Amid lawsuit, Scouts allege harassment by S.D. at Fiesta Island

San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 2/25/04 | Ray Huard

[RonF]

The Boy Scouts yesterday accused San Diego city officials of harassing volunteers and Scouts using the Fiesta Island aquatic center the group leases from the city.

Boy Scouts volunteers have been singled out for "thousands of dollars of parking tickets" and videotaped by city rangers, and Scouts have been prevented from using adjacent parkland to eat lunch or work on projects, said Merrilee Boyack, a spokeswoman for the Boy Scouts Desert Pacific Council.

The Scouts, in an amendment to a lawsuit against the city, have asked a federal judge to order the city to stop such behavior.

"We just want to go about our business of taking care of youth and serving youth," Boyack said.

Deputy City Attorney John Mullen said, "There has not been any concerted effort to harass the Boy Scouts. I assume if they got parking tickets it was because they were illegally parked."

Boyack said vehicles belonging to volunteers were given parking tickets while others in the same area were not.

Mullen said he didn't know why volunteers would be videotaped, but he would look into it and any other concerns the Scouts raise once he gets a copy of the complaint.

[RonF]

I kind of doubt that the local BSA Council would go out on a limb and make these claims if they weren't true.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

This is an outrage.

[per loin]

In San Diego the parks are reserved for the molestation of little boys. Allowing Boy Scouts into the park could interfere with these activities.

[Hodar]

In July, U.S. District Judge Napoleon Jones Jr. agreed with the ACLU that the Balboa Park lease violated the constitutional separation of church and state.

I sure wish that U.S. District Judge Napoleon Jones Jr. would show someone where this is described in the Constitution. The fact of the matter is that the Constitution does NOT mention separation of church and state. The 1st Admendment states:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I would suggest he be disbarred for gross imcompetence, as knowing what is in the Constitution should be a basic prerequisite for being a US District Judge.

[LiteKeeper]

INTREP - FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ASSOCIATION IS IN JEPOARDY

[archy]

I would suggest he be disbarred for gross incompetence, as knowing what is in the Constitution should be a basic prerequisite for being a US District Judge.

I disagree. As both a jurist and attorney, he's sworn to support and defend the Constitution, and so cannot claim any lack of knowledge of it, since he's taken that protection on as his sworn duty.

Accordingly, he should be disbarred not for incompetence, but for perjury.

[Hodar]

Accordingly, he should be disbarred not for incompetence, but for perjury.

Zing .... right between my eyes.... good point.

[Lurker]

Actually, he should be prosecuted for violating the Boy Scouts Civil Rights under false color of authority.

I believe that crime carries a rather large fine, a lengthy prison sentence, and under the proper circumstances, can actually lead to the death penalty.

L

[philetus]

The Judges involved know they are full of crap with their interpretation of the 1st amendment, but they have been getting away with it for a long time and it serves the liberals agenda.

Same with the 10th.

They're laughing at us.

[archy]

Actually, he should be prosecuted for violating the Boy Scouts Civil Rights under false color of authority.

I believe that crime carries a rather large fine, a lengthy prison sentence, and under the proper circumstances, can actually lead to the death penalty.

Well, only if one of the Scouts is physically harmed or killed....or sexually attacked, hmmmm, would the death penalty potentially apply. But the felony conviction alone would at least be grounds for removal from the bench and disbarment. Sounds like a good start.

Title 18, United States Code, U.S. Criminal Code, Section 242;
- Deprivation of rights under color of law:

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

[Lurker]

Thanks for posting the text of the actual statute.

Now for something completely different, I'm looking for a good optical sight for an AR clone. Any suggestions?

TIA.

L

[archy]

Now for something completely different, I'm looking for a good optical sight for an AR clone. Any suggestions?

TIA.

If it's got the loop handle on it, I favour these, using the RX10 mount. If it doesn't, the US Optics SN-4 or the 3.5x SN12 is a pretty outstanding way to go, especially on a full-rifle barrel length weapon rather than a M4 shorty.

If money is tight, the 3-9 rubbercoated scope from the *Delta sniper* AR15A2 HBARs is usable, and GG&G makes some nice 30mm aluminum scope rings that work well with the Picatinny rail uppers for when you're readt to upgrade.

My own M16A1 configuration AR has had a 4x British SUIT on it by day, a PVS-4 at night. With heavy optics on board, it was nice to have as light a base rifle as possible, and the longer barrel got all the accuracy and power the M193 ball ammunition could deliver. When I used M193 ball ammo.

And if nothing else, a 40mm BSA red dot works pretty well as dot sights go, and if working with a *real* rifle, a 20x spotting scope can be mounted for use as a spotter- it doesn't really need a retical at all, but if you insist, one can be added to the Leopold unit.

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[Lurker]

Thanks!

L

[archy]

Thanks!

Like I said, it depends a bit on which model you have, what you have in mind for a use for it, and whether you intend pretty much leaving it in place or interchanging it with different day/night units or other dual-purpose applications.

[Lurker]

Here's what I have 'in mind for it'.

I'm going to buy a pair of them, you need to know that. Their purpose is, well I guess you'd call them 'general purpose rifles'. One will be for me, one will be for Mrs. L. BTW, one or both of them will be passed on to our son.

Neither one of us will be crashing through doors in the near future, and I doubt seriously that either one of us will be participating in a combat assault on a secured beachead.

What we want, is a couple of AR style rifles which are suitable for general home defense without busting our budget which is around 2.5K or so.

I've been looking at the Fulton Armory stuff, and right now that seems to be the best value for the money, but I'm certainly looking for input....

As far as the rifles go, I don't want to try to turn them into 1000 yard tack drivers, I already have a couple of those. I just want something that works in a 250 to 300 yard envelope.

I'm looking forward to your thoughts, especially on the optics.

Thanks for the links you provided earlier. Most instructive...

L

[archy]

Here's what I have 'in mind for it'.

I'm going to buy a pair of them, you need to know that. Their purpose is, well I guess you'd call them 'general purpose rifles'. One will be for me, one will be for Mrs. L. BTW, one or both of them will be passed on to our son.

Okay, but consider the possibility that something bettter or more suitable may be along for him by the time such an item is of use to him. Or he may develop talents or preferences along other lines, or other yet-unforseen conditions could alter your generally excellent plan.

Neither one of us will be crashing through doors in the near future, and I doubt seriously that either one of us will be participating in a combat assault on a secured beachead.

Well, darn. I'll not bother sending you an invite to our New Years bash then. I hope neither of you is lefthanded, and both have relatively normal vision, corrective lenses/eyeglasses being quite okay?

What we want, is a couple of AR style rifles which are suitable for general home defense without busting our budget which is around 2.5K or so.

That's 2.5 K total, covering rifles, accessories, and at least a reasonable amount of ammo, I expect. That should be very do-able, with a little icing for the cake left over.

I've been looking at the Fulton Armory stuff, and right now that seems to be the best value for the money, but I'm certainly looking for input....

Very nice target rifles. You have a choice between setting two rifles up in essentially identical configuration, or in seperate differing ones that might be a little more specifically tailored toward purpose or preference.

As far as the rifles go, I don't want to try to turn them into 1000 yard tack drivers, I already have a couple of those. I just want something that works in a 250 to 300 yard envelope.

AR's can be pretty easily tuned as a 600-yard rifle, less easily for work at a half-mile [880 yards] or more. For 300 yards, a Vietnam-configuration M16A1 should handle anything out to 300 readily enough, with the 1:12" twist GI barrel suitable for M193 55-grain ball, but not the current heavier *SS109* ammunition of the M16A2 and SAW, which have 1:7" twist rifling. A *compromise* 1:9" barrel could allow you the use of either *up close* M193 ball or HP hunting ammo, or GI M882 69-grain ball should a supply of it come your way...in which case, there's a good chance an extra rifle or two might well come with it. That could suggest the utility of your AR's would be as scope-sighted *designated riflemen* equipment, a little more capable than the average AK or M16-equipped grunt yet also familiar to anyone who's had US military weapons training from 1967 to present. The M16 stock is a little shorter, possibly a better fit for someone of small stature, a woman or youngster, or those wearin bulky winter parkas or field jackets with liner. Or a ballistic vest.

I'm looking forward to your thoughts, especially on the optics.

Thanks for the links you provided earlier. Most instructive...

I'll eventually send a couple more your way, too. I think if I was you, I'd pick up a couple of AR-15 [or clone] lower receivers, postban, against the probability that the AWB will expire in 200 days- if it doesn't, you're still not hurt, as they won't eat anything and you won't have a bunch of money tied up in pre-ban or post-ban parts. Picking up an upper receiver or two and the carriers, bolts and other parts to go in them should bring the total you'd have in both rifles up to around $500 or less, leaving the choice of barrels as your final acquisition. You could either follow the Canadian C7 prototypes, omitting the more expensive and fragile M16A2 rear sights for the very suitable M16Al/C7 dual-aperature *flip sights*... AND your optical sighting equipment.

You COULD go with complete GI M16A1 1:12 upper barrel/receiver assemblies, ready to go, for around $400 each...or with post-ban M16A2 match FAR-15 barrel/upper receiver assemblies from Fulton for $650 each. Or maybe one of each, or a couple of other possibilities.

The other thing to get, now, as soon as possible, if you can: several magazines per rifle, I'd suggest at least five 30-round magazines each. At present, some pretty good deals can be had on the Steel 30-round magazines from Great Britain, which I've had excellent results with. I tend to prefer web slings to nylon ones; I've not yet burned through a web sling on a hot barrel, but I have melted through black nylon *silent slings* and padded M60 machinegun slings. Some prefer no sling at all, or one reworked with a parachute cord noose at either end, that can be quickly looped to the rifle if it becomes necessary to carry it slung. I can live with GI web okay. A couple of possibilities for carrying spare magazines exist, again depending on the circumstances of use. GI webgear or *tac vests* is one variant, a Royal Robbins vest an alternative, or an East German 4-magazine AK74 pouch can be an easy, low-cost solution, especially with an over-the-shoulder carry strap added- and which can double as a spare sling for the rifle.

A reasonably complete set of spare parts should pretty well finish out your requirements, followed by ammo, ammo, and more ammo. Get as much as you need/want to have on hand, shoot up some of the oldest/first obtained ammo in practice and replace every round you shoot up in practice with two.

A .22 conversion kit is an additional possible useful acquisition. So is a good quality carrying case. A couple of others might come along too.

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[Travis McGee]

It's the Gaystapo, Government Branch. They hate straight boys who won't let the homo chickenhawks molest them.

[dennisw]

More attacks by godless atheists running with the gay mafias. Against traditional, moral organixzations.