[Paleo Conservative]

Nobody needs armor piercing rounds for hunting. On the other hand, the second amendment is not about the rights of hunters and target shooters.

[tpaine]

Nobody needs armor piercing rounds for hunting.
Paleo Conservative


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Two bits the real purpose is to ban all sales of surplus military ammo..

[Travis McGee]

You miss the point, or the physics. Almost every centerfire rifle bullet used for hunting or target shooting is inherently "armor piercing" in terms of penetrating a standard LE kevlar vest. Always was.

Depending on how this is written now, and more importantly, how it is INTERPRETED BY ACTIVIST JUDGES later, almost all centerfire rifle ammo could be banned.

[Lion Den Dan]

Nobody needs armor piercing rounds for hunting.

It depends upon what you are hunting.

[TigersEye]

Nobody needs armor piercing rounds for hunting.

Please read my post #49.

[Oberon]

Nobody needs armor piercing rounds for hunting.

The issue isn't the stated objective of the legislation, but the unstated objective. They pulled something like this years ago about steel-core bullets...and literally metric tons of cheap milsurp 7.62x39 blasting ammo immediately disappeared off the market.

[Ancesthntr]

Paleo said: "Nobody needs armor piercing rounds for hunting."

Rights are not about "need." Do you "need" to read a book, go to Church or Synogogue, etc.? And who, exactly, defines "need?" The entire Bill of Rights - including the Second Amendment - is about basic rights (rights which PRE-DATE the Constitution and which are immutable) that the government may specifically NOT legislate against or infringe. When you speak of "need," you are using the language of those who would turn rights into privileges (for a fee, naturally, and revocable at the stroke of a pen when they become "inconvenient" for the grantor), and thereby giving them a substantial edge in any debate.

As for hunting, I am sick to death of that term when it is used in the context of the debate over the RKBA. Hunting has nothing whatsoever to do with the Constitution, which is solely concerned with the structure of our government, limitations upon its power and its relationship to the People. EFF hunting - the 2nd Amendment is about POWER, pure and simple. The Founding Fathers wanted the People to have the power, and to tell the government how to exercise it - OR ELSE. Check out The Federalist Papers, #46, by James Madison if you don't believe that. The use of the "hunting" argument in a 2nd Amendment debate only allows those that wish to limit or eliminate our RKBA (pursuant to the "sporting use" standard of the '68 Gun Control Act) set the terms of the debate. Oh, BTW, the concept of limiting firearms rights via the "sporting use" standard didn't originate here. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership has proven - beyond all reasonable doubt - that Senator Thomas Dodd (father of today's rabidly anti-gun, frothing-at-the-mouth Sen. Chris Dodd) had the 1938 Nazi Weapons Law translated, and he inserted that language, nearly word-for-word, into the '68 GCA. See http://www.jpfo.org/gateway.htm for the book that details these facts.

ChicagoHebrew said: "I don't want to sound like Rosie O'Donnell...but you don't need an armor piercing bullet to defend your home, go hunting, or form the citizen's militia that defends against government oppression. About the only thing you need armor piercing ammunition for is killing cops."

I think that the several tens of millions of people who were murdered by governments during the 20th century could have found a good use for AP ammo - had they been allowed to own either guns or ammo. This includes 6 million of our co-religionists. Oh, and the murderous regimes that committed 9 large genocides during the Century of Government had no restrictions on what they could use to commit the worst atrocities the world has ever seen. Look at this site to see the link between gun control and genocide: http://www.jpfo.org/genocide.htm

Those who are "lukewarm" supporters of the RKBA need to understand - at the core of their being - what George Washington understood: "Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force, like fire; a dangerous servant and a terrible master." Washington had reason to know, having fought for a government (England in the French & Indian Wars), against a government (the Revolution), and having helped to form and run a government (the Constitutional Convention and his Presidency). Learn from history and the people who have tried to pass to us their knowledge and experience, which was often gained the hard way.

MOLON LABE!!!!

[Sofa King]

"On the other hand, the second amendment is not about the rights of hunters and target shooters."

Damn straight. All of this stuff about hunting is just a smokescreen. the 2nd amendment is about arming ourselves against the government.

[tpaine]

Nobody needs armor piercing rounds for hunting.

On the other hand, the second amendment is not about the rights of hunters and target shooters.
Paleo Conservative


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Two bits the real purpose is to ban all sales of surplus military ammo..

#12 -revised-


Happy now?

[archy]

Nobody needs armor piercing rounds for hunting.

Just so. Any cop caught with any such ammunition must be considered an assassin intent on murdering citizens, and probably should be executed on the spot.

[B4Ranch]

Needs repeating!

Nobody needs armor piercing rounds for hunting. On the other hand, the second amendment is not about the rights of hunters and target shooters.