scratched the surface of technology overall - and everyone laments that 'commodity' IT services that sharp high-school kids could do are being outsourced overseas!

25 posted on 03/03/2004 5:21:20 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
R&D is being outsourced as well. Not just the grunt work.

VC's can now start companies using 100% offshore staff and services.

26 posted on 03/03/2004 5:29:20 PM PST by 13foxtrot
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To: Wheee The People
"In their drive for the cheapest labor, (which means foreign) the High Tech industry has slit the throat of the domestic pipeline. Good students suddenly are attracted to banking, law (shudder), business, engineering or anything except computer science. Hello Mr. Gates...Econ 101..."


Yeah. There was already enough trouble getting kids to tackle the tough engineering courses.

I have been a professional engineer (electronics)all my career.

I cannot recommend engineering as a professional pursuit to my kids. You're job WILL go to an H-1B or be outsourced.

It's just not worth the work to get an engineering degree.

Study something that can't be outsourced
27 posted on 03/03/2004 5:37:26 PM PST by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: 13foxtrot
R&D is being outsourced as well.

Stated without cite, without attribution; as if it were the entire picture and true throughout all industry segments.

This view should not be accepted carte blanche without some 'substance' for back up and a little refinement indicating where this has been observed ....

28 posted on 03/03/2004 5:38:50 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: RightWhale
"Engineering is about the only true job training left in college."

As an EE, I can tell you that the job market SUCKS.

It's not so much outsourcing as it is the huge number of H-1Bs coming in to the country.

The funny thing is that in many cases companies hire these folks assuming that they know something. Some are excellent, but many are not, but it looks good on paper.

Just saved a bunch of money!
29 posted on 03/03/2004 5:46:25 PM PST by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: _Jim
A friend of mine who works at a large IP firm just returned from a tour of India tech-businesses. He says his clients are moving core R&D as well as grunt work off-shore.





30 posted on 03/03/2004 5:46:46 PM PST by 13foxtrot
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To: _Jim
Here is one link - but it is not the stuff companies would tend to advertise

"It is a matter of survival for these firms, especially those in the information technology sector where the company's highest costs can be payroll. One venture capitalist even told our researchers that it would be virtually impossible to start a new IT or software company in Silicon Valley without offshore outsourcing," Mr. Challenger says."

http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2004/03/01/daily35.html
31 posted on 03/03/2004 5:49:08 PM PST by 13foxtrot
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To: 13foxtrot
"R&D is being outsourced as well. Not just the grunt work"


So right you are.

It happens all the time.
32 posted on 03/03/2004 5:49:09 PM PST by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: EEDUDE
I have been a professional engineer (electronics)all my career.

We've seen substantial changes since I've been in the field' ... seriously, you didn't expect that vacuum-tubed receivers and TV sets (prolific in the early sixties!) would continue to be manufactured by the likes of Zenith, Curtis-Mathes and Setchel Carlson into the 21st century?

No ... so, too, with today's technology and the tools that create/are used to design, engineer and simulate today's products - we've even seen the revolution in such 'modern' technological areas (and commodities) as 'cell phones'; no longer are they simple full-duplex FM transceivers but CDMA and TDMA protocol devices capable of both 'sight and sound' on transmission as well as reception ... even the cellular 'system' of 10 years ago is now considered 'archaic' ...

33 posted on 03/03/2004 5:51:54 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
"Stated without cite, without attribution; as if it were the entire picture and true throughout all industry segments."

I ca tell you that he is correct.

If you want to do the work, go to the IEEE employment stats.

AND IT IS HAPPENING ACROSS MOST INDUSTRIES.
34 posted on 03/03/2004 5:52:37 PM PST by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: reed_inthe_wind
sure, there is alot of cool stuff going on with consumer electronics too - In Japan and Asia.
35 posted on 03/03/2004 5:56:24 PM PST by oceanview
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To: _Jim
you had to ask:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1088968/posts
36 posted on 03/03/2004 5:58:19 PM PST by oceanview
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To: EEDUDE
If we stop building infrastructure, new construction, we are down to maintenance jobs and won't need design engineers. Thinking of the power grid. The glamour jobs in microcomputers are already filled. What else is there? Communications and military. Well, maybe the new NASA will generate some business.
37 posted on 03/03/2004 5:59:51 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: techie12
I'll tell my unemployed friends to start working on that AI breakthrough right away.
38 posted on 03/03/2004 6:02:49 PM PST by oceanview
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To: 13foxtrot
"It is a matter of survival for these firms, especially those in the information technology sector ...

And as I stated previously: this something that may be considred a commodity nowadays; how do you economically compete in a field which has become 'a commodity' - short answer, I don't think that you do. Our strength in this counry (well, it *has* been) is always advancing onto the next step WHERE a particular customer base is willing to pay for advanced technologyy.

Look at this in your own lifetime - VCRs (used to cost a fortune) Color TVs (equally insanely priced at one time) automatic transmisions (used to be extra-cost options on cars) and computers (main-frame 'iron' and minis by DEC used to be norm until 10 - 15 years ago).

Long ago - horses and buggy whips, entertainment limited to musical talent on the buggy.

Yesterday - the model T and still no radio (until the late forties and Motorola's first car radios)

Today - autotrans, A/C and for mobile music/entertainment: CDs AM, FM and satellite "XM" radio

Tomorrow - ?

39 posted on 03/03/2004 6:02:53 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: techie12
I'm glad to see these young college people are "getting it" and bailing out. Better to make a change now, then be some guy in their 40s looking over their shoulder at work everyday.
40 posted on 03/03/2004 6:04:54 PM PST by oceanview
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