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To: TERMINATTOR

This does not ban any new ammo - That's KENNEDY's amendment.

SA 2625. Mr. CRAIG (for Mr. FRIST (for himself and Mr. CRAIG)) proposed an amendment to the bill S. 1805, to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages resulting from the misuse of their products by others; as follows:

At the appropriate place, add the following:

SEC. 5. ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION.

(a) UNLAWFUL ACTS.--Section 922(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking paragraphs (7) and (8) and inserting the following:

``(7) for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing ammunition, unless--

``(A) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;

``(B) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the purpose of exportation; or

``(C) the manufacture or importation of such ammunition is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General.

``(8) for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing ammunition, unless such sale or delivery--

``(A) is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;

``(B) is for the purpose of exportation; or

``(C) is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General.''.

(b) PENALTIES.--Section 924(c) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

``(5) Except to the extent that a greater minimum sentence is otherwise provided under this subsection, or by any other provision of law, any person who, during and in relation to any crime of violence or drug trafficking crime (including a crime of violence or drug trafficking crime that provides for an enhanced punishment if committed by the use of a deadly or dangerous weapon or device) for which the person may be prosecuted in a court of the United States, uses or carries armor piercing ammunition, or who, in furtherance of any such crime, possesses armor piercing ammunition, shall, in addition to the punishment provided for such crime of violence or drug trafficking crime or conviction under this section--

``(A) be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 15 years;

``(B) if death results from the use of such ammunition--

``(i) if the killing is murder (as defined in section 1111), be punished by death or sentenced to a term of imprisonment for any term of years or for life; and

``(ii) if the killing is manslaughter (as defined in section 1112), be punished as provided in section 1112.''.

(c) STUDY AND REPORT.--

(1) STUDY.--The Attorney General shall conduct a study to determine whether a uniform standard for the uniform testing of projectiles against Body Armor is feasible.

(2) ISSUES TO BE STUDIED.--The study conducted under paragraph (1) shall include--

(A) variations in performance that are related to the length of the barrel of the handgun or centerfire rifle from which the projectile is fired; and

(B) the amount of powder used to propel the projectile.

(3) REPORT.--Not later than 2 years after the date of enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall submit a report containing the results of the study conducted under this subsection to--

(A) the chairman and ranking member of the Judiciary Committee of the Senate; and

(B) the chairman and ranking member of the Judiciary Committee of the House of Representatives.

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This is just some BS study wasting my tax money. It's bad, but not as bad as KABA says.

71 posted on 02/27/2004 6:46:35 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: Dan from Michigan
A) variations in performance that are related to the length of the barrel of the handgun or centerfire rifle from which the projectile is fired; and

Sets up a performance standard where the previous ban was on specific design. Not good considering the penetration power of most hunting ammo. And yes, it seems a small thing, but it will be all they need. Bank on it.

74 posted on 02/27/2004 6:52:21 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dan from Michigan
This does not ban any new ammo - That's KENNEDY's amendment.

Does is it matter who's name is on it?

This is just some BS study wasting my tax money. It's bad, but not as bad as KABA says.

(1) STUDY.--The Attorney General shall conduct a study to determine whether a uniform standard for the uniform testing of projectiles against Body Armor is feasible.

How bad does it have to get for you, Dan? Will the ink have to be dry on a new law that bans it all? How close should we let them get before we say 'enough'?

90 posted on 02/27/2004 7:26:21 AM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
") for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing ammunition, unless such sale or delivery--

``(A) is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State; "

"This is just some BS study wasting my tax money. It's bad, but not as bad as KABA says."

And it takes YOUR right to use it away from YOU.

97 posted on 02/27/2004 7:53:21 AM PST by B4Ranch (Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent.--Eleanor Roosevelt)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Your not so bad bill just made me a felon because I have some steel cored Russian surplus for my CZ52.

Armor piercing is a military term for ammo that penatrates light armored VEHICALS. Any test or measurement that matches ammo to the threat level three and three plus vests used by LEO's is a crock. The level three vests are designed to stop only non-magnum pistol rounds out of pistol length barrels.

Even the military threat level four and four plus vests will not stop high power rifle rounds and they have ceramic plates in them.

The study can find nothing but that ALL rifle ammo will go through a protective vest. They are just making Kenendy's next try at a ban justified.
138 posted on 02/27/2004 12:26:14 PM PST by El Laton Caliente
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To: Dan from Michigan
This is just some BS study wasting my tax money. It's bad, but not as bad as KABA says.

I'm not so sure of that. Consider:

(1) STUDY.--The Attorney General shall conduct a study to determine whether a uniform standard for the uniform testing of projectiles against Body Armor is feasible.

(2) ISSUES TO BE STUDIED.--The study conducted under paragraph (1) shall include--

(A) variations in performance that are related to the length of the barrel of the handgun or centerfire rifle from which the projectile is fired; and

(B) the amount of powder used to propel the projectile.

This paves the way for "outcome based research". They decide what outcome they desire, and then calibrate their methodology to deliver that outcome. Since they've pretty much telegraphed their intentions (the prohibition of any ammunition that can penetrate a ballistic vest), the likely outcome will be the prohibition of all centerfire rifle ammunition. They will probably ban shotgun slugs too, because even though they may not penetrate a vest, they'll most likely kill anyway via blunt force trauma. Note that the section describing the "study" does not use any form of the word "penetrate" or "pierce".

150 posted on 02/27/2004 1:58:02 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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