[StarCMC]

The Victorians turned it into an identity, but same-sex sex has been going on since time immemorial and was considered entirely natural in ancient Greece and Rome.

Yes, and where are those cultures now? Can anyone say "decline?"

[ClearCase_guy]

"Many cultures"? And they all seem to be Amerindians. Which is to say, stone age peoples.

Yeah, we should be like that.

[lady lawyer]

This guy is deliberately misreading Richard Wilkins. Even polygamous marriages are about the sexual union of man and woman.

[Angelus Errare]

The Greco-Roman culture viewed same-sex relations much the same way that we today do heavy drinking - something to laugh at from abroad, but hardly something to actively promote. It never once occurred to them to marry a man to a man or a woman to a woman because it was understood that marriage was an institution designed for heterosexuals.

I also very much doubt that many ancient cultures that tolerated homosexuality had anything resembling that the rather peculiar subculture that has grown up in the last 100 years or so that we today refer to as "gay." Even in Greco-Roman times it was understood that those who engaged in such relations would eventually go on into heterosexual relationship and marriages.

[billorites]

We're mainstream!
Really!

[Michael.SF.]

American Indian languages had a variety of terms -- winkte (Lakota)

Winkte?

I don't think one needs to be a Lakota Sioux to understand that that term sounds pretty gay.

[whereasandsoforth]

You mean after all this time we now know it wasn't the white man's fault! The Indians screwed themselves?

[Theo]

First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill didn't actually say "the only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash," but he may have wished he had. What is that doing in the middle of this poorly-written piece? Bizarre. This author wrote this late at night after 3 glasses of merlot.

[Redcoat LI]

"Historian Will Bagley is happily 'married'."

To what?

[justshutupandtakeit]

It is false that the ancient Greeks considered homos "normal." Man/boy relationships were certainly more complex than today but when a man refused marriage and children and became the passive partner in homo relations, they were scourned, ridiculed or worse. That role was acceptable for a boy but not a man.

Read what Plato said about such relations in "The Laws" it ain't pleasant. Much of the homo relations refered to in Greece were not of the carnal nature hence the term "platonic." In addition, any sexual relations were not of the type favored by modern queers.

[demnomo]

...Historian Will Bagley is happily married.

To whom? Or should I say to what? A man? A goat? A (gasp) woman?

As a happily married woman whose husband happens to be a MAN, I think the idea of polygamy stinks. It seemed to cause a lot more problems in the Old Testament and is still causing more than a few in this day and age. If homosexuals are allowed to marry, polygamists wanting their right to the pursuit of happiness can't be far behind. What's to stop this from happening? Ugh.

I'm sure a few FReeper guys think this might be a great idea. Think again, guys. Each of your wives will have their very own charge accounts and will play a game of musical PMS every month. :)

[Kaslin]

Gay unions accepted as routine in cultures for centuries

Yeah suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

< /sarcasm >

[EdReform]

Ping

What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda

Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)

The Stamp of Normality

[OpusatFR]

" Many scholars now prefer the term "two-spirit." American Indian languages had a variety of terms -- winkte (Lakota), nadleeh (Navajo), hemanah (Cheyenne), kwid-(Tewa), tainna wa'ippe (Shoshone), dubuds (Paiute) and lhamana (Zuni) to identify "a person who has both male and female spirits within," notes Lakota scholar Beatrice Medicine."

That's nice. Not our culture.

[MEGoody]

Bestiality has been going on since the beginning.

Pedophilia has been going on since the beginning.

Rape has been going on since the beginning.

Murder has been going on since the beginning.

Just because people have chosen to be perverted and hateful since the beginning doesn't mean we should legalize it.

[azcap]

Wow, the SLC Tribune got to kill three birds with one stone, - Attack Christian values, promote gay marriage, and bash Mormons. The editor must have given this writer an efficiency award. If only he could have worked some radical environmentalism or Bush-bashing into the article...

[LiteKeeper]

INTREP - SOCIOLOGY - MARRIAGE - POLYGAMY vs SODOMY

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping - Bring Your Own Barf Bag.

A homo-promoter re-writes history. It says he is happily married, I wonder to what??

Let me know if you want on or off this ping list.

[jimt]

Historian Will Bagley is a liar, if he titled this article.

He cites an anecdote of ONE, count 'em ONE Indian tribe who supposedly had men marrying men. That's a far cry from "Gay unions accepted as routine in cultures for centuries."

Scumbag with a cause to push.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

The News argued that polygamous marriage "prevails all over the world, and those who pretend to the contrary are very simple or very untruthful."

"And this is the same as same-sex marriages", the News continued. /sarcasm