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Let the West Make Peace With Islam First
Arab News ^
| 3-1-04
| Dr. Mariam Al-Oraifi
Posted on 03/01/2004 4:41:59 PM PST by SJackson
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posted on
03/01/2004 4:41:59 PM PST
by
SJackson
To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
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posted on
03/01/2004 4:43:31 PM PST
by
SJackson
(The Passion: Where were all the palestinians?)
To: SJackson
End terrorism, kill terrorists.
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posted on
03/01/2004 4:45:19 PM PST
by
MrBambaLaMamba
(Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the eneny at least you can piss on their god)
To: SJackson
Let the West Make Peace With Islam First Let's try all out war first. You know, carpet bombing, invasions, taking of the natural resources (oil fields), flattening cites, killing anyone or anything that stands in the way. It worked for Germany and Japan...
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posted on
03/01/2004 4:45:49 PM PST
by
2banana
To: SJackson
That sounds like a good idea. Let's make peace with Islam, the old-fashioned, enduring way - by complete and total destruction, followed by unconditional surrender, and a reconstruction of those nations based on the principles of liberty and freedom for all.
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posted on
03/01/2004 4:45:58 PM PST
by
thoughtomator
("What do I know? I'm just the President." - George W. Bush, Superbowl XXXVIII pregame statement)
To: SJackson
Islam must first make peace with itself.
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posted on
03/01/2004 4:46:24 PM PST
by
tet68
( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
To: tet68
to sort of paraphrase the Prez - "they started it - - we're going to end it."
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posted on
03/01/2004 4:48:02 PM PST
by
duckbutt
(Sadaam Husein - biological WMD - 300,000+ killed....and rising)
To: SJackson
Ideally, defending freedom, encouraging political reform and ensuring human rights are all popular demands that should come from within. Well allright then, as long as you arabs keep your terrorist values "within" we won't mess with you. The minute you take them "without" we cut off your head. Fair enough?
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posted on
03/01/2004 4:48:22 PM PST
by
Auntie Dem
(Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
To: SJackson
I've got a good idea. Let those people in charge of countries like Iran, Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia get their collective heads out of their arses and get the radical elements of Islam under some semblence of control. If they fail to do so, then it will be up to US to put them under control. The best method that I can think of is to kill them....their hearts and minds will follow.
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posted on
03/01/2004 4:50:29 PM PST
by
Howie66
("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.")
To: SJackson
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posted on
03/01/2004 4:51:21 PM PST
by
Congressman Billybob
(www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
"Throughout the second half of the 20th century, numerous wars were fought in the Middle East, ignited directly or indirectly either by West European states or the United States. The 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973 wars"
So its our fault that your pathetic countries attacked Israel on your own and got your butts handed to you..interesting.
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posted on
03/01/2004 4:51:50 PM PST
by
xusafflyer
(Keep paying those taxes California. Mexico thanks you.)
To: SJackson
"Throughout the second half of the 20th century, numerous wars were fought in the Middle East, ignited directly or indirectly either by West European states or the United States. The 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973 wars were related to the Arab-Israeli conflict which cost human lives, drained resources, and left the region with economic difficulties, crushing deficits and arrested development."
Every single time there was a arab-israeli conflict, arabs started it. Arab dictators have ruled those backwards arab countries. Arab dictators have squandered thier country's riches(oil), corrupt, tyrannical, murdering, conniving arab dictators. In some cases, Islamic arab dictators.
Islam is just as much to blame as those same arab dictators for the decrepit condition of thier countries, the poverty, and the fanatacism of its peoples.
Passing the buck on to the west for thier own 12th century vision of daily life is hilarious and sad and gets repeated over and over by the leaders and powers that be in the arab world.
Islam needs crushed, and these arabs aren't gonna let up on israel until a few cities and a few million arabs get annhilated. Period. They respect power. The only downside is thier "victim" mentality will just grow and they'll whine for a few more thousand years.
The sooner it happens, the better off the world will be.
To: SJackson
"This is usually followed by accusations of conspiracies and allegations of neoimperialism to subdue the region to serve the Wests economic interests and impose its political hegemony." Since when did Islam start drawing from Communist China for diatribe against the United States?
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posted on
03/01/2004 4:54:22 PM PST
by
Happy2BMe
(U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
To: MrBambaLaMamba
A "recycled" rant that I just posted to an anti-Bush geek on another site:
The hypocrisy is what eats at me the worst. Kerry publicly supported a premptive attack on Saddam in 1997, under Clinton. Now, when it's politically convenient to jump on the accusatory Bush basher bandwagon, everyone forgets that.
Our historic allies have shown their true mettle. They have shown that they are there if they need us, but forget about us if it's financially convenient for them. They all had Billions in cheap oil, military, and other contracts with Saddam, and had the nerve to accuse us of "blood for oil". They were willing to allow Saddam to continue shedding Iraqi blood to keep getting cheap oil for themselves. THEY are the ones who sold out morally for money from Saddam, but no one seemed to notice that.
Our fault for deteriorating relations with other countries? When you were in High school, did you do whatever the other kids did, just to fit in? No matter what? Pot? Stealing? How 'bout if your crowd had wanted to take money from an injured old lady you found lying on the sidewalk? Can't be the outcast, now! Can't be the unilateral "go it aloner". Your friends say "if you don't, your not our friend anymore". Which is more important - going the path of least resistance to "fit in", or doing what's right - even when it's an unpopular decision and causes you to lose friends? Friends who maybe aren't worth having as friends anyway.
Well - I'll tell you - I didn't drink or smoke pot or any of that stuff in high school, and I didn't fit in. It was lonely at times, but I left high school with my dignity intact - I wasn't acting like someone I'm not. Maybe you don't think those things are bad, maybe you did them, and I don't care, They weren't right for me and I stayed true to my beliefs. I was "uncool" but didn't have a bit of trouble looking in the mirror.
Bush is man enough to do what he thinks needs done for the country's safety, and does it knowing full well that he'll take a lot of heat for it.
Clinton was a spineless waffler, and Osama would have been dead long before 9/11 if he hadn't been. He himself admits that his biggest regret of his presidency was that he knew on one occasion where Osama was, and could have sent a cruise missle in, but Osama's wife was there and Clinton didn't have the stomach (my choice of words) to do what needed done. How many wives were in the World Trade Center? I went there last weekend and saw the devastation for myself. I say that any America haters who would likely THINK about anything comparable should be dealt with swiftly, harshly, and if necessary - unilaterally - before they have the chance. We won't be popular, but we'll be safe.
To: SJackson
The greater the interference or pressures from the West on these countries whether peacefully by encouraging reform and democracy or militarily by invading them or economically by imposing sanctions and isolation the more people turn to fundamentalismIntervention as well as isolation are both opposed in this piece. So it would seem the writer has painted himself into a corner: if we assist them they hate us and if we leave them alone they hate us. All the while, they are regressing backward in time and becoming---save for oil---nothing but a bunch of bloodthirsty thugs with no redeeming qualities. In the short run, if the Arabs don't get their act together, we will suffer their wrath and they ours. In the long run they will become extinct.
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:05:14 PM PST
by
Rudder
To: 2banana
"Let's try all out war first. You know, carpet bombing, invasions, taking of the natural resources (oil fields), flattening cites, killing anyone or anything that stands in the way. It worked for Germany and Japan..." Sign me up!
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:10:02 PM PST
by
blam
To: SJackson
These Islamic fanatics really believe they are in a war they can win.
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:11:12 PM PST
by
teletech
(Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT!)
To: SJackson
Not only did it traumatize families with the loss of lives of loved ones, it also devastated many others psychologically, their feelings of anger and hostility exacerbated by depression and humiliation. Oh, PLEASE! I am sick to death of hearing how 'humiliated' Middle Easterners feel and why I should be concerned that they should feel good about their figurative 'manhoods.' If you want to be treated like adults, act like adults.
Face up to your backward societies. Face the fact that most of your governments are corrupt, inept, or both. Face the fact that your tribalist traditions keep you from worthwhile accomplishments. Face the fact that hatred of the West is just a way for your leaders to keep the populace looking at someone else rather than themselves, the real source of all their problems.
All you're overlooking is that it's the West that has given you the technology and oil money that should have allowed you to develop advancing societies, but you remain, socially, a thousand years out-of-date, ruled by tin-pot dictators who collude like bazaar-merchants to keep themselves in power.
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:11:36 PM PST
by
atomicpossum
(I wish I had time for a nervous breakdown.)
To: SJackson
Islam is at war with itself; it has been from its beginnings. As a religion it is very young. It has not gone through enough "growing pains" in order to reform itself, like another major religion did. The reformation saved Christianity (no, I don't want to debate this point) and allowed it to move forward in peace and harmony with not only non-Christians, but with those of other faiths as well. Islam desperately needs a reformation of its own; if it cannot do so, then the next 50 years are going to be the worst, most troubling and disastrous in its history. I won't hazard a guess as to how many of its adherents will be taking a shortcut to Allah; but the choice is clearly with Muslims themselves and the message is simple: get your crap together, or suffer the consequences. Only a John Kerry presidency could postpone the inevitable.
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:19:02 PM PST
by
45Auto
(Big holes are (almost) always better.)
To: atomicpossum
They are historical "martyr types" by nature. Uck them
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:23:27 PM PST
by
Iberian
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