[TERMINATTOR]

A proposed gun control amendment by the NRA to ban armor piercing ammunition, and "boil the frog".

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin; Historical Review of Pennsylvania

Molon Labe!

[Mr. Mojo]

We don't want to wipe out the hunting and sporting ammunition," said Craig (R-ID) -- an NRA Director

I believe he stole that line from Chuckie Schumer.

[Mr. Mojo]

Bang!

[agitator]

"We're from the NRA and we're here to help you."

Hmmmmmm where have I heard that before...

[Travis McGee]

BANG!

[GeronL]

The NRA and the Republicans have sold us out. Just like always. Yet we will support them as they continue to sell us out.

we ARE the frog being boiled.

[Richard-SIA]

What the **** are they snorting up there?

We cannot even count on our best friends at this time, unless we direct a plasma cutter's worth of heat toward their feet!

Disgusting!

We must set a new record for bringing pressure to bear on the senate, in support of a CLEAN bill, with NO amendments!

[ahadams2]

*sigh* as usual at that particular website, they are unable to distinguish between the fact that someone can be an NRA member and *also* be a politician. I would submit that this article more thoroughly demonstrates said website's paranoia about the NRA generally than it does anything else... I have no idea why Sen. Craig introduced his particular ammendment but if one is going to pretend coincidence equals causality then it is equally likely that Sen. Craig's home state is to blame...of course it's equally likely neither one of them is to blame, but then there wouldn't be any reason for the NRA bashers to get all upset now, would there?

[Paleo Conservative]

Nobody needs armor piercing rounds for hunting. On the other hand, the second amendment is not about the rights of hunters and target shooters.

[claudiustg]

Republican traitors. They should check and see how many people vote for them primarily because they don't want Democrat style gun control before they go off half-cocked. The upcoming election is going to be about turnout.

[philetus]

Sen. Kennedy then introduced an amendment to ban the manufacture and sale of "armor-piercing" ammunition. Kennedy, who actually condemned the .30-30 Winchester cartridge during debate, wants to institute a "performance-based" standard that would grant any future Attorney General sweeping authority to ban any center-fire ammunition, including most common-place rifle hunting ammunition. The standard proposed by Sen. Kennedy was rejected in the 1980s as overly broad and unnecessary to meet any threat posed to law enforcement officers` safety. A vote on this NRA-opposed amendment will take place Tuesday.

[Imal]

If this article is correct, then why is Larry Craig an NRA director?

[ApesForEvolution]

Screw the NRA and screw the GOP. One party promises to screw us fast and the other slow. They are both rapists.

They're both about as worthless as t*ts on a boar hog...

[need_a_screen_name]

When will people learn that Angel Shamaya is nothing much more than a rumor-mongering, anti-NRA activist?? Shamaya is so far out in left field on this one he is in the stadium parking lot.

The Craig amendment authorizes a two year study of so-called armor piercing ammuntion. It is NOT a ban on anything. This looks like an alternative to the Mikulski/Kennedy bans.

It just requires a study and the enhanced penalties for AP ammo possession or use in violent crime. It doesn't say anything about additional legislation after the study - just that there should be a study.

Quit jumping the gun until you have all the facts!!

[SevenDaysInMay]

Kenetics bump.

[B4Ranch]

NRA Director Sen. Larry Craig's Ammunition Ban Amendment

I need you to tell me again why the NRA is OUR savior.

Earlier today you wrote, " Oh, Bullsh!t. The NRA is blocking those amendments."

You have been in this pro NRA mode since I can recall, now I'm asking you to take off your blinders and realize that when an amendment restricting the 2nd Amendment comes from an NRA Director that you do not have the FULL picture of what has been happening!

These people are becoming afraid that a patriot will start shooting at them in their bullet proofed limousines. That can be the ONLY reason for their fear of civilians having armor piercing ammunition!

"Let's send a message that armor piercing ammunition is flat off limits," said Sen. Craig.

Sir, I am asking you to sit down and start thinking about how YOU have been taken to the cleaners by their smooth talk. You are the one who swallowed it "hook, line and sinker"

Wayne LaPierre isn't afraid for his life, it is the elected governmental officials attempting to defeat the 2nd, who have reason to fear young angry, rash thinking civilian patriots. NRA Director Sen. Larry Craig is the NRA Director who is pushing this amendment, not the NRA membership!

I'm simply asking you to take the time to do a serious reconsideration of your views.

[joesnuffy]

Rimfire ammo can penetrate kevlar vests....without ceramic plates

This is incremental gun grabbing....take your rights away one little piece at a time...often enough and you will have finally taken them all...

Which is the anti gun rights advocates stated goal...

[Condor51]

A couple things;

First of all this 'amendment' would be unconstitutional if one followed the SCOTUS decision back in the 1930's which pertained to that guy who had the sawed-off shotgun.

Basically SCOTUS ruled that since a sawed-off shotgun was not a military type weapon and unfit for 'militia' use as referenced in the 2nd Amendment, they could be ruled illegal to possess. In effect SCOTUS ruled (hinted) only Military Type Weapons were legal and covered by 2nd Amendment protection.

Now I personally think that's an asinine ruling - But it is legal precedent.

I'm sure there plenty of Freepers more familiar with this rulings details, so please correct me if I'm wrong on a point or two.

Oh, and this is one reason why I became an ATF licensed collector (C&R) of military weapons - they're constitutionally protected by that SCOTUS ruling. The gubmint may take your Remington 700 but my 8mm Mauser, 9mm Star (Bulgarian Secret Police) & 9mm Makarov (East German Stasi) are untouchable. Then there's the SKS, Enfield, Mosin-Nagant which are also covered. And when I get some extra bucks an SKS will be my next purchase.

BTW, I just did a Google search for 'armor piercing ammo' and it can be bought by the truck load. Along with tracer ammo and other good stuff. Here's a link - Happy Shopping.

AMMO

[Dan from Michigan]

This does not ban any new ammo - That's KENNEDY's amendment.

SA 2625. Mr. CRAIG (for Mr. FRIST (for himself and Mr. CRAIG)) proposed an amendment to the bill S. 1805, to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages resulting from the misuse of their products by others; as follows:

At the appropriate place, add the following:

SEC. 5. ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION.

(a) UNLAWFUL ACTS.--Section 922(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking paragraphs (7) and (8) and inserting the following:

``(7) for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing ammunition, unless--

``(A) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;

``(B) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the purpose of exportation; or

``(C) the manufacture or importation of such ammunition is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General.

``(8) for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing ammunition, unless such sale or delivery--

``(A) is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;

``(B) is for the purpose of exportation; or

``(C) is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General.''.

(b) PENALTIES.--Section 924(c) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

``(5) Except to the extent that a greater minimum sentence is otherwise provided under this subsection, or by any other provision of law, any person who, during and in relation to any crime of violence or drug trafficking crime (including a crime of violence or drug trafficking crime that provides for an enhanced punishment if committed by the use of a deadly or dangerous weapon or device) for which the person may be prosecuted in a court of the United States, uses or carries armor piercing ammunition, or who, in furtherance of any such crime, possesses armor piercing ammunition, shall, in addition to the punishment provided for such crime of violence or drug trafficking crime or conviction under this section--

``(A) be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 15 years;

``(B) if death results from the use of such ammunition--

``(i) if the killing is murder (as defined in section 1111), be punished by death or sentenced to a term of imprisonment for any term of years or for life; and

``(ii) if the killing is manslaughter (as defined in section 1112), be punished as provided in section 1112.''.

(c) STUDY AND REPORT.--

(1) STUDY.--The Attorney General shall conduct a study to determine whether a uniform standard for the uniform testing of projectiles against Body Armor is feasible.

(2) ISSUES TO BE STUDIED.--The study conducted under paragraph (1) shall include--

(A) variations in performance that are related to the length of the barrel of the handgun or centerfire rifle from which the projectile is fired; and

(B) the amount of powder used to propel the projectile.

(3) REPORT.--Not later than 2 years after the date of enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall submit a report containing the results of the study conducted under this subsection to--

(A) the chairman and ranking member of the Judiciary Committee of the Senate; and

(B) the chairman and ranking member of the Judiciary Committee of the House of Representatives.

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This is just some BS study wasting my tax money. It's bad, but not as bad as KABA says.

[JamesA]

"MOLON LABE" nuff said;

[MagnusMaximus1]

Molon Labe!

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