[SJackson]

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[MrBambaLaMamba]

End terrorism, kill terrorists.

[2banana]

Let the West Make Peace With Islam First

Let's try all out war first. You know, carpet bombing, invasions, taking of the natural resources (oil fields), flattening cites, killing anyone or anything that stands in the way. It worked for Germany and Japan...

[thoughtomator]

That sounds like a good idea. Let's make peace with Islam, the old-fashioned, enduring way - by complete and total destruction, followed by unconditional surrender, and a reconstruction of those nations based on the principles of liberty and freedom for all.

[tet68]

Islam must first make peace with itself.

[Auntie Dem]

Ideally, defending freedom, encouraging political reform and ensuring human rights are all popular demands that should come from within.

Well allright then, as long as you arabs keep your terrorist values "within" we won't mess with you. The minute you take them "without" we cut off your head. Fair enough?

[Congressman Billybob]

Based on how world events are going, here's how the "West will make peace with Islam:" The military leaders of the West will shake hands with the survivers of the Muslims, in the rubble of Mecca. That's the ticket.

It may be possible that some "Islamic scholars" recognize the self-imposed reasons why their natiuns are so backward. But it is not possible for any such person to state those reasons, in a public forum in any of those nations.

Congressman Billybob

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[Stopislamnow]

"Throughout the second half of the 20th century, numerous wars were fought in the Middle East, ignited directly or indirectly either by West European states or the United States. The 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973 wars were related to the Arab-Israeli conflict which cost human lives, drained resources, and left the region with economic difficulties, crushing deficits and arrested development."


Every single time there was a arab-israeli conflict, arabs started it. Arab dictators have ruled those backwards arab countries. Arab dictators have squandered thier country's riches(oil), corrupt, tyrannical, murdering, conniving arab dictators. In some cases, Islamic arab dictators.
Islam is just as much to blame as those same arab dictators for the decrepit condition of thier countries, the poverty, and the fanatacism of its peoples.

Passing the buck on to the west for thier own 12th century vision of daily life is hilarious and sad and gets repeated over and over by the leaders and powers that be in the arab world.

Islam needs crushed, and these arabs aren't gonna let up on israel until a few cities and a few million arabs get annhilated. Period. They respect power. The only downside is thier "victim" mentality will just grow and they'll whine for a few more thousand years.

The sooner it happens, the better off the world will be.

[Happy2BMe]

"This is usually followed by accusations of conspiracies and allegations of neoimperialism to subdue the region to serve the West’s economic interests and impose its political hegemony."

Since when did Islam start drawing from Communist China for diatribe against the United States?

[Rudder]

The greater the interference or pressures from the West on these countries — whether peacefully by encouraging reform and democracy or militarily by invading them or economically by imposing sanctions and isolation — the more people turn to fundamentalism

Intervention as well as isolation are both opposed in this piece. So it would seem the writer has painted himself into a corner: if we assist them they hate us and if we leave them alone they hate us. All the while, they are regressing backward in time and becoming---save for oil---nothing but a bunch of bloodthirsty thugs with no redeeming qualities. In the short run, if the Arabs don't get their act together, we will suffer their wrath and they ours. In the long run they will become extinct.

[teletech]

These Islamic fanatics really believe they are in a war they can win.

[atomicpossum]

Not only did it traumatize families with the loss of lives of loved ones, it also devastated many others psychologically, their feelings of anger and hostility exacerbated by depression and humiliation.

Oh, PLEASE! I am sick to death of hearing how 'humiliated' Middle Easterners feel and why I should be concerned that they should feel good about their figurative 'manhoods.' If you want to be treated like adults, act like adults.

Face up to your backward societies. Face the fact that most of your governments are corrupt, inept, or both. Face the fact that your tribalist traditions keep you from worthwhile accomplishments. Face the fact that hatred of the West is just a way for your leaders to keep the populace looking at someone else rather than themselves, the real source of all their problems.

All you're overlooking is that it's the West that has given you the technology and oil money that should have allowed you to develop advancing societies, but you remain, socially, a thousand years out-of-date, ruled by tin-pot dictators who collude like bazaar-merchants to keep themselves in power.

[45Auto]

Islam is at war with itself; it has been from its beginnings. As a religion it is very young. It has not gone through enough "growing pains" in order to reform itself, like another major religion did. The reformation saved Christianity (no, I don't want to debate this point) and allowed it to move forward in peace and harmony with not only non-Christians, but with those of other faiths as well. Islam desperately needs a reformation of its own; if it cannot do so, then the next 50 years are going to be the worst, most troubling and disastrous in its history. I won't hazard a guess as to how many of its adherents will be taking a shortcut to Allah; but the choice is clearly with Muslims themselves and the message is simple: get your crap together, or suffer the consequences. Only a John Kerry presidency could postpone the inevitable.

[Alouette]

shouldn’t the West make peace with Islam first?

Yeah, the same way we made peace with Japan. Look at how peaceful and productive the Japanese people are now!

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[swarthyguy]

Looks like the Administration's GME is DOA.

Bahrein, Egypt and Saudi have all nixed it.

Oh, well, we tried, time to take over the oil fields, and cleanse the Peninusla of its WahhabiSaudi infestations.

[swarthyguy]

>>>shouldn’t the West make peace with Islam first?

Why, the US hasn't begun to fight your perverted wahabisalafideathcult. Yet.

Once we do, there will be peace.

[tubavil]

No islam, no terror.

[ahayes]

other conflicts such as the Algeria-Morocco dispute over the Sahara desert

Ok, I'm feeling ignorant. I looked this up and I see Algeria and Morocco have been fighting over a thin strip land called the Western Sahara ever since Spain handed it over to Morocco. I was thinking I must be missing something, but apparently its only natural resources are phosphates and iron ore, none of the land is considered arable, and only a small amount of it is considered "pasture." Why are they fighting over a broiling wasteland?

[Grendelgrey]

...which branch of Islam is it that we are to make peace with? I was unaware that there was a one size fits all form of Islam?

Who is the "GREAT SPOKESMAN" to whom we may bow down and humble our unworthyselves? Will the devout follow the "GREAT SPOKESMAN'S" edicts and "get over it"?... I'm thinkin not