[NYCVirago]

Can we start a movement to tell the media to "move on" over the Bush National Guard story?

[samtheman]

Where is our equivalent to this?

[NYCVirago]

For all of its innovations, MoveOn's results have been mixed. Despite MoveOn's efforts Clinton was impeached (though the group sent plenty of donations to fight impeachment supporters in the 2000 congressional contests) and actions to prevent the California recall were unsuccessful. The group was ultimately unable to prevent the Bush administration from invading Iraq, though Blades said members' appeals to their representatives in Washington forced the lawmakers to demand that Bush seek legislative approval first.

One other thing -- the results have *not* been mixed. They FAILED at all these battles!

[backhoe]

Cincy, I just love the way nearly everything the Media Hive covers has to fit into some kind of template or box- like this one, the "rose from Humble Beginnings to become a Mighty Powerhouse" story.

The Flying Toasters, $89, and a Chinese Restaurant, fer Gawd's Sake.

Like this crowd isn't a pile of partisans and activists from 'way back:

-That MoveOn Ad Morphing Bush into Hitler? Some Links...--

[weegee]

Today, the organization has 1.7 million members

It is a PAC, not an organization. Call them lobbyists if you will, Big Media.

How many of those 1.7 million are not American citizens but still want a say in American government? MoveOn.Org got busted for soliciting campaign contributions from overseas.

[weegee]

Another fracas erupted when CBS refused to air the winning ad during the Super Bowl. The spot, called "Child's Play," shows a series of children working blue-collar jobs and ends with the line: "Guess who's going to pay off Bush's $1 trillion deficit?" MoveOn protested, taking out a full-page advertisement in The New York Times criticizing CBS and urging members to protest the decision with e-mails and phone calls. Several hundred thousand people contacted the network, according to MoveOn.

That ad was written and produced by a foreign firm. It even used foreign labor. Nice to see the FEC paying attention to campaign laws < /sarcasm >.

[Stultis]

MoveOn.org now consists of an issue advocacy group, a political action committee, and a Voter Fund for battleground-state advertising in 2004.

Oh, Goody! Their ads will be over-the-top vicious and extremist. (Their members will wail if they're not.) They'll drive 3 or 4 independents or moderates toward Bush for every left-leaner they energize, motivate the conservative base as much or more than the lefties, and only appeal to those who were going to vote 'Rat anyway.

[FormerACLUmember]

Move On is as dedicated to the destruction of the United Stataes as al Queda. Probably more so.

[Always Right]

Move on 1.7 million 'members' have not contributed squat. This organization is proped up by a handful of big money Democrat donors including Soro's. It has no army and certainly isn't as influencial as FreeRepublic, even with their millions from Soros
.

[garylmoore]

I'm not convinced of MoveOn's effectiveness yet. They talk a big game but what have they produced? Howard Dean was their man. The MoveOn members had a faux-primary in summer of 2003 and Dean won easily. That's who they would have picked to run if they had to have picked anyone. Look where he is now.

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We will see in the end when the election is over and our President has won how much influence they have.

[moonman]

They should 'moveon' to another country.

[mewzilla]

Isn't this an interesting piece of spin by the BG on the origins of MoveOn...These guys are starting to make the Beeb look fair and balanced.

[1rudeboy]

Especially since neither of them had ever been involved in politics before that lunch.

[sigh]

[gunnedah]

I didn't read half of this article but here is really whats happening in America. All of this crap is orchestrated by the media and politicians to steal and take what they can from the average person.If either the media or the politician's had to work for a living they would starve to death. They all are con men and women and the average person falls for this crap.
By dividing America and stirring up this crap they can get those on the INTERNET to donate. This is just a way of replacing the solicitation over the telephone that has been taken away but I was about to forget it is not illegal for a politician to solicit over the telephone is it, wonder why?.Anyway look at the money they are generating and these Bozo's are sitting back laughing at the Jane or John going off to work and making them rich. Then the one that gets elected reaches out to corporate America through PAC,s and takes millions more and caters to them. Either way it is passed back on to the working stiff who pays these crooks bills and salaries.
Wonder where they going to get the money from when we export all the jobs out of the country and we all go to work for the government or go on welfare. America's brilliance is catching up with her!

[Cacique]

Today, the organization has 1.7 million members -- as many as the Christian Coalition at its height.

Remember that the Christian Coalition was responsible for getting Reagan elected. Were it not for them Reagan would have been just another governor who tried for the White House. The establishment GOP via the RNC did NOT want Reagan. The same crowd that still runs the RNC to this day.

I would not be so dismissive of these people. Crackpots or not, all politics, to quote "Tip" O'Neil is local. And grassroots organizations is the way to go.

[sauropod]

MoveOn = hypocrites.

[arasina]

Today, the organization has 1.7 million members -- as many as the Christian Coalition at its height.

I found this sentence to be very revealing. Sort of a taunting "take that, you stupid Christians!"

MoveOn.org --- sprung from the Father of Lies --- not exactly "grassroots" --- more like "pitroots."

[The Bat Lady]

and not one mention of the almost YEAR that MoveOn.org was on the front page of the communist party website as their action button link.

I also think it that many members are just signed up for emails.

Move On SOROS

[OLD REGGIE]

Re: Influence of MoveOn undeniable by Yvonne Abraham

Honesty in labeling is sorely lacking in this propaganda piece.

It is interesting, and revealing, that MoveOn is not once identified by the Boston Globe as a "liberal" or "left wing" organization. Rather, the term "Progressive" is used throughout the article. Is "Progressive" the latest euphemism for "Hate Bush"?

I have emailed the above letter to the Boston Globe Editorial page; Letter@Globe.com

[Gothmog]

"For all of its innovations, MoveOn's results have been mixed [Actually, abysmal failures]. Despite MoveOn's efforts Clinton was impeached (though the group sent plenty of donations to fight impeachment supporters in the 2000 congressional contests) and actions to prevent the California recall were unsuccessful. The group was ultimately unable to prevent the Bush administration from invading Iraq, though Blades said members' appeals to their representatives in Washington forced the lawmakers to demand that Bush seek legislative approval first."

This just proves that MoveOn is just another DC "AstroTurf" lobbying group, not a real grassroots organization like, say, FreeRepublic.

FreeRepublic was right on all those issues, but I don't see the Globe writing paens to Jim Robinson, et al.

But then reality doesn't matter to lib writers, they just need to keep writing flattering articles for their friends.