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CDC Vaccine Data Leads Scientists to Shocking Discovery, Possible Vaccine/Mercury/Autism Link
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Posted on 02/25/2004 11:31:26 AM PST by Coleus

CDC Vaccine Data Leads Scientists to Shocking Discovery
Monday February 9, 9:20 am ET

CHILDREN 27-TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AUTISM WITH EXPOSURE TO MERCURY- CONTAINING VACCINES, FINDINGS REVIEWED AT TODAY'S IOM MEETING IN DC

WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Today, the Institute of Medicine will hold a one-day meeting to review important new research on the link between thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative in vaccines, and neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism. One of the larger studies under review comes from the CDC's own Vaccine Safety Datalink. Under independent investigation, CDC's data concludes children are 27-times more likely to develop autism after exposure to three thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs), than those who receive thimerosal-free versions.

The findings are not only disturbing to government officials like U.S. Rep. Dave Weldon, M.D. (R-FL), who is also scheduled to speak before the IOM panel, they suggest autism via TCVs has a higher relative risk than that between lung cancer and smoking, which according to the American Cancer Society is only 22 for men and 11 for women. "This absolutely confirms what parents have been saying for years," says Jo Pike, President, National Autism Association. Like Pike, thousands of parents have reported sharp regressions in their children following a TCV and many of those children have gone on to receive a label of autism. An easy mistake to make since the symptoms of autism and mercury poisoning are almost identical.

Dr. Mark Geier is the lead investigator in the discovery. A medical doctor with a Ph.D. in genetics, he, along with fellow researcher, David Geier, will discuss their findings of the CDC data in front of an IOM panel. Among a host of other physicians and researchers presenting will be Dr. Jeff Bradstreet. He will discuss the results from his peer-reviewed study which concluded that urinary mercury concentrations were six times higher in children with autism vs. normal-age/vaccine-matched controls.

The presentations will begin at 8:00 AM at The National Academy of Sciences, Auditorium 2100 C Street NW. Dr. Mark Geier and David Geier are scheduled to present their findings at 12:15 PM. Weldon speaks at 8:00. Bradstreet at 4:00. For an agenda, go to: http://www.iom.edu/event.asp?id=17047. For information about the National Autism Association, go to www.nationalautism.org.



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To: Eva
Mercury Poisoning - Autism (top Mercury symptom, bottom Autism ---I don't know how to post a table)

Like this....

Table A:

Summary Comparison of Characteristics

of Autism & Mercury Poisoning

 

Mercury Poisoning

Autism

Psychiatric Social deficits, shyness, social withdrawal Social deficits, social withdrawal, shyness
Disturbances Depression, mood swings; mask face Depressive traits, mood swings; flat affect
  Anxiety Anxiety
  Schizoid tendencies, OCD traits Schizophrenic & OCD traits; repetitiveness
  Lacks eye contact, hesitant to engage others Lack of eye contact, avoids conversation
  Irrational fears Irrational fears
  Irritability, aggression, temper tantrums Irritability, aggression, temper tantrums
  Impaired face recognition Impaired face recognition
Speech, Loss of speech, failure to develop speech Delayed language, failure to develop speech
Language & Dysarthria; articulation problems Dysarthria; articulation problems
Hearing Speech comprehension deficits Speech comprehension deficits
Deficits Verbalizing & word retrieval problems Echolalia; word use & pragmatic errors
  Sound sensitivity Sound sensitivity
  Hearing loss; deafness in very high doses Mild to profound hearing loss
  Poor performance on language IQ tests Poor performance on verbal IQ tests
Sensory Abnormal sensation in mouth & extremities Abnormal sensation in mouth & extremities
Abnormalities Sound sensitivity Sound sensitivity
  Abnormal touch sensations; touch aversion Abnormal touch sensations; touch aversion
  Vestibular abnormalities Vestibular abnormalities
Motor Disorders Involuntary jerking movements – arm flapping, ankle jerks, myoclonal jerks, choreiform movements, circling, rocking Stereotyped movements - arm flapping, jumping, circling, spinning, rocking; myoclonal jerks; choreiform movements
  Deficits in eye-hand coordination; limb apraxia; intention tremors Poor eye-hand coordination; limb apraxia; problems with intentional movements
  Gait impairment; ataxia – from incoordination & clumsiness to inability to walk, stand, or sit; loss of motor control Abnormal gait and posture, clumsiness and incoordination; difficulties sitting, lying, crawling, and walking
  Difficulty in chewing or swallowing Difficulty chewing or swallowing
  Unusual postures; toe walking Unusual postures; toe walking
Cognitive Impairments Borderline intelligence, mental retardation - some cases reversible Borderline intelligence, mental retardation - sometimes "recovered"
  Poor concentration, attention, response inhibition Poor concentration, attention, shifting attention
  Uneven performance on IQ subtests Uneven performance on IQ subtests
  Verbal IQ higher than performance IQ Verbal IQ higher than performance IQ
  Poor short term, verbal, & auditory memory Poor short term, auditory & verbal memory
  Poor visual and perceptual motor skills, impairment in simple reaction time Poor visual and perceptual motor skills, lower performance on timed tests
  Difficulty carrying out complex commands Difficulty carrying out multiple commands
  Word-comprehension difficulties Word-comprehension difficulties
  Deficits in understanding abstract ideas & symbolism; degeneration of higher mental powers Deficits in abstract thinking & symbolism, understanding other’s mental states, sequencing, planning & organizing

(iv)

 

Unusual

Stereotyped sniffing (rats) Stereotyped, repetitive behaviors
Behaviors ADHD traits ADHD traits
  Agitation, unprovoked crying, grimacing, staring spells Agitation, unprovoked crying, grimacing, staring spells
  Sleep difficulties Sleep difficulties
  Eating disorders, feeding problems Eating disorders, feeding problems
  Self injurious behavior, e.g. head banging Self injurious behavior, e.g. head banging
Visual Poor eye contact, impaired visual fixation Poor eye contact, problems in joint attention
Impairments "Visual impairments," blindness, near-sightedness, decreased visual acuity "Visual impairments"; inaccurate/slow saccades; decreased rod functioning
  Light sensitivity, photophobia Over-sensitivity to light
  Blurred or hazy vision Blurred vision
  Constricted visual fields Not described
Physical Disturbances Increase in cerebral palsy; hyper- or hypo-tonia; abnormal reflexes; decreased muscle strength, especially upper body; incontinence; problems chewing, swallowing, salivating Increase in cerebral palsy; hyper- or hypotonia; decreased muscle strength, especially upper body; incontinence; problems chewing and swallowing
  Rashes, dermatitis/dry skin, itching; burning Rashes, dermatitis, eczema, itching
  Autonomic disturbance: excessive sweating, poor circulation, elevated heart rate Autonomic disturbance: unusual sweating, poor circulation, elevated heart rate
Gastro-intestinal Gastroenteritis, diarrhea; abdominal pain, constipation, "colitis" Diarrhea, constipation, gaseousness, abdominal discomfort, colitis
Disturbances Anorexia, weight loss, nausea, poor appetite Anorexia; feeding problems/vomiting
  Lesions of ileum & colon; increased gut permeability Leaky gut syndrome
  Inhibits dipeptidyl peptidase IV, which cleaves casomorphin Inadequate endopeptidase enzymes needed for breakdown of casein & gluten
Abnormal Biochemistry Binds -SH groups; blocks sulfate transporter in intestines, kidneys Low sulfate levels
  Has special affinity for purines & pyrimidines Purine & pyrimidine metabolism errors lead to autistic features
  Reduces availability of glutathione, needed in neurons, cells & liver to detoxify heavy metals Low levels of glutathione; decreased ability of liver to detoxify heavy metals
  Causes significant reduction in glutathione peroxidase and glutathione reductase Abnormal glutathione peroxidase activities in erythrocytes
  Disrupts mitochondrial activities, especially in brain Mitochondrial dysfunction, especially in brain
Immune Dysfunction Sensitivity due to allergic or autoimmune reactions; sensitive individuals more likely to have allergies, asthma, autoimmune-like symptoms, especially rheumatoid-like ones More likely to have allergies and asthma; familial presence of autoimmune diseases, especially rheumatoid arthritis; IgA deficiencies
  Can produce an immune response in CNS On-going immune response in CNS
  Causes brain/MBP autoantibodies Brain/MBP autoantibodies present
  Causes overproduction of Th2 subset; kills/inhibits lymphocytes, T-cells, and monocytes; decreases NK T-cell activity; induces or suppresses IFNg & IL-2 Skewed immune-cell subset in the Th2 direction; decreased responses to T-cell mitogens; reduced NK T-cell function; increased IFNg & IL-12

(v)

CNS Structural Pathology Selectively targets brain areas unable to detoxify or reduce Hg-induced oxidative stress Specific areas of brain pathology; many functions spared
  Damage to Purkinje and granular cells Damage to Purkinje and granular cells
  Accummulates in amygdala and hippocampus Pathology in amygdala and hippocampus
  Causes abnormal neuronal cytoarchitecture; disrupts neuronal migration & cell division; reduces NCAMs Neuronal disorganization; increased neuronal cell replication, increased glial cells; depressed expression of NCAMs
  Progressive microcephaly Progressive microcephaly and macrocephaly
  Brain stem defects in some cases Brain stem defects in some cases
     
Abnormalities in Neuro-chemistry Prevents presynaptic serotonin release & inhibits serotonin transport; causes calcium disruptions Decreased serotonin synthesis in children; abnormal calcium metabolism
  Alters dopamine systems; peroxidine deficiency in rats resembles mercurialism in humans Possibly high or low dopamine levels; positive response to peroxidine (lowers dopamine levels)
  Elevates epinephrine & norepinephrine levels by blocking enzyme that degrades epinephrine Elevated norepinephrine and epinephrine
  Elevates glutamate Elevated glutamate and aspartate
  Leads to cortical acetylcholine deficiency; increases muscarinic receptor density in hippocampus & cerebellum Cortical acetylcholine deficiency; reduced muscarinic receptor binding in hippocampus
  Causes demyelinating neuropathy Demyelination in brain
EEG Causes abnormal EEGs, epileptiform activity Abnormal EEGs, epileptiform activity
Abnormalities/ Causes seizures, convulsions Seizures; epilepsy
Epilepsy Causes subtle, low amplitude seizure activity Subtle, low amplitude seizure activities
Population Effects more males than females Male:female ratio estimated at 4:1
Charact-eristics At low doses, only affects those geneticially susceptible High heritability - concordance for MZ twins is 90%
  First added to childhood vaccines in 1930s First "discovered" among children born in 1930s
  Exposure levels steadily increased since 1930s with rate of vaccination, number of vaccines Prevalence of autism has steadily increased from 1 in 2000 (pre1970) to 1 in 500 (early 1990s), higher in 2000.
  Exposure occurs at 0 - 15 months; clinical silent stage means symptom emergence delayed; symptoms emerge gradually, starting with movement & sensation Symptoms emerge from 4 months to 2 years old; symptoms emerge gradually, starting with movement & sensation

121 posted on 02/25/2004 6:28:33 PM PST by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: Coleus
Same holds true the other way around too. So now we're back to square one.

Actually, there IS scientific evidence that refutes the link between autism and MMR vaccine/mercury.

122 posted on 02/25/2004 6:33:20 PM PST by Born Conservative (Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps.)
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To: cupcakes
It is so hard dealing with this one child with autism, I just can't fathom two. And if there is anything I can do to protect my next son, I will do it.

I can certainly sympathise with this. However, it is incredibly easy to phony up statistical cases that sound plausible but really don't prove anything. Research on these subjects is ongoing and will eventuall reveal the truth. I already know that there is a net benefit for immunizations; the unknown factor is how much the risks can be reduced.

I said some time ago that I wanted to bow out of this discussion, and now I will reveal why. My father was a state health officer for thiry years and back in the fifties was offered the directorship of CDC. He turned it down because he didn't want to move the family to Atlanta. I might add that at that time the post was not quite as well known or prestigeous as it is now.

But I grew up hearing statistics at breakfast and dinner. There was a time when I could recite the number of cases of a dozen diseases, along with their trend lines. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but I simply have no respect for folks who question the motivation of medical researchers. I've known these people all my life.

123 posted on 02/25/2004 7:53:57 PM PST by js1138
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To: Sabertooth
K :-)
124 posted on 02/25/2004 10:05:07 PM PST by WVNan
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To: oceanview
http://www.westonaprice.org

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125 posted on 02/25/2004 10:05:29 PM PST by Coleus (Help Tyler Schicke http://tylerfund.org/ Burkitt's leukemia)
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To: Born Conservative
Actually, there IS scientific evidence that refutes the link between autism and MMR vaccine/mercury.>>>

If there really is then we wouldn't have this thread or the yahoo article and that scientific conference the article announced.


126 posted on 02/25/2004 10:07:14 PM PST by Coleus (Help Tyler Schicke http://tylerfund.org/ Burkitt's leukemia)
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To: _Jim
"Granted, they do admit to 'no or trace amounts in routinely recommended licensed vaccines', but, THIS would still not explain any rising rates in autism and other effects (as others have pointed out earlier in this post)."

So by your own post you admit some mercury is still in some vaccines. ALL IS AN ABSOLUTE. TRACE AMOUNTS are an AMOUNT. by your own post Jim you refute your position:"All routinely recommended licensed vaccines that are currently being manufactured for children in the U.S. (except influenza) contain no thimerosal or only trace amounts." "Except....trace amounts". Seems like ALL does not apply to these preservatives.

The FR is getting annoying with people parsing the truth like Clinton on almost any subject.

I have not been part of the crowd that is blaming this preservative for everything from acne to liberalism. Lets face it, give something to a million people and you will have no reaction to X percentage, a positive reaction to Y percentage, a negative reaction to Z percent. In a million other people those same reactions, albeit more than likely not in the same percentage, will occur due to genes or other environmental conditions. Researchers simply try to look for a deviation from the norm.

I prefer to look at the benefit to damage ratio of most things. IE: Asbestos has saved more lives then it killed. Fortunately we have discovered better methods but at the time it was the best we had. (I'm sure that will get parsed).

127 posted on 02/26/2004 6:14:23 AM PST by Wurlitzer (I have the biggest organ in my town {;o))
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To: Coleus
If there really is then we wouldn't have this thread or the yahoo article and that scientific conference the article announced.

This "yahoo article", as you refer to it, is a PRESS RELEASE. As for the "scientific conference", what exactly is that? Just because someone has a "scientific conference", does that automatically validate as true the material being presented? I can have a "scientific conference" at my house this weekend, give it a fancy name such as The Institute for Lunar Studies and announce that the moon is really made of green cheese. That doesn't mean that it's true, but it sure makes it sound legitimate.

As for you doubting the existence of legitimate scientific research refuting the MMR/Mercury/Autism link, here is a specific study that refutes the link. Note that since removing the mercury-based preservative from the vaccine, the Autism occurance has INCREASED, not decreased.  Sign up for an account at www.medscape.com (I'm fairly sure it's still free) and search both Medscape and Medline; there's plenty of research abstracts available on the subject.

Thimerosal and the occurrence of autism: negative ecological evidence from Danish population-based data.
Pediatrics 2003 Sep;112(3 Pt 1):604-6    (ISSN: 1098-4275)
Madsen KM; Lauritsen MB; Pedersen CB; Thorsen P; Plesner AM; Andersen PH; Mortensen PB
Danish Epidemiology Science Centre, Department of Epidemiology and Social Medicine, University of Aarhus, Denmark. kmm@dadlnet.dk.
OBJECTIVE: It has been suggested that thimerosal, a mercury-containing preservative in vaccines, is a risk factor for the development of autism. We examined whether discontinuing the use of thimerosal-containing vaccines in Denmark led to a decrease in the incidence of autism. DESIGN: Analysis of data from the Danish Psychiatric Central Research Register recording all psychiatric admissions since 1971, and all outpatient contacts in psychiatric departments in Denmark since 1995. PATIENTS: All children between 2 and 10 years old who were diagnosed with autism during the period from 1971-2000. OUTCOME MEASURES: Annual and age-specific incidence for first day of first recorded admission with a diagnosis of autism in children between 2 and 10 years old. RESULTS: A total of 956 children with a male-to-female ratio of 3.5:1 had been diagnosed with autism during the period from 1971-2000. There was no trend toward an increase in the incidence of autism during that period when thimerosal was used in Denmark, up through 1990. From 1991 until 2000 the incidence increased and continued to rise after the removal of thimerosal from vaccines, including increases among children born after the discontinuation of thimerosal. CONCLUSIONS: The discontinuation of thimerosal-containing vaccines in Denmark in 1992 was followed by an increase in the incidence of autism. Our ecological data do not support a correlation between thimerosal-containing vaccines and the incidence of autism.
Major Subject Heading(s) Minor Subject Heading(s) CAS Registry / EC Numbers
  • Autistic Disorder [chemically induced] [epidemiology]
  • Thimerosal [adverse effects]
  • Child, Preschool
  • Child
  • Denmark [epidemiology]
  • Incidence
  • Preservatives, Pharmaceutical [adverse effects]
  • Registries [statistics & numerical data]
  • Risk Assessment
  • Thimerosal [chemistry]
  • Vaccines [adverse effects]
  • 0 (Preservatives, Pharmaceutical)
  • 0 (Vaccines)
  • 54-64-8 (Thimerosal)
Indexing Check Tags: Female; Human; Male; Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
Language: English
MEDLINE Indexing Date: 200310
Publication Type: Owner: NLM
Publication Type: Journal Article; Multicenter Study
PreMedline Identifier: 0012949291
Journal Code: AIM; IM
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128 posted on 02/26/2004 6:20:14 AM PST by Born Conservative (Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps.)
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To: Coleus
betterthingsforbetterlivingbump
129 posted on 02/26/2004 6:24:43 AM PST by tracer (ay)
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To: Sabertooth
"I've seen so many anti-vaccine folks on these threads and have met so many otherwise reasonable people who have bought the whole anti-vaccine propaganda onslaught that I make no assumptions. "

AMEN!!!

It is hard to have a rational discussion with people who believe it is all or nothing. Most medications, vaccines have side effects. Some are mild others are devastating. Most will not see any side effect (assuming a properly researched medication).

Depending on what ailment is being treated or possibly prevented, we all need to make that educated decision to take the risk for the possible gains. If it is all or nothing, you cannot make an educated decision

130 posted on 02/26/2004 6:24:50 AM PST by Wurlitzer (I have the biggest organ in my town {;o))
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To: Wurlitzer; Sabertooth; cupcakes; All
FWIW, here are my personal observations on the issue.

Do I understand that the MMR is a live vaccine? If so, is it true that it would not ever have had the thimerosal preservative in it?

The 2nd MMR shot gave my daughter a very bad reaction (extremely high fever and febrile seizures) but she is fine, 15 years old and doing well in school.

Our second child is an in-family adoption, the child of my late sister. We have noted developmental problems with him ever since we adopted him at age 2 - late talking, coordination, eye contact, etc. He has been under a psychiatrist's care since age 4, and while he is not full blown autistic he exhibits some of the symptoms and is probably Asperger's. But here are my three observations:

1. He is improving. Puberty has been a real benefit for him, he is more socially adept, his schoolwork has improved (he is in a special school for ADD/LD children), and he is just easier to live with all round. Since he's very bright, he should be able to catch up and live an essentially normal life.

2. My sister was a lot more "geeky" than I am - very science and math focussed and looking back I can see in retrospect that she exhibited a lot of autistic/Asperger's type traits. She married a man who really was a poster child for Geeks Anonymous. So if there's a genetic component you would expect it to be concentrated in their child, and that appears to be the case.

3. This is the real kicker -- I found out at my son's yearly checkup in December that he never got his MMR! In all the uproar and confusion leading up to my sister's death he apparently never got taken to the pediatrician. We have heard the stories and followed the discussion here on FR with respect to the vaccine, and had been wondering all these years if somehow the vaccine was responsible for some of my son's troubles. Apparently not.

131 posted on 02/26/2004 6:46:14 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: Coleus; Sabertooth
I agree with you both on the Hep B vaccine; I'm not sure why it is given (Hepatitis B is a devastating illness, but it isn't a common disease amongst school children). I checked the American Academy of Pediatrics site, and it only states that children 18 years and younger and adults at high risk should get the vaccine. I guess this could be analagous to the condom/abstinence debate; condoms for everyone (vaccine for everyone) or abstinence to prevent pregnancy and STD's (abstinence from sex and avoiding blood exposure i.e. no sharing needles to prevent Hep B). It's also interesting to note, that in Pennsylvania, this is a mandatory vaccine for school children.

As for the Hep B vaccine's safety, I've personally administered hundreds of Hep B vaccines to children, and have yet to see ANY adverse reaction from it, so it's probably a very safe vaccine (which is also supported by research on the vaccine).

132 posted on 02/26/2004 6:49:04 AM PST by Born Conservative (Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps.)
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To: Coleus
We had hearings in Texas on the Hep B Vaccine. The issue is all the thousands of Illegal South Americans streaming into Texas who already have Hep B and Tuberculosis (TB) and hundreds of other infectious diseases. Most of these infected Mothers have their baby’s in Parkland Hospital in Dallas and others because it’s free and the child is an instant Citizen. If they make a law that all babies have to have a Hep B vaccine before they can leave the hospital they are able to make sure all the Illegal families are now protected and at least the children will not be spreading the diseases. You see the whole logic of Hep B at birth is to solve the problem of illegal immigration diseases, they know there are far more side effects at birth but if they delay it to 5 years old then all the illegals who can’t afford well baby check ups will miss it.
Government likes one size fits all solutions even if it’s stupid, this way they are done with it
133 posted on 02/26/2004 7:07:33 AM PST by pwatson
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To: cupcakes
It is so hard dealing with this one child with autism, I just can't fathom two. And if there is anything I can do to protect my next son, I will do it.

I can only imagine what it is like to have a child with autism, and I can understand your hesitancy regarding vaccines. For what it's worth, I'm an RN in a large outpatient pediatric clinic at a medical center/teaching hospital. One of the doctors I have worked with is a Neurodevelopmental Pediatrician (neurodevelopmental peds is a specialty dealing with disorders such as autism, learning disorders, ADHD, pervasive developmental disorder, etc.). Needless to say, a large part of his practice involves autistic children (up until recently, there haven't been many specialists for autism). I have discussed with him at length the vaccine/autism "link", and he contends there is no link whatsoever based on current scientific evidence. Unfortunately, the cause of autism is unknown.

As for vaccines in general, current vaccines are safe and effective. Does that mean that 100%? No. There will always be that 1 in a million person who may have a serious reaction to a vaccine. But the risk of the vaccines are still much lower than the risk of the diseases they are preventing. I have personally seen a child with Tetanus early in my career, and it's not pretty (imagine the pain of labor only multiply that 10 fold; he ended up on a ventilator for several days on chemical paralysis and sedation; he did eventually get better). I've also taken care of numerous children with Hib meningitis (this was common prior to Hib vaccine). Many of these kids developed complications such as seizure disorders, hearing loss, and even mental retardation due to the meningitis. Had the vaccine been available at the time, they wouldn't have gotten meningitis (it's rare to see Hib meningitis these days). As for these diseases still being present, they are. We still have whole populations in this country who don't get vaccinated (the Amish), so the organisms and people who develop the diseases are still out there. My point in all of this is so that you keep an open mind, make informed decisions, and try to do what's best for your children.

134 posted on 02/26/2004 7:14:04 AM PST by Born Conservative (Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps.)
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To: vetvetdoug
It's not the vaccine that was the problem. It's the mercury based preservative that is the issue. It was used to allow multiple injections to be given from a single bottle of vaccine. Easy enough to go back to single dosage containers IMHO.
135 posted on 02/26/2004 11:26:53 AM PST by Vic3O3 (Jeremiah 31:16-17 (KJV))
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To: vetvetdoug
=== Vaccine companies will be scared as hell to develop anything new.


Oh please ... if the Blood Trail's taught me one thing, it's that blood brokers and pharmas are bullet-proof.
136 posted on 02/26/2004 12:07:40 PM PST by Askel5
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To: cupcakes
My 4th child is autistic. You may want to be careful before making assumptions.
137 posted on 03/01/2004 12:07:33 PM PST by frgoff
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To: frgoff
Good for your for holding out against junk science. I will be glad to cralw on my knees over broken glass to apologise if there is some some simple way to prevent autism. Doubly so if the culprit turns out to be contaminated vaccines. But I doubt if this will be the case. Autism continues to be the scourage of the brainy class. If it were vaccines it would hit welfare childrn juss as frequently, because they have to get all their shots to qualify.
138 posted on 03/01/2004 12:15:39 PM PST by js1138
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To: stanz
gary is on now, 1600 am
139 posted on 03/03/2004 10:06:30 AM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the heads up...I'm at work..no radio.
140 posted on 03/03/2004 10:09:10 AM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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