[TERMINATTOR]

A proposed gun control amendment by the NRA to ban armor piercing ammunition, and "boil the frog".

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin; Historical Review of Pennsylvania

Molon Labe!

[Shooter 2.5]

To quote a gun website:
"Shamaya is so far out in left field on this one he is in the stadium parking lot."

Maybe he should have received a copy of the exact text before shooting his mouth off.

[Blood of Tyrants]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1086587/posts?page=26#26

Read and compare the current law and the proposed changes. There is NO provision in Craig's amendment that redefines AP ammunition. He is proposing legislation to STUDY the feasibility of coming up with a AP standard.

Angel Shamaya has gone off half cocked with little information on this one.

[Paleo Conservative]

BREAKING NEWS!

Smith & Wesson chief quits over crime

CNN/Money ^ | 2/27/04 | CNN/Money
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - James Joseph Minder, chairman of handgun maker Smith & Wesson Holding Corp., resigned after a published report revealed he'd spent as much as 15 years in prison decades ago for armed robberies and a bank heist.

The Republican, a daily newspaper in Springfield, Mass., reported Thursday that Minder confirmed his resignation without realizing that the company had not made an official announcement.

Smith & Wesson, the nation's second-largest gun manufacturer, told CNN/Money that it plans to release a statement later Friday but did not wish to comment on the newspaper report or confirm Minder's resignation at this time.

Minder was named chairman of Smith & Wesson (SWB: up $0.06 to $1.60, Research, Estimates) just last month amid a board shake-up.

His convictions were unknown to Smith & Wesson until the Arizona Republic newspaper chronicled Minder's criminal past earlier this month.

Minder, now in his 70s, had spent time in prison in the 1950s and 1960s for a string of armed robberies and an attempted prison escape, the Arizona Republic reported. During that time, the Detroit News said he was known for carrying a 16-gauge, sawed-off shotgun.

[kt56]

For what it's worth, I got this NRA-ILA update today

Recent internet alerts from some "pro-Second Amendment" groups have suggested that the National Rifle Association has either accepted a compromise that would include reenactment of the 1994 Clinton Gun ban and/or the McCain-Reed gun show restrictions, or will not actively fight against their passage in the Senate. Not only are these claims completely false and ridiculous but they are also extremely counterproductive to our legislative strategy and agenda. Gun control groups are spreading the same rumors in hopes of confusing pro-gun senators as to our position in hopes of gaining their support.

The National Rifle Association led the fight in opposition to this ill-conceived ban in 1994, led the efforts to repeal the ban two years later, and is leading the fight to ensure the Clinton gun ban expires on time on September 13. From public speeches, articles in NRA publications, communications to lawmakers and the development of a website (www.ClintonGunBan.com), the National Rifle Association has been vocal and unambiguous about our position on this issue.

It is our hope that supposed "friends of the Second Amendment" will cease to provide ammunition to the enemy by disseminating this false information. Unfortunately, some of these groups seem intent on finding or creating any excuse to defeat S. 1805, perhaps because its passage has been a priority of the NRA for four years. The anti-gunners are seeking to undermine the Second Amendment and the legislative process by seeking to bankrupt firearms and ammunition manufacturers or get gun control restrictions through the courts through dozens of pending municipal lawsuits -- blaming the gun industry for the acts of criminals -- initiated by anti-gun big city mayors and greedy trial lawyers. A single judgment by a rogue judge or jury could wipe out the entire firearms industry making our gun rights worthless. Passage of S. 1805 is critical -- but not worth allowing legislation going to the President including either an extension of the Clinton gun ban or restrictions at gun shows. There will be no compromise. The only choice is a "clean" bill or no bill.

The legislative process in Congress is complex and far from perfect. Fortunately, Congress is a bicameral (two house) legislative body and both the House and Senate must agree on the same bill before enactment. While we are uncertain of the outcome of several pending anti-gun amendments in the Senate, the House is strongly pro-gun and it (or a conference committee) will not accept any anti-gun Senate-passed amendment as part of the final product to be sent to the President.

Pro-gun grassroots activists who want to advance our cause should not be distracted by misinformation and disinformation by our "friends." Instead, gun owners and sportsmen must keep our focus on the real action and contact -- by calls, e-mails, and faxes -- their two U.S. Senators urging them to vote for S. 1805 and against any and all anti-gun "poison pill" killer amendments including, but not limited to, the Clinton gun ban and gun shows. Use the "Write Your Representatives" (www.capwiz.com/nra/home) tool at www.NRAILA.org to contact your Senators and call them at 202-224-3121. We appreciate your active support in our cause to defend the Second Amendment and freedom itself.

National Rifle Association

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Bump for later and a Ping

[PhilipFreneau]

.223 Nato is armor-piercing, though it is currently not classified as such. There are currently in private hands millions of rounds of WWII (and later) AP rounds in 30-06 caliber (AP has a black tip).

[oldfart]

Ok, everybody got their tinfoil hats on?

We've all noticed that there really isn't much difference between the Republicrats and the Democans. Is it possible that there's some... higher?... power that's directing all this? Maybe those who worry about the NWO and the Bilderbergers and Tri-Lateral Commission are really onto something. Maybe bush is supposed to lose the next election, leaving all this gun control stuff hanging around for his successor to play with.

What would Kerry do with some sort of ammo ban? How about an Assault Weapons Ban or a smart gun law?

I don't know. I might be FOS, but I don't trust any politician, regardless of his party affiliation. If Craig submits an amendment to his own bill there has to be something in it for him. If nothing else, a bill to "study" armor piercing ammo has to define the subject of the study. Once AP ammo is defined it will never be un-defined-- see 'assault weapon' for an example of this. We'll be feeling the effects of this "study" for years.

Now, while you've still got those tinfoil beanies on, start thinking about how to stock up on surplus ammo. It might pay to stockpile a few cases of stuff you don't shoot... yet. In other words, BLOAT!

[Myrddin]

How many people have boxes of SS109 green tip in the ammo box? It's inexpensive surplus from places like "cheaper than dirt". If they attempt to outlaw possession of AP ammo, the law will be EX POST FACTO. Thousands of people legally possess AP ammo today. It is unconstitutional to legislatively make felons out of them.

Craig is one my senators. I already wrote him on the subject. In plain words, I told him that if his legislation passes with all these anti-gun amendments, he should polish his resume. Idaho needs a conservative Republican Senator who won't compromise on 2nd amendment issues.

[sport]

Just about any ammunition can be classified "armor piercing". It depends on what one calls "armor".

[Delphinium]

We don't want to wipe out the hunting and sporting ammunition," said Craig

Larry Craig must think we are stupid. Hunting is not the reason for the second amendment.

He is my Senator, and I am bewildered, embarrassed and ashamed, but most of all I am outraged.

[narses]

Has anyone heard the rumors about the good senator's problems relating to SSAD? Can you add anything to help explain this sellout?

[TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig]

As someone trying to become a LEO, I'm not worried about AP rounds. I'm more worried about three guys jumping me, or someone I locked up before recognizing me and my family out on the town and trying something stupid, or my agency hierarchy selling me out for politically expedient reasons.

[School of Rational Thought]

This is dated February, 2004. What is current disposition?