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William F. Buckley Jr.: Israel Frenzy - Neocons in the middle
National Review Online ^ | March 02, 2004 | William F. Buckley Jr.

Posted on 03/02/2004 1:54:29 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy

It is being claimed, ever more widely, that neocon policies are determined by the advantages they bring, manifest or putative, to the State of Israel. Patrick Buchanan, in the current American Conservative, believes this ardently, while the most quoted advocates of neocon militancy, Richard Perle and David Frum, go further than merely to deny that neoconservatism is an Israel First world view. They insist that criticism of neocon policies is, at heart, anti-Semitic.

Richard Perle, co-author with Frum of The End of Evil, old acquaintances remember as being for many years on the public scene as an adamant opponent of Soviet wiles and analyst of the perils of complacent coexistence. Perle's specialty was national defense, and he was there year after year to point out, for instance, that the disarmament fetishists played into the hands of Soviet opportunists. If we unilaterally stopped testing nuclear weapons, we risked Soviet technical advantage. If we stopped deploying theater weapons in Europe, we were threatened by the Soviets' development of their SS-20 missiles and the corresponding advantages in leverage over Western Europe.

It is reasonable to say that Perle's focus on the Communist threat was central to his devising of corollary policies. It is charged now, by e.g. Buchanan, that that focus is now on Israel. That Perle and co-author David Frum rise in the morning with a map of Israel in front of them and decide what ideas, people, countries to encourage, which to discourage, based on their bearing on Israel.

Now these acts of analytical reductionism are in part owing to political realities. Pat Buchanan, who has an ear for the trenchant way of saying things, wrote ten years ago that Congress had become the "Amen corner" for pro-Israel policies. In this space, I once jocularly proposed that Israel be annexed as the 51st state, which would give us the advantage of participating in the formulation of Israeli policies which we would then automatically endorse.

Nobody who knows his way around questions the political leverage of the Jewish vote in critical states or denies the importance of Jewish patronage of favored candidates and office holders.

But the transposition of this into the position that U.S. policies are formulated because they bear directly on Israeli interests is invention. The proposal to go to war against Iraq was, concertedly, advocated in one form or another by Richard Perle. But that policy proceeded from the loins of Donald Rumsfeld and George Bush after the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington, and was animated by the reiterated U.S. interest in the stability of the Near East. The Bush administration arrived at the conviction that the sepsis of which the 9/11 attack was a single, lethal thrust was a variant of the Islamic fundamentalism that had taken over the country of Afghanistan and almost certainly was festering in Iraq. Which was governed by a totalist dictator who had already used weapons of mass destruction and was accumulating an inventory for strikes against his neighbors and nations of the west.

Israel, by geographical proximity, would have been an obvious target of Saddam Hussein's belligerence, but not necessarily the exclusive target of it. Saddam Hussein, in the past, had attacked not Israel but Kuwait, and before that, Iran.

The hostility to Israel on the part of the Muslim community is a fact of life, but to say that the war against Iraq bolstered Israel's security is not to say that we went to war in Iraq in order to bolster Israel's security.

There was no distinctive pressure, in 2003, to send U.S. Marines to Iraq in order to destroy a regime hostile to the State of Israel. And associates of the administration would probably confess, if out of earshot, that they would not have recommended the war on Iraq except for their conviction that it was becoming a storehouse of weaponry which Saddam was entirely capable of using, whether against Kurds, Kuwaitis, Iranians, or Israelis.

The neocon movement, it is being suggested, is motivated by concern for Israel but, more, by its affinity for the Likud Party of General Sharon, which represents militant and, many believe, shortsighted policies, contrasting with policies advocated by many Israelis, including past Israeli leaders, Ehud Barak prominent among them.

It's an unreasonable polarization of opinion: 1) everything a neocon advocates is animated by a concern for Israel, and, 2) every criticism of neocon policy is animated by anti-Semitism. That is straitened thought, and should be resisted.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: iraq; neocon; phonycons; williamfbuckley; williamfbuckly
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To: sarasmom
"Why is it only Jews that you target by ethnicity or religion in your religious comments ?"

I dont answer pointless, erroneous troll-strawmen questions.

You introduced the topic. I could feel your love. I wanted to ascertain its source.

Next question?

I don't think you know the answer.

81 posted on 03/02/2004 8:45:55 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: sarasmom
I think he wants you to 'fess up and admit that you were commander of the guard unit at Sobibor or Treblinka.
82 posted on 03/02/2004 8:53:37 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: sarasmom
Waiting....
I dont cringe from the impotent accusations of annonymous internet ignorants who call me vile names.
Call it a gift, or call it an individual rejection of PC speech.
I frankly dont care what you call me.
You can't stifle me.
83 posted on 03/02/2004 8:57:24 PM PST by sarasmom (Vote no on all judicial retentions. Dont vote for any new judges. Impeach the rest.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Thanks for trying to explain the inexplicable.
I am comfortable in knowing God will judge me.
I dont fear God's judgement of me.

84 posted on 03/02/2004 9:13:48 PM PST by sarasmom (Vote no on all judicial retentions. Dont vote for any new judges. Impeach the rest.)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
'Sepsis' gets my vote. A wonderfully descriptive term in its context.
85 posted on 03/02/2004 9:19:18 PM PST by Imal (Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.)
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To: af_vet_1981
"I substituted a more honorable name for the targets of your gutter words."

I advise against putting words in other peoples' mouths.

If you've ever had it done to you, like I have, you'd know precisely why it's considered poor form.

If you can't make your point without resorting to such tactics, you don't have one.

86 posted on 03/02/2004 9:31:39 PM PST by Imal (Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
btt
87 posted on 03/02/2004 9:33:09 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Imal
I advise against putting words in other peoples' mouths.

Do you understand the use of italics in posted comments ? Did you read his comments ? Do you understand what is going on here ?

If you've ever had it done to you, like I have, you'd know precisely why it's considered poor form.

Do you think if good form to target Jews with gutter names and later feign he did not know they are Jews ? Do you have something inspiring to say about that ?

If you can't make your point without resorting to such tactics, you don't have one.

I have made my point. He has made my point. You are making my point. It is plain as day and night, light and darkness.

88 posted on 03/02/2004 9:40:52 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
The road you walk is your own to choose.
89 posted on 03/02/2004 9:48:49 PM PST by Imal (Every day, I thank God for the Internet.)
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To: Imal
The road you walk is your own to choose.

Yep, one can remain silent or one can remember it's Purim.

90 posted on 03/02/2004 9:51:51 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Alberta's Child
WHY? (perhaps I am misunderstanding your assertions but...)
Why would our defense leadership, and state department be influenced by israel, or jews? Why would we even listen?

I think it is plausible however to believe we have been greatly influenced and controlled by arabists.. because they control the world's oil. The source of their power? Blackmail over oil resources.
Not the Israelis. They control what resource?
Your assertion makes no strategic or political sense. But we hear it from arab supporters and apologists all the time... whining screaming, demanding that Israel is calling the shots in the USA.

Israel is our ally. That is the extent of our relationship.
Closer than Canada, but not as close as Britain.

The only resource that Israel controls here is the hearts and minds of conservative, largely Christian evangelicals, who support them with votes for Pro Israel candidates whenever they can. That won't be changing anytime soon. Get over it. Israel is not our enemy.
91 posted on 03/02/2004 10:12:50 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (smaller government? you gotta be kidding!)
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To: Imal
Sepsis gets my vote. A wonderfully descriptive term in its context.

The Bush administration arrived at the conviction that the sepsis of which the 9/11 attack was a single, lethal thrust was a variant of the Islamic fundamentalism that had taken over the country of Afghanistan and almost certainly was festering in Iraq. -William F. Buckley Jr.

a toxic condition resulting from the spread of bacteria or their products from a focus of infection

As my brother is wont to tell me, metaphors break down. But how else to describe it? Apocalyptic Islamist cells connected to terror masters in control of Iran, to strongholds within Pakistani intelligence, funded by millions from the House of Saud?

Surely these almost insignificant-seeming individual terrorist cells are not our enemy! An invisible hand guides their movements. How to strike that hand? The madrassas still churning out more than enough committed Islamists to be turned into soldiers for the cause.

92 posted on 03/02/2004 11:55:33 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: TopQuark
Phonycon,

Insinuating that I am an anti-Semite is an example of the pathetic and intellectual divoid method of engagement discussed in this article. Suggesting that somehow Dave Frum is a girlish phony because he lacks the courage to go all the way in leveling the charge, is certainly your prerogative, but as you read on that thread, several other folks were fully aware of what Frum was up to.
93 posted on 03/03/2004 6:25:24 AM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.")
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To: af_vet_1981
Are there other Jewish members of the Bush Administration you are including ?

Don't be silly, Vet: our Vice-President, Secretary of State, Rice --- all are Jewish, didn't you know? Most of of the State Department is on Israeli payroll -- that is why they so vigorously support Palestinians.

Ask Alberta Child --- she'll provide you with ample evidence, including the date when Bush converted to Judaism.

94 posted on 03/03/2004 7:28:18 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: JohnGalt
Phonycon,

Johny, you should stop taling until you grow up a little and learn to think. I have not stated on this thread a single view that would allow you even begin to assess where on political/cultural spectrum I am.

The ease with which you throw accusations only shows once more that you have no respect for either Amerian tradition or Judeo-Christian values.

Insinuating that I am an anti-Semite I did not insinuate anything. I merely pointed out that you (i) cannot read, (ii) like to shoot yourself in the foot --- by deliberately misquoting an article and then providing a link to it, and (iii) are a liar, sir.

Regarding the last point, I asked whether the falsehood you perpetrated was inadvertent, and hence a mistake, or deliberate, and hence a lie. You confirmed, in the usual to you manner of uncommon clarity, that it was deliberate.

You are not a Christian --- you violate Commandments all too easily to be one. You are not Ameican, no matter what your birth certificate says -- you spit on our traditions all too easily. You are a liar --- as demonstrated on this thread.

Now, Johny, go to bed and in the future vent your anger at the Jooos eslewhere.

95 posted on 03/03/2004 7:43:52 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Phonycon is the only word to describe folks like yourself. You lack both courage to defend points of view in any manner of intellectual honesty and anytime you get into trouble you pull out the anti-Semite branding iron.

Any serious person who knows Frum's history of character assassination knows what he is up to. Since you seem to be a bright and capable poster, we both know not only what Frum was up to, but what you are up to when you began this interaction suggesting I meant 'Jew-boy' instead of the 'Little Frummer Boy.' That leap in logic is beyond stupidity, and thus its only logical that you know darn well what you are doing and what tactics you are employing in the exchange.

You are an intellectual coward, and your cowardice has given the battlefield back to real conservatives.

Now go turn on the porn magnate's TV network and take the pain away.
96 posted on 03/03/2004 7:58:05 AM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.")
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To: JohnGalt
take the pain away.

:):):):)

97 posted on 03/03/2004 12:12:44 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Don't be silly, Vet: our Vice-President, Secretary of State, Rice --- all are Jewish, didn't you know? Most of of the State Department is on Israeli payroll -- that is why they so vigorously support Palestinians. Ask Alberta Child --- she'll provide you with ample evidence, including the date when Bush converted to Judaism.

No, neither President Bush nor any of the rest converted to become Jews. Rather we have adopted them as Righteous Gentiles according to the their works.

98 posted on 03/03/2004 6:18:29 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: westerfield
Don't post links to that site here.
99 posted on 03/03/2004 6:43:29 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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