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Electoral College Breakdown, Installment Seven
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Posted on 02/22/2004 12:39:46 PM PST by Dales

Edited on 02/22/2004 1:26:47 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Due to popular demand, I am going to revive my poll tracking and analysis that I did during the 2000 election season. I will be starting things a bit differently this year. Instead of starting off with a comprehensive overview of the entire nation, I am going to start by looking at five states at a time. For this seventh installment, the random state generator presented me with Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Nebraska, and West Virginia.


Hawaii
Electoral Votes: 4
2000 Result
Gore 55%
Bush 37%

Background: Since McKinley annexed Hawaii and it became a state, only twice has it gone Republican: Nixon's re-election against McGovern and Reagan's re-election against Mondale. It has rarely been close.

Polling Data: No polls available.

Punditry: Hawaii is Safe for the Democrats.


Oregon
Electoral Votes: 7
2000 Result
Gore 46.96%
Bush 46.52%

Background: The last 10 elections have gone 1-5-4. Without Perot, Clinton would likely have lost his initial run here though. From 1968 on, the only Democrat to break 50% here was Michael Dukakis; Reagan and Nixon each broke 50% in their re-elect.

Polling Data: Surprisingly, there have not been any polls that I have found in this traditional battleground state.

Punditry: People tend to overlook Oregon as a battleground state due to the fact that Gore carried it despite Nader taking 5% of the vote. That overlooks that Nader took 4% in the previous election and it is not at all clear that his votes are available to the Democrats, and even if Gore had gotten all of Nader's 2000 votes it still would have been a fairly close race; certainly close enough to consider it a battleground. With no polls, it would be very tempting to just call this a complete toss up, and sometimes I give in to temptation. Toss-up.


Washington
Electoral Votes: 11
2000 Result
Gore 50%
Bush 45%

Background: The Democrats have won the last four, and 6 of the last 10, with all four Republican wins coming consecutively (Nixon, Ford, ReaganX2). It is unclear as to if Clinton would have won the first time here sans Perot; it would likely have been extremely close. The Dukakis/Bush race was very close. The Clinton/Dole race was not.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat
2/4/04 SurveyUSA Link 975 RV 3.2% Bush 43% Kerry 55%

Punditry: Washington is further to the left than Oregon by about 5% points. Right now Washington looks to be on the cusp between leaning and being strong for the Democrats. Until I see some mitigating evidence, I will assume the worst case. Strong Advantage for the Democrats.


Nebraska
Electoral Votes: 5
2000 Result
Bush 62%
Gore 33%

Background: FDR lost here twice. Since then, LBJ won, and otherwise the Democrats have had nothing but futility.

Polling Data: None available.

Punditry: There is not much to say. Safe for Bush.


West Virginia
Electoral Votes: 5
2000 Result
Bush 52%
Gore 46%

Background: It was a huge change from the past when Bush beat Gore here in 2000. Over the last eighteen elections, the Democrats have won 14, and both of Clinton's wins would almost certainly have come even without Ross Perot. This is not a state the Democrats should have lost.

Polling Data:

No polls available yet.

Punditry: On the one hand, I have the fact that Bush won by 5 points last time, and the fact that West Virginia is a very patriotic state. On the other hand, I have the traditional Democrat bias of the state. In the absence of polls, I do not have a good feel for what weight to assign to either, and as such I am calling this a Toss-up.


Summary Table
  Bush Democrat
  Safe Strong Lean Slight Tossup Slight Lean Strong Safe
  ND (3) CO (9) GA (15) NV (5) OR (7) NM (5) CA (55) NY (31) VT (3)
  AL (9) SC (8) NC (15) FL (27) WV (5) ME (4) - DE (3) MA (12)
  MT (3) KY (8) MO (11) - - MI (17) - MD (10) DC (3)
  WY (3) KS (6) VA (13) - - PA (21) - WA (11) RI (4)
  UT (5) MS (6) OH (20) - - - - - HI (4)
  ID (4) - - - - - - - -
  AK (3) - - - - - - - -
  NE (5) - - - - - - - -
Designation
Total:
35 37 74 32 12 47 55 52 26
Candidate
Total:
151 91 136
Undesignated electoral votes: 160


Next installment: Indiana, Arizona, South Dakota, New Jersey, and Connecticut.

Historical election data are located at Dave Leip's invaluable website.

Installment One
Installment Two
Installment Three
Installment Four
Installment Five
Installment Six


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii; US: North Dakota; US: Oregon; US: Washington; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: dales; ecb; electionpresident; electoralcollege; gwb2004; poll
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To: Dales
Nice analysis. Once all your initial installments are complete, it would be interesting to figure out what issues are most likely to impact the tossup/slight lean states.
21 posted on 02/22/2004 1:39:09 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: jack gillis
There's a name I never thought I'd see again...good to see you're still around.
22 posted on 02/22/2004 1:40:32 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: LdSentinal
Do not know about TN, but LA will definitely go for Bush despite the embarrassment of our two current senators...
23 posted on 02/22/2004 1:44:29 PM PST by MarkT
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To: NittanyLion
Good to see you Nittany!! I wrote to dales weeks ago and politely requested re-admittance to the EC Breakdown threads if he started them again.

For obvious reasons, I refrained from posting in the aftermath of FL 2000, although now that feelings aren't so raw ..... or are they?

Anyway, NOW do you believe me that Election 2000 was going to be a dead heat?

: ^{)
24 posted on 02/22/2004 1:52:09 PM PST by jack gillis
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To: Dales
We are a real, true Bible Belt people also. Let this homo marriage thing get good legs and force GWB to take a real stand against it. That's truly where the rubber meets the road here. Cultural issues are above jobs. West Virginians are very tired of the homo agenda. Tired of the assault on religion. Harp on this issue to bring this state to the GOP.

We've alway had unemployment...high unemployment. Yet, let the issues of military or religion come front and center and West Virginians will show up. I know because I are one.
25 posted on 02/22/2004 1:55:49 PM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who preach tolerance seem to have the least for my views.)
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To: Torie
Right now I have it at 286-252.

The dems pick up Nevada, West VA, and NH.

And GOP picking up Michigan(If it's Kerry ).

Toss ups - Nevada, New Mex, Arkansas, Minn, Wisconsin, NH, and West VA.

GOP keeps Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Arizona, Florida Ohio.Dems keep Oregon, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Penn. If I'm 100% right outside of Michigan...we have a tie.

26 posted on 02/22/2004 1:57:06 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: Dan from Michigan
If you want to do it right, Dan, it's either West Virginia or WV or even West "by God" Virginia. None of this West "VA" stuff. VA doesn't live here anymore. Make no mistake, we are very sensitive to this...even more than being called incestuous. 8^)
27 posted on 02/22/2004 1:59:47 PM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who preach tolerance seem to have the least for my views.)
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To: GOP_Proud
Got it. I understand that.

I don't like being considered 'suburbia'.

28 posted on 02/22/2004 2:02:53 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: GOP_Proud
"If you want to do it right, Dan, it's either West Virginia or WV or even West "by God" Virginia. None of this West "VA" stuff. VA doesn't live here anymore. Make no mistake, we are very sensitive to this...even more than being called incestuous. 8^) "


Likewise for Virginia.
Unless you are mailing a letter, it's Virginia, or Va.

VA is the Veterans Administration.

The Federal Post Office does not name states.
29 posted on 02/22/2004 2:03:51 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: Dan from Michigan
GOP picking up New Mex too.
30 posted on 02/22/2004 2:06:24 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: jack gillis
For obvious reasons, I refrained from posting in the aftermath of FL 2000, although now that feelings aren't so raw ..... or are they?

Not for me...how about yourself?

Anyway, NOW do you believe me that Election 2000 was going to be a dead heat?

*grin* Nice to see you haven't lost a step...

31 posted on 02/22/2004 2:08:34 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Clintonfatigued
I agree. Add the jobless recovery and the affordable
access to health care issue, you can predict a 55%
plurality for Kerry and a possible defeat of the lone
GOP congressperson, Capito. The bottom line is that the
Dems have a 2 to 1 edge in voter registration in the
state, and despite their idiocy, Byrd and Rockefeller
are icons that can turnout the vote in WV.
32 posted on 02/22/2004 2:15:02 PM PST by buckalfa
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To: Dales
Boy you got this one posted sooner than I thought. Good work. Can I get on your ping list?
33 posted on 02/22/2004 2:18:24 PM PST by JLS
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To: NittanyLion
Not for me. I know some Dems who are still seething, though.

I'm looking for another dead heat this time; in fact, if the Red states get redder (as dales's analysis indicates so far) and the Blue states say the same (again, looks like it could be that way) and a couple of Purple states go from Red to Blue (say, WV, as discussed above and NV because of Yucca Mtn), we could have the exact reverse of last time--Bush wins the popular vote, loses the EC.

Wouldn't that beat all?
34 posted on 02/22/2004 2:26:34 PM PST by jack gillis
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To: NittanyLion
Planning on taking a closer look at some of that after all the states are done.
35 posted on 02/22/2004 2:30:46 PM PST by Dales
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To: jack gillis
Agreed. Barring something unforeseen I think this one is as close as 2000. Even with four eventful years of the sort we've seen, nothing points to a significant change in the electoral college.
36 posted on 02/22/2004 2:33:06 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Dales
Great! (BTW, I wasn't suggesting you needed to conduct such an analysis; merely that seeing it would be interesting.)
37 posted on 02/22/2004 2:34:25 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: edwin hubble
"Unless you are mailing a letter, it's Virginia, or Va.

VA is the Veterans Administration."

Pretty sure that for mailing purposes, the two character state codes are Capitalized.

Hence VA for Virginia, CA for California, etc.

Sure, VA is used for other uses, such as Veterans Administration.

Similarly, CA is also a country code, for Canada.

38 posted on 02/22/2004 2:37:04 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
"Pretty sure that for mailing purposes, the two character state codes are Capitalized. "

Yes, for mailing purposes (only) it's VA.


39 posted on 02/22/2004 2:41:55 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: Dan from Michigan
Oregon is just a tough state to call. I have to give the dems a slight edge, but it's winnable. Gore only won 8 counties, and only in Multnomah county(Portland) did he get 53% or highter(64%). Gore only broke 50% in 4 other counties.(Lincoln, Lane, Benton, Clatsop), and the others he won with 48 or 49% were Columbia, Hood River, and Washington. Bush won two counties with 48 or 49%. Tillamook and Clackamas. He won the rest with over 50%.

Do the counties really matter where you don't know what the population is in each one?

40 posted on 02/22/2004 2:42:59 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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