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We had virtually to straight-jacket [Kerry] to keep him under control (Admiral Zumwalt on Kerry)
taipeitimes ^ | Feb 11, 2004 | W. Scott Thompson

Posted on 02/17/2004 4:50:28 PM PST by jmstein7

Harold Wilson, that British politician more canny than admired, usefully reminded his audience that things can change very quickly in politics.

"A week is a long time," he said, in politics, and we have seen this over and over in the American scene these past months.

After all, only nine weeks ago former vice president Al Gore blessed the insurgent campaign of Howard Dean and most pundits thought the race was over. All that was needed was the anointing of the former Vermont governor as Democratic party standard-bearer to take on US President George W. Bush in November.

Overnight Senator John Kerry, whose campaign had almost imploded late last year, turned the race upside down by winning big in Iowa's caucuses and then the weeks following in New Hampshire, Missouri and other primaries -- not only showing he has the "Big Mo" (or momentum) essential for winning in America, but a hammerlock on the nomination.

Or so it looks. After all, Senator Joe Lieberman has withdrawn, Wesley Clark's hopes are forlorn and John Edwards is resting his case on a single win, in the state of his birth.

But can it happen again? Dean's hold looked airtight until folks actually went to the polls. He had money to burn and endorsements from across the country, and now he is barely maintaining viability as a serious candidate. What could go wrong with Kerry's campaign at this point, and are there any implications for Asia?

Not a lot, but no one yet considers it over. The lanky and experienced Massachusetts senator has money to burn. No one wants to say it, but his wife's near billion-dollar fortune at the very least permits him to spend all his own, more modest, fortune to smooth his way. She can't shovel money directly into his campaign, but the mere fact of her fortune gives confidence to other contributors or lenders that they're backing a winner. He has seemingly unlimited self-confidence, despite many trip-ups in his long career.

But no senator has won the keys to the White House since John F. Kennedy.

There's a reason why senators don't tend to win. They've been on the record for too long on too many issues. There are too many interest groups they have had to cultivate and satiate to stay in politics. Sam Nunn, a powerful senator from Georgia who didn't even have to face serious re-election opposition, left the Senate in 1996 because he tired of spending his evenings entertaining his major supporters and running over to the Senate to vote. At the prime of life, he wanted to rediscover his family.

The real issue that Kerry must resolve is, however, character. Now that he is the front-runner, he must not only answer to all the charges of serving special interests that have risen and will still rise, he has to satisfy the public that he is, not to put too fine a point on it, an honorable man. There are questions.

Kerry has managed to straddle many issues and so it is difficult to discern his real beliefs -- other than in himself. He votes for the war in Iraq so he doesn't look "wet" and then votes against Pentagon budget rises, so he can please the liberal Democrats, who give him one of their highest ratings. When he looks at an acquaintance, he always seems to be looking just past, to see if someone more important lurks behind his interlocutor. Of course that's just standard politics. But people want something more.

He now makes much of his decorations from the war in Vietnam, to appeal to centrists and conservatives, without reminding those audiences that he for long was a leader of Vietnam veterans against the war. Indeed, assiduous searchers, looking for his vulnerabilities, will find much of interest in that period of his life. For example, the fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.

It is that sort of thing that senators don't have to worry about. But if they become a front-runner for president, the whole ball-game changes. Their past is scrutinized with a fine-tooth comb. In Kerry's case, for example, he has shown precious little interest in Asia since his tour in Vietnam, and there is little doubt that he will follow the standard Democratic party, pro-Beijing, line. But every word he's ever spoken on it will be scrutinized.

That is why it is not only true that a week is a long time in politics. But, as they say in American politics, "It ain't over until the fat lady sings."

W. Scott Thompson is an adjunct professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University in Boston, and a former assistant secretary of state in the Reagan administration. He has visited Taipei eight times and now lives in Bali.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; cno; kerry; kerrylies; militaryrecord; straightjacket; swiftboat; vietnamwar; warcriminal; zumwalt
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To: jmstein7; Hon
Hon is checking many parts of Kerry's mytho-illogical Vietnam carreer.

He's got good sources.

But I had not realized Admiral Zumwalt could be worried PERSONALLY about a single Ltjg in the midst of an entire war!

(Much less even remember one Ltjg when he should be worried about a 100,000 man fleet!)

Of course, this indicates Kerry DID SERVE in Vietnam. People remember him!
101 posted on 02/17/2004 8:43:39 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: jmstein7
young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

I think it's beginning to focus. kerry is a loose cannon, and so, twisted and consumed with his own guilt (and driven to divert his own focus from it), he comes home and says that we were all doing it and tries to hide from his conscience in a cause by organizing protests against the war.

This man is dangerous.

Maybe someone was paid off to hurt the privileged son so they could get him the heck out of there before he did more damage.

Is there a little voice inside this man screaming "I'm a Vietnam vet! I'm a Vietnam Vet! I'm a Vietnam Vet! I'm a good person! I'm a hero! I didn't do anything wrong!"?

He doesn't neet to be elected. He needs observation.

102 posted on 02/17/2004 8:48:15 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: rllngrk33
February 28, 1969:
When Kerry's Patrol Craft Fast 94 received a B-40 rocket shot from shore, he hot dogged his craft beaching it in the center of the enemy position. To his surprise, an enemy soldier sprang up from a hole not ten feet from Patrol Craft 94 and fled.

The boat's machine gunner hit and wounded the fleeing Viet Cong as he darted behind a hootch. The twin .50s gunner fired at the Viet Cong. He said he "laid 50 rounds" into the hootch before Kerry leaped from the boat and dashed in to administer a "coup de grace" to the wounded Viet Cong. Kerry returned with the B-40 rocket and launcher.

Kerry was given a Silver Star for his actions.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/page2.html
103 posted on 02/17/2004 8:48:29 PM PST by Valin (America is the land mine between barbarism and civilization.)
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To: jmstein7
Overnight Senator John Kerry, whose campaign had almost imploded late last year, turned the race upside down by winning big in Iowa's caucuses and then the weeks following in New Hampshire, Missouri and other primaries -- not only showing he has the "Big Mo" (or momentum) essential for winning in America, but a hammerlock on the nomination.

I laugh every time I see the "Big Mo" monicker, because around here, a "'mo" is a contraction of "homo(sexual)."

I suppose if his French nose wasn't so high in the air seeking out Grey Poupon mustard, he might know this.

104 posted on 02/17/2004 8:49:29 PM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: NonValueAdded
"Is there any corroboration for this?"

Even if there is, and if this guy Zumwalt is still alive, chances are his story will change as quick as the Polier's did.

105 posted on 02/17/2004 8:52:12 PM PST by mass55th
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To: Rockpile; Hon
No.

He was on a 1 year routine assignment on the USS Gridley (CG-21) offshore as electrical officer. Feb-May, then then went home to Long Beach.

Kerry abandoned the cruiser when it went into the repair period after deployment and went up to Napa valley (Mare Island) to train as Swift boat officer.

Then, after only 90 days in the Swift boats he abandoned them to go home (using as an excuse an unwritten technicality of 3 minor wounds) to admirals aide position in Boston.

Then he abandoned that duty station 9 months early to go campaign for Congress. We DO KNOW that he was in several frequent protest meetings with Zumwalt and Abrams (chief of all forces in Vietnam!) over US policy. My opinion? Zumwalt "medalled him" to shut him up. (And, as stated, to encourage the others out there). His boss used the Kerry's medical request to get rid of a troublemaker, so he could get a real (ie, reliable) officer into that position.
106 posted on 02/17/2004 8:54:23 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: AmericanVictory
BINGO

Explains why he felt he had to lie and accuse others of doing what he had done.

107 posted on 02/17/2004 8:55:05 PM PST by GOPJ (NFL Fatcats: Grown men don't watch hollywood peep shows with wives and children.)
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To: jmstein7
bttt
108 posted on 02/17/2004 9:01:33 PM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for that ping. Here's another, actually pretty decent article, documenting some of the detail about Kerry's service:
From:
http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml

{SNIP}
“…In the distance, an elderly man was tending his water buffalo -- and serving as human cover for a dozen Viet Cong manning a machine-gun nest.

"Open fire; let's take 'em," Kerry ordered, according to his second-in-command, James Wasser of Illinois. Wasser blasted away with his M-60, hitting the old man, who slumped into the water, presumably dead. With a clear path to the enemy, the fusillade from Kerry's Navy boat, backed by a pair of other small vessels, silenced the machine-gun nest.

When it was over, the Viet Cong were dead, wounded, or on the run. A civilian apparently was killed, and two South Vietnamese allies who had alerted Kerry's crew to the enemy were either wounded or killed….”

109 posted on 02/17/2004 9:16:15 PM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: rllngrk33
"I also keep hearing how his three purple hearts were for "minor wounds". "

June 1968 -- slightly wounded in left arm during firefight.
February 1969 -- shrapnel wound in left thigh
March 1969 -- mine detonated near Kerry's boat, wounding him in right arm.

"Asked by a Globe reporter about the severity of the wounds, Kerry said one of them cost him about two days' service, and that the other two didn't interrupt his duty."

Source -- The ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION, Saunday, Feb 15, 2004, Q&A, page C4.

110 posted on 02/17/2004 9:18:48 PM PST by gatex
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To: oldgrunt
thanks sir. That story has always disturbed me. I have never been in the military and was unwilling to pass judgement thinking "You have to have been there". But shooting the wounded vietnamese soldier in the back gives one pause. Wish we knew who else was on that boat so we could get their perspective.
111 posted on 02/17/2004 10:14:48 PM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: jmstein7
I got a call from a friend who assures me that as soon as Kerry is decided upon to represent the Democrats, some Vietnam vets are going to unleash fury on his ass!
112 posted on 02/17/2004 10:59:22 PM PST by Chapita
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To: Grampa Dave; Mudboy Slim; MeekOneGOP; sultan88; Hatteras; jmstein7
John Kerry goes hunting

113 posted on 02/18/2004 9:14:09 AM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: FBD
LOL...Gigolo Kerry's a Bambi-killer!!

FReegards...MUD

114 posted on 02/18/2004 9:28:43 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: prairiebreeze; NonValueAdded; southernnorthcarolina; OldFriend; All
PHOTO PROVES 'AWOL' BUSH JOINED D.C. PEACE RALLIES WITH HANOI JANE FONDA
-- DEMOCRATS APOLOGIZE TO PRESIDENT


WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration today released a photograph which it said verifies that a young George W. Bush was serving his country as a National Guardsman by attending "patriotic anti-war rallies with Jane Fonda and John Kerry in Washington D.C."

"The President felt at the time that the best way to serve his country was to support the anti-war movement," said White House press secretary Scott McClellan. "So, he hitched a ride in a VW microbus with some other patriots from his Alabama Guard unit, and went to cheer Jane and John."

Sen. Kerry said, "This evidence finally puts to rest the scurrilous allegations about Mr. Bush's service in the National Guard. Now that it's been proven that my opponent was a true patriot, marching with Jane Fonda against war, we can move on to a discussion of the issues facing our nation today."

-- Scott Ott, courtesy Scrappleface, © Copyright 2003


115 posted on 02/18/2004 9:37:50 AM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: ampat
I don't know if Thompson has his kerry's right. His article is based on a verbal conversation. Senator Bob Kerrey was in VN at the same time as John Kerry. Bob Kerrey had admitted publicly that he had killed civilians when he was in VN. Unless Thompson can clear up which Kerry or Kerrey Adm. Z was referring to, this may be a non-story.

The author is correct. Do a search on google.com for kerry and zumwalt and you'll find numerous references to them (Zumwalt and John Kerry) being in meetings together. I saw one that said Zumwalt wanted to get Kerry the Navy Cross but settled on the Silver Star. It was all an attempt to lift morale of the troops.

116 posted on 02/18/2004 9:49:14 AM PST by mikegi
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To: Matthew James
ping
117 posted on 02/18/2004 10:21:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: FBD; Mudboy Slim
I'm suspicious about the veracity of the story. Even so, I regret that I did not support Zumwalt when he ran against Jawn Wahner for the U.S. Senate.
118 posted on 02/18/2004 1:53:17 PM PST by sultan88 ("I went down Virginia, seeking shelter from the storm...")
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To: NonValueAdded
Okay, really - how in the world would the CNO know if a LT on a swift boat was lighting up friendlies?
119 posted on 02/18/2004 1:57:40 PM PST by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: sultan88
"I regret that I did not support Zumwalt when he ran against Jawn Wahner"

What year was that? Musta been before I was really paying attention...MUD

120 posted on 02/18/2004 2:03:08 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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