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What "Gay" Marriage Will Mean for our Children
Mission America ^ | 2/22/04 | Linda P. Harvey

Posted on 02/22/2004 4:50:09 PM PST by GrandMoM

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To: Steve Eisenberg
I've heard some stories about 12th grade girls in a certain high school that strongly indicate to me that lesbianism can easily spread in a wave

There are some women's colleges where the girls are described as LUGS; Lesbians until graduation.

Sounds like they're making a choice.

61 posted on 02/22/2004 7:20:00 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: GrandMoM
For the natural family.
62 posted on 02/22/2004 7:30:35 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: GrandMoM
"Same sex marriage? It doesn't bother me!"

It should bother everyone !

Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.

63 posted on 02/22/2004 7:33:53 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Luk17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea)
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To: gogipper
How many times does it have to be said??? Correlation IS NOT causation.

The decline of marriage in Scandinavia most likely has very little to do with homosexual marriage since that's a relatively recent phenomenon, and most likely to do with an overly generous and very entrenched welfare system that has made the economic need for marriage nearly obsolete.

Try some critical analysis sometime. It'll do you good.

64 posted on 02/22/2004 7:36:54 PM PST by tdadams
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping -

It's all about the children.

Let me know if you want of or off this ping list.
65 posted on 02/22/2004 7:37:05 PM PST by little jeremiah (everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone isn't entitled to be right.)
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To: H2dude
I still think that the gays really dont pose a threat to anyone

Ahhh, about the indoctrination of children that it's "ok???????" just by exposure?! HELL yes it's a threat.

66 posted on 02/22/2004 7:58:08 PM PST by Indie (That earthling has stolen the Iludium 238 explosive space modulator!!)
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To: proudpatriot2112
The "Attack of the Gay Agenda" - Takes a minute to load but it is worth looking at:
67 posted on 02/22/2004 8:01:00 PM PST by Larkin
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To: tdadams
The article was too long to post in entirety, but in reply to your suggested alternative "cause" the article says that gay marriage is both a cause and affect.

BTW. In the social sciences you rarely can scientifically establish cause and effect, correlation is a fairly common approach. Critical enough for your?


British demographer Kathleen Kiernan, the acknowledged authority on the spread of cohabitation and out-of-wedlock births across Europe, divides the continent into three zones. The Nordic countries are the leaders in cohabitation and out-of-wedlock births. They are followed by a middle group that includes the Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain, and Germany. Until recently, France was a member of this middle group, but France's rising out-of-wedlock birthrate has moved it into the Nordic category. North American rates of cohabitation and out-of-wedlock birth put the United States and Canada into this middle group. Most resistant to cohabitation, family dissolution, and out-of-wedlock births are the southern European countries of Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Greece, and, until recently, Switzerland and Ireland. (Ireland's rising out-of-wedlock birthrate has just pushed it into the middle group.)

These three groupings closely track the movement for gay marriage. In the early nineties, gay marriage came to the Nordic countries, where the out-of-wedlock birthrate was already high. Ten years later, out-of-wedlock birth rates have risen significantly in the middle group of nations. Not coincidentally, nearly every country in that middle group has recently either legalized some form of gay marriage, or is seriously considering doing so. Only in the group with low out-of-wedlock birthrates has the gay marriage movement achieved relatively little success.

This suggests that gay marriage is both an effect and a cause of the increasing separation between marriage and parenthood. As rising out-of-wedlock birthrates disassociate heterosexual marriage from parenting, gay marriage becomes conceivable. If marriage is only about a relationship between two people, and is not intrinsically connected to parenthood, why shouldn't same-sex couples be allowed to marry? It follows that once marriage is redefined to accommodate same-sex couples, that change cannot help but lock in and reinforce the very cultural separation between marriage and parenthood that makes gay marriage conceivable to begin with.

68 posted on 02/22/2004 8:05:03 PM PST by gogipper (Judgement at Nuerenburg ...... Judgement at Baghdad)
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To: H2dude
Caligula married his neutered slave and pronounced his horse Consul.

I suppose that would qualify as a "committment."

69 posted on 02/22/2004 8:12:33 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: buffyt
. I say leave the gays alone. I have known so many gays who have had LONG term, lifetime committed relationships. Compared to heterosex. couples who have had 3, 4, 6 divorces.....

I have known gays who whored around and never commited, and I have known many "heterosex. couples" who had LONG term, lifetime commited relationships.

If you choose your comparassons your always right..."So what if Michael Jackson raped some kids, thats nothing compared to Hitler!!!"

Ive had a longterm, loving relationship with my dog. According to you, I can marry her.

70 posted on 02/22/2004 8:20:38 PM PST by bigjoesaddle (Shrug)
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To: Larkin
Too bad that last thing in the toon is a bald faced lie.
71 posted on 02/22/2004 8:21:11 PM PST by Houmatt (Justice For Carlie!)
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To: GrandMoM
Never before in the history of mankind have some many been so worried about so few. Homosexuals are less than 2% of the population.

Consider this...

Far, far fewer homosexuals have abortions that do heterosexuals.

72 posted on 02/22/2004 8:32:32 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (arabed - verb: lower in esteem; hurt the pride of [syn: mortify, chagrin, humble, abase, humiliate])
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To: Jeff Gordon
Far, far fewer homosexuals have abortions than do heterosexuals.

Gee, I wonder why that is?

73 posted on 02/22/2004 8:39:13 PM PST by scarface367 (This tagline known to the state of California to cause cancer in laboratory animals)
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To: buffyt
Gay marriage will destroy NOTHING~ these people were born this way, period!

I'd ask you to support that statement but you cannot. If you want an education on the subject, check this out.

Have you ever completely changed your mind on a hot political issue? Dr. Spitzer changed his mind on whether homosexuals can leave the lifestyle:

"I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted--but that no one could really change their sexual orientation. I now believe that's untrue--some people can and do change." Spitzer completely changed his mind whether or not some homosexuals can change. And then Spitzer concluded with:

"the mental health professionals should stop moving in the direction of banning therapy that has, as a goal, a change in sexual orientation. Many patients, provided with informed consent about the possibility that they will be disappointed if the therapy does not succeed, can make a rational choice to work toward developing their heterosexual potential and minimizing their unwanted homosexual attractions."

Source: Spitzer made the above comments at an annual APA meeting, May 9, 2001. The study was reported in the May 9, 2001 issues of The Washington Post, The New York Times, USA Today and it was also released to many local newspapers via the AP. ABC, CBS, FOX and MSNBC all reported the study.

Spitzer went from believing homosexuals can't change to where they can, and then he goes so far as to say mental health professions shouldn't ban the very therapy resulting in that change.

Who is Spitzer? In 1973 he played a pivotal role in the APAs decision to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder. A decision based on homosexual activism, not science.

74 posted on 02/22/2004 8:39:44 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Quix
Is it a case of discrimination; is "The State" playing favorites? If I can't properly register my beloved dog because 'its not status quo' or 'The Statutes forbid that breed being licensed'---- then Lady Justice is definitely playing favorites.... and Civil unions are akin to other bits of paper from desks of "The State"/mankind when all is said and done. Once Upon A Time in The West "The Law" and "Almighty God" were sort of romantically involved, but now they're not on speaking terms it appears.

I say let the licenses flow to all who can pay the clerks and let them proudly display the happiness, status and honor which the bill of sale bestows. Period. I can accept and tolerate those people who get "married" by The State or the courts or cruise ship captains or Prison Wardens or video hook ups or mail order or Wal-Mart coupons... but I don't respect them as much as bridegrooms and brides who believe in God and get married as He intends, as He Wills according to His Word. My Mother and My Father were married religiously: the whole 9 yards as per J-C tradition; in a consecrated place of worship in the presence of God, by a Man of God who invoked God's name and God's blessing upon the occasion and the promises sworn in His name. Thats a bon-fide wedding, accept no imitations. Divorces occur -sure. Las Vegas 'intoxicated' weddings occur -sure. Arranged or economically co-erced weddings occur -sure. But whether the participants in any sort of wedding at all are ever "Husband and Wife" in the eyes of God is up to God to choose, not me and not my J-C heritage. Whether any undertaking is blessed/approved by God depends on His Grace. Therefore He gives us all the right instructions to appeal to his Grace... and thats how we can have faith and confidence that we attain it.

If ungodly people want to mock Marriage they are free to mock away all day. Note that the pink elephant standing in the room here for those of the J-C faiths is the fact that millions of heathen marriages have occured and continue to occur; from Mecca to Mogadishu. God nevertheless loves those heathens and the deceived, we can be sure of that. And in the case of perversion activists looking for marriage certificates, who cares? What my wife and I and God have and hold is not devalued or threatened by a San-Francisco clerk's Xerox machine. Let them wave their Marriages Certificates and their State receipts around in their glee and their delusion; but don't ask me to respect them all that much; SF was the city that had the slogan "Tune In, Drop Out" and these are the activists who said "We don't need your 'stinkin' badges!'" in so many words. Yet here they are now, the hypocrits, saying that they have changed their monds and they really do covet acceptance and the lynchpins of American Culture -- they do want The State's stamp of approval. Stamp away I say. All the while the real questions for the Nation and the culture are

75 posted on 02/22/2004 8:49:56 PM PST by rocknotsand ( "I don't want any messages saying we are holding our position... We're not holding anything!")
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To: rocknotsand
It's an understandable perspective and perhaps in a lot of respects not that far from my normal natural bent.

But I've decided that it's better to stand up and be counted against the tide of evil rather than acquiesce.

They make enough noise in behalf of evil. Let the good NOT be silent.
76 posted on 02/22/2004 8:53:50 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
But I've decided that it's better to stand up and be counted against the tide of evil rather than acquiesce. ....AS ALL OF US AGAINST THIS SHOULD!
77 posted on 02/22/2004 9:07:10 PM PST by GrandMoM (....for the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart {Matthew 12:34})
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To: tdadams
There's a real danger in believing everything you read. This is far from factual, it's one person's worst case scenario hypothesizing taken to the level of hyperbole....I will pray for you tdadams. I will pray that you someday wake up to the fact you are defending evil and decide to change and defend the real people that need it, the children that are being attacked and brainwashed by that same evil you defended!
May GOD save your soul!

78 posted on 02/22/2004 9:16:23 PM PST by GrandMoM (....for the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart {Matthew 12:34})
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To: GrandMoM

That should not be construed to = being steadfastly against individuals unless they have clearly chosen to side with satan.

Any who would want deliverance, I would cheer toward it.

Love the sinner, hate the sin IS a viable concept.
79 posted on 02/22/2004 9:17:33 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
How about an amendment to the Marriage blood test that denies all applications where the applicants do not have opposing DNA; ie male and female only marriages? Can GW get it thru? If it passed and became law, the pro-perversionists would continue their seige on the J-C culture on another legal front for sure. American J-C culture is one of heck of a trophy and worth a struggle...
80 posted on 02/22/2004 9:17:56 PM PST by rocknotsand ( "I don't want any messages saying we are holding our position... We're not holding anything!")
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