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Microsoft, Amid Dwindling Interest, Talks Up Computing as a Career
New York Times ^ | March 1, 2004 | Steve Lohr

Posted on 03/03/2004 3:52:50 PM PST by techie12

CAMBRIDGE, Mass., Feb. 26 - Bill Gates went on a campaign tour last week, trying to reinvigorate his base, as they say in politics.

The number of students majoring in computer science is falling, even at the elite universities. So Mr. Gates went stumping at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, M.I.T. and Harvard, telling students that they could still make a good living in America, even as the nation's industry is sending some jobs, like software programming, abroad.

"Will this create more competition? It will," he told students at M.I.T. on Thursday. "It means the U.S. will have to keep its edge in skills."

Later, noting fears of widespread job losses, he said in an interview, "But people are way overreacting."

Mr. Gates urged the students to stay in the game, no matter where they worked - for Microsoft, a rival, a start-up, a research lab.

Matthew Notowidigdo, who came to M.I.T. five years ago and will receive his master's degree in computer science in May, has chosen not to. The head of the department said Mr. Notowidigdo, a 22-year-old native of Columbus, Ohio, was one of his brightest students, who would be welcomed at any computer science Ph.D. program in the country.

But Mr. Notowidigdo has decided not to be a software engineer. Instead, he plans to head to Wall Street this spring to join the bond trading desk at Lehman Brothers, where he will work on research and analyzing fixed-income securities. While he may pursue a Ph.D. someday, he says it will be in economics rather than computer science.

Enrollments are down at the best computer science schools, where the potential stars of technology's future are groomed. Professors say there is less enthusiasm for the discipline among students, and they worry it may be more than a lingering disenchantment after the dot-com bubble burst.

In an effort to counter the trend, Mr. Gates, who personifies technological optimism and the potential payoff, sought to reassure students that their futures were no less bright in an era of outsourcing. The effect of computer technology, he told them, is just beginning and opportunity abounds. Computing, he added, is an ideal field for fine minds to make a difference in society.

"We need your excitement," he told students at Harvard. "Most of these jobs are very interesting and very social - you work with lots of smart people. I'm excited about the future of computing, and I'm excited to see how each of you can contribute to it."

But Mr. Notowidigdo's expertise in software design and programming are also valuable tools on Wall Street, as sophisticated computer programs and models are increasingly used to sniff out profit-making opportunities in the financial markets.

And he said his summer job last year, doing programming work for a New York investment bank, also influenced his plans for the future. The bank's technology department was outsourcing some software work to India, and as part of the project, programmers from Wipro, a large India outsourcing firm, were brought to New York. Mr. Notowidigdo was impressed at the level of their skills.

The outsourcing trend, Mr. Notowidigdo explained, "factors into my thinking about what I want to pursue as a career." His current path as a technologically adept investment banker, he decided, gives him "a broader set of skills and is less risky than software engineering."

Mr. Notowidigdo arrived at M.I.T. in 1999, when technological exuberance was in the air and the allure of computing was at its peak. Now, even at elite schools like M.I.T., the number of students choosing to major in computer science is down.

John V. Guttag, head of the university's electrical engineering and computer science department, points to the "worrisome" downward trend. In the current academic year, 229 sophomores selected his department as their major, down from 282 in 2002 and 342 in 2001, a 33 percent decrease in just two years.

Nationally, there is a similar trend. The Computing Research Association's annual survey of more than 200 universities in the United States and Canada found that undergraduate enrollments in computer science and computer engineering programs were down 23 percent this year.

M.I.T., like other universities, is seeking to counter the trend by emphasizing that computer science is increasingly a collaborative discipline, involving work with experts in other fields of business and science to solve all kinds of economic and social problems. "What we have to emphasize is that a good computer science education is a great preparation for almost anything you want to do," Professor Guttag said. "It's a terrific time to be a computer scientist."

That was the central theme of the Gates tour, which was planned and carried out with the precision of a presidential event. Political veterans were consulted. Aides did a "walkthrough" two weeks ago, checking locations, logistics and travel times. Mr. Gates met with dozens of professors at the five campuses and nearly 5,000 students attended his talks.

After it was over Thursday night, Mr. Gates, pacing in a basement conference room at Harvard, explained his purpose. "Computer science is about to be able to accomplish things that people have been working on for decades," he said. "Yet there doesn't seem to be the buzz, excitement and understanding of that so that the best young people are drawn into it."

With each lecture, his message was that because of ever-faster machines, improved software and the accumulated wisdom of decades of research, computer science was on the cusp of genuine breakthroughs in areas like speech recognition, artificial intelligence and machine-to-machine communication. These advances may take five years, 10 years or more, but they are not so far off now, he said. The trouble with the dot-com years, Mr. Gates told the students, was the delusion that technological revolutions happen overnight, without years of hard work by bright, talented people like them.

Yet already, Mr. Gates told them, the established disciplines - ranging from biology and astronomy to industrial design and finance - increasingly rely on computer analysis and modeling. And the new disciplines, like nanotechnology, are deeply computational.

In that regard, he got no disagreement from Mr. Notowidigdo, the M.I.T. student who has decided to enter the field of financial services. He said he had no regrets about his choice of major. "It opened so many doors for me," Mt. Notowidigdo said. "And understanding computational technology is going to be essential to almost any field in the future."

Mr. Gates said electronic commerce had not yet even begun, and that huge gains in communication, convenience and productivity are on the near horizon. He acknowledged that there were challenges to be overcome in areas like privacy and computer security, skipping lightly over the fact that security flaws have bedeviled many Microsoft products. But even the headaches, he said, are merely intriguing problems for smart computer people to conquer, and profit from.

Mr. Gates scoffed at the notion, advanced by some, that the computer industry was a mature business of waning opportunity. In one question-and-answer session, a student asked if there could ever be another technology company as successful as Microsoft.

"If you invent a breakthrough in artificial intelligence, so machines can learn," Mr. Gates responded, "that is worth 10 Microsofts."


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By hiring H-1Bs and offshoring, the industry has done a great job of dissuading college students from majoring in computer science. Now Bill Gates comes in and say, "Hey, guys, don't run off, the computer industry needs you.

Typical of the chutzpah of the ITAA and its open border backers, - no shame. The old story about the quintessential demonstration of chutzpah - the child that kills his mother and father, then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he's an orphan - comes to mind.

Soon the immigration backers will be crying in likewise fashion that increases in H1-B are needed because 'Americans just don't seem to want to do these jobs'.

1 posted on 03/03/2004 3:52:51 PM PST by techie12
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Microsoft, Amid Dwindling Interest, Talks Up Computing as a Career


"I am rapt with attention, Mr. Gates. Please tell me more."

2 posted on 03/03/2004 3:56:27 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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Immigration Bump
3 posted on 03/03/2004 3:58:14 PM PST by techie12
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Now, even at elite schools like M.I.T., the number of students choosing to major in computer science is down.

Proving that they're smart. Given the trends in outsourcing, the use of H-1Bs and L1s, getting a technical degree represents a big investment with little or no return.

Of course, this means that America will lose the ability to do technical work of any sort...but that's OK. Free trade is the key. Makes us all more prosperous, don'cha know.

C'mon, free traitors. Let's outsource more jobs!!!

4 posted on 03/03/2004 4:03:06 PM PST by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: techie12
I would tell my kid, I will lend you 100 grand to buy a apartment building....(tuition) You pay me back in 10 years. In the meantime, get a real estate brokers lic. and buy forclosures!!
5 posted on 03/03/2004 4:05:29 PM PST by international american (Tagline for lease......no down payment@ OAC!!)
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By hiring H-1Bs and offshoring, the industry has done a great job of dissuading college students from majoring in computer science. Now Bill Gates comes in and say, "Hey, guys, don't run off, the computer industry needs you.

Word!

In their drive for the cheapest labor, (which means foreign) the High Tech industry has slit the throat of the domestic pipeline. Good students suddenly are attracted to banking, law (shudder), business, engineering or anything except computer science. Hello Mr. Gates...Econ 101...

6 posted on 03/03/2004 4:05:31 PM PST by Wheee The People (If this post doesn't make any sense, then it also doubles as a bump.)
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To: techie12
There are enough general purpose computers to last forever. The next thing is microcontrollers, which is like devolving back to 8-bit processors. The challenge will be to see where a microcontroller is not and put one there. How many microcontrollers in your car?
7 posted on 03/03/2004 4:09:16 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: techie12
Gates is right. There's still alot of cool things to do with IT. But, if I were starting over, I would have to take a close look at Bio-tech.
8 posted on 03/03/2004 4:12:19 PM PST by reed_inthe_wind (Vienna said the middlemen come from Ger, Nether,Belg, S Af, Jap,Dub, Mal,USA,Rus,Chin,and Pak.)
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No doubt. I've been a software developer since 1988, and the job market is terrible. Companies are no longer willing to pay the big bucks anymore for guys like me. Over the past 12 months I've actually considered a change of careers.
9 posted on 03/03/2004 4:13:54 PM PST by iowaboy
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To: reed_inthe_wind
I think if you look closely the same situation appliesthere also. Biotech is also very heavily H1-B, J-1, L-1 impacted.
10 posted on 03/03/2004 4:15:03 PM PST by techie12
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To: iowaboy
a change of careers

The job situation is not improving in general, so a total change of thinking is required. Rather than thinking job, think business. That's what Gates did.

11 posted on 03/03/2004 4:16:42 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: techie12
Foreign talent alone is no reason to spend your life analyzing fixed income securities. However, if the accounting rules force firms to expense stock options, and the profits from technological improvements will not be shared with creative employees, then it might make sense for young talent to follow the money and go to the Street.
12 posted on 03/03/2004 4:26:38 PM PST by reed_inthe_wind (Vienna said the middlemen come from Ger, Nether,Belg, S Af, Jap,Dub, Mal,USA,Rus,Chin,and Pak.)
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Man, I have been having one hell of a time getting contracts for my 60 Russian programmers doing Oracle, SQL Server, .NET and JAVA. And they work for less than $20 per hour.

The computer science departments in universities here are doomed. I give them all 10 years.

Anybody majoring in computer science needs to have their head examined.

Anybody paying people to program in the US for a decent US wage is essetially commiting a fiscal fraud on their company.
13 posted on 03/03/2004 4:28:13 PM PST by FoxPro
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Ahem.....Microsoft is LAYING OFF Database Administrators RIGHT NOW.....telling them they have 6 weeks to find a job within (or without) Microsoft......They are outsourcing to India....our friend just got his notice....and his boss didn't even have the guts to tell him....made HR do it. MSFT is a weenie company!!!
14 posted on 03/03/2004 4:28:47 PM PST by goodnesswins (Dedicated to Mel Gibson - my new idol)
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To: international american
I'm with you....what resource never grows? Land....invest in land...good land/property.....early on, and you will do well....I think we'll be doing the same as you with our Grandson....we're NOT paying for a college degree, unless it's business....just so he has a base of info.
15 posted on 03/03/2004 4:31:40 PM PST by goodnesswins (Dedicated to Mel Gibson - my new idol)
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To: RightWhale
I recently asked a college student, who had changed his major from engineering to accounting, about job prospects for graduates in his field. He said that a recent accounting grad had landed a job at UPS - as a clerk.
16 posted on 03/03/2004 4:31:55 PM PST by Dark Glasses and Corncob Pipe (14, 15, 16...whatever!)
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To: FoxPro
The computer science departments in universities here are doomed. I give them all 10 years.

And I suspect that you, sir, are an optimist!

17 posted on 03/03/2004 4:35:46 PM PST by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: goodnesswins
we're NOT paying for a college degree, unless it's business

We were discussing this in Ethics class just yesterday in connection with Rawls' Savings Theory. When asked what a level of intergenerational savings should be, paying for college for example, I said zero and the class was stunned into silence. But then they decided that was a reasonable number and we discussed the issue of zero. I pointed out that Harvard has just begun to allow students from poor families [less than $40,000] to attend Harvard for free. So if the student can get into Harvard they can do what they want, and if they can't get into Harvard maybe they shouldn't be going to college anyway.

18 posted on 03/03/2004 4:38:39 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: FoxPro
"Anybody majoring in computer science needs to have their head examined."

I'll graduate in 2 years with a Bachelors of Science in Information Engineering Technology. I agree that software development isn't the place to be however there are some things with technology you just can't outsource. Hardware maintenance, Information Technology Security and sensitive Government IT departments are several examples.

I am currently employed and have 8 years of Windows server administration but I'm looking for another job because I loath the company I work for. I've gotten several calls and although it is not like the 90's there are IT jobs out there.

I would prefer however to run a gift shop in Gatlinburg, Tennessee but that is another story.
19 posted on 03/03/2004 4:39:53 PM PST by TSgt (I am proudly featured on U.S. Rep Rob Portman's homepage: http://www.house.gov/portman/)
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To: Dark Glasses and Corncob Pipe
Engineering is about the only true job training left in college. Music might be a possibility, but you know there are few music jobs at best--high school band director. What else is there? Major in English and write perfect inter-office memos?
20 posted on 03/03/2004 4:42:02 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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