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Victor Davis Hanson: Just Imagine... Trying to believe in the make-believe world of the present age.
NRO ^ | 02/13/2004 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 02/13/2004 6:00:14 AM PST by Tolik

After listening to a variety of American, Middle Eastern, and European pundits, I wish that their understanding of the way the world works were true — or at least even that they believed it to be true. If so, just imagine the following...

That when all the Israelis vacate the Gaza Strip and, like most of the Arab world elsewhere it is free of Jews, indigenous Palestinian consensual government will at last quickly bring peace and tranquility there to its own delighted native citizenry.

That Arab-Israeli communities near the border are agitating to be annexed by Palestine in order to join their brethren under the aegis of Mr. Arafat's non-Zionist utopia.

That with the promised two-state solution and a return to the so-called Green Line, a few thousand Jewish émigrés can choose to live in safety in newly autonomous Palestine in the same manner as hundreds of thousands of their Arab counterparts now do in Israel.

That Pakistan, Iran, and Libya, either in fear or out of admiration, bowed to pressure from the EU and the UN to release information about their WMD programs.

That Saudi Arabia is now hunting down al Qaedists due to belated sympathy and concern about 9/11.

That Syria and Iran believe that the United States is in a "quagmire" in Iraq, and that because of such failure there they are now more bold and aggressive in their relationships with America.

That in accordance with the angry themes of the Arab state-run media, Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia will shortly announce that they can no longer allow their citizens to visit such a satanic place as the United States.

That had Mr. Carter been allowed to employ his patented Nobel-Prize winning Korean model of curbing nuclear proliferation with Muammar Khaddafi, Libya would now be free of nukes.

That Democratic senators in anguish over zealous scrutiny of immigrants from the Middle East will soon repeal their near-unanimous prior support for the Patriot Act and demand a return to a more enlightened pre-9/11 visa policy.

That there will be a special inquiry of Senate and House members who voted for regime change in Iraq on the basis of their flawed analyses of intelligence information — as well as post-facto investigations of Operation Desert Fox in December 1999 and other previous preemptory strikes against perceived terrorist threats.

That South Korea will further promote its Sunshine Policy by asking the rest of the American forces on the DMZ to relocate to Pusan or return home.

That in exasperation with American unilateralism and in accordance with the "German Way" Mr. Schroeder will ask the United States to transfer its remaining troops to Eastern Europe.

That smaller European countries like Holland, Denmark, Spain, Poland, and others are bewildered by Mr. Rumsfeld's crude suggestion of an "Old Europe" — and his equally inappropriate hint of a bullying Paris-Berlin Axis that purportedly tries to stifle expression and independence in Europe.

That Greece and Turkey, after the fiasco in Iraq, find a "unilateral" United States "intrusive" and "disruptive" to their efforts to adjudicate problems in the Aegean and on Cyprus — and thus jointly ask for a withdrawal of American troops from their shores.

That in humanitarian concern over 50,000 needless civilian deaths last year from heat and earthquake, France will ask the United States for cooperation in installing air conditioners in Paris and Iran will request building inspectors and American architects for advice on seismic retrofitting.

That the Europeans will invest $100 billion or so in an EU rapid-reaction strike force to provide the United Nations at last with some real muscle that can be used in a more sober and judicious fashion under the proper aegis of Security Council wisdom.

That after Iraq we can now agree that the careful, multilateral, and decade-long approach toward Mr. Milosevic is the lawful and most humane way to deal with a purported mass-murderer.

That the United Nations has emerged stronger and won respect for its institutions as a resolute and disinterested adjudicator of the world's problems.

That because Mr. Kerry voted against the 1991 war, he opposed sending troops under U.N. auspices to the Middle East; that because he voted for the 2003 deployment, he advocated sending American troops without the U.N. to the Middle East; and that because he later voted in 2003 to deny funds to troops in the field, he opposed U.S. deployment unless it was under the auspices of the U.N.

That the Democrats will end the mistaken Iraqi commitment, bring home the troops, turn Iraq over to the U.N., craft a new burden-sharing agreement with our a host of willing allies in Afghanistan, and pledge that the United States renounces any sort of further preemption

That we will reopen investigations into why we removed Mr. Noriega, Mr. Milosevic, the Taliban, and other late fascists who, in fact, may have not really posed an "imminent" threat to the safety of the people of the United States.

That bin Laden will shortly announce an end to his war against America just as the last American soldier in Saudi Arabia — his oft-stated prime grievance against the United States — leaves the kingdom.

That when bin Laden is captured, critics of the administration will praise American efforts to have taken out both the Taliban and the Baathists, along with the capture of both their odious leaders.

That the suicide bombing of the last three years in the United States, Russia, Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Bali may be attributable to a variety of unconnected Christian, Jewish, and Hindu religious extremists — and is a reaction to understandable provocation.

That a long-term, scholarly study of the social and economic background of the Hamas suicide bombers, the Hezbollah killers, the al Qaeda leadership, and the suicide-murderers of September 11 will soon reveal a consistent, predictable, and unfortunate pattern of impoverishment, lack of education, and absence of contact with or knowledge of the West.

That the newly created intelligence commission finds that Mr. Bush is too gullible and ignores inferences from raw intelligence and thus is culpable for September 11 — and that Mr. Bush is too hair-triggered and over interprets inferences from raw intelligence and thus is culpable for invading Iraq.

From what I read and hear, I would expect that all these propositions might be credible. But if these logical inferences do not come to pass, then there is something else going on that suggests what many people are writing and saying is not quite plausible — or even what they themselves privately believe to be true.

* * *

Why is this? For all the most recent invective about his lack of spontaneous televised eloquence, almost every necessary and dangerous initiative Mr. Bush has undertaken since 9/11 — protect American shores, destroy the Taliban, scatter al Qaeda, take out Saddam Hussein, promote democracy in the Middle East, put rogue regimes with weapons of mass destruction on notice — has worked or is in the process of coming to fruition.

In response to that success often we have met dissimulation, pretext, and rhetoric of those who have much to lose and very little to gain by seeing the old way of business — status quo alliances, deductive anti-Americanism, corrupt Middle East policies, and bankrupt ideologies such as moral equivalence, utopian pacifism, and multiculturalism — go by the wayside.

And so we get fantasy in place of reality.


TOPICS: Editorial; Israel
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; eu; europe; europeanunion; france; germany; greece; israel; korea; mideast; southkorea; turkey; uk; vdh; victordavishanson; waronterror; wot
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1 posted on 02/13/2004 6:00:16 AM PST by Tolik
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To: seamole; Lando Lincoln; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; absalom01; ...
Victor Davis Hanson moral clarity huge BUMP  [please freepmail me if you want or don't want to be pinged to Victor Davis Hanson articles]

If you want to bookmark his articles discussed at FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-victordavishanson/browse

His NRO archive: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson-archive.asp

2 posted on 02/13/2004 6:02:27 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik; Molly Pitcher
Thanks!
3 posted on 02/13/2004 6:08:09 AM PST by Dog
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To: Tolik
And so we get fantasy in place of reality.

Summation bump.

4 posted on 02/13/2004 6:21:21 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Tolik
Thanks for posting this lucid contrast to the lies and propaganda we are subjected to on a daily basis.
5 posted on 02/13/2004 6:23:42 AM PST by RottiBiz
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To: Tolik
ping for later
6 posted on 02/13/2004 6:35:15 AM PST by schu
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To: Tolik; Vigilantcitizen; RobFromGa; Guillermo; doodad
Oh, my! THAT'S going to leave a mark.

Bump.
7 posted on 02/13/2004 6:47:16 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: Tolik; Vigilantcitizen; RobFromGa; Guillermo; doodad
Oh, my! THAT'S going to leave a mark.

Bump.
8 posted on 02/13/2004 6:47:20 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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Oops, sry for the double.
9 posted on 02/13/2004 6:47:47 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: FreedomPoster
Double BUMP and apology BUMP plus my it's OK response BUMP makes it 4 BUMPs for the price of one BUMP. :))
10 posted on 02/13/2004 7:26:38 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Victor hits another one out of the park.


As an aside. Say the "road map" actually happens(Gee toto I don't think we're in Kansas anymore). What happens to the Gaza?
Is it divided from the westbank by Israel? Physically divided nations don't work.
Does it become a seperate nation?
Does Israel keep control?
Do Israel and Egypt divide it between them?
Does Israel give up land to provide a corridor between Gaza and the west Bank?(YA like THAT'S gonna happen)
11 posted on 02/13/2004 7:30:29 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: Valin
Give it to Egypt and call it a day. Isn't worth anything, anyway.
12 posted on 02/13/2004 7:44:40 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: FreedomPoster
The problem is The Gaza Strip is a stake pointing right into the heart of Israel. In the 6 day war there never was any debate about taking Gaza, there was about the West Bank.
13 posted on 02/13/2004 8:01:48 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: Valin
I don't know if this question was raised at all during Camp-David agreements with Egypt. Playing with IF theory: Egypt was motivated enough to make that agreement and get to the US tit, Israel should have insisted that Gaza population would relocate to Sinai settlements (Sharon himself was clearing Jews out of there and destroying the homes), vacate the Gaza and become Egypt citizens. Population exchange with big land win for Arabs (Sinai). Too bad it did not happen.
14 posted on 02/13/2004 8:21:41 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Tks for the post.

A voice of sanity in a World gone mad.
15 posted on 02/13/2004 8:26:23 AM PST by crazycat
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To: Tolik
Hey. I don't have the answers I'm just asking questions.
The underlying problem is on one side you have people who want peace and are willing to bite the bullet to get it, and on the other you don't. And until one side decides that murder and terrorism and not the answer there won't be peace. And it's going require one side to completly overthrow their political leadership in order for this to happen.
16 posted on 02/13/2004 8:43:03 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Oh, my! THAT'S going to leave a mark.

They should put some fantasy ice on it.

Of course this succinct piece will sail right over the heads of those who are the object of it.
17 posted on 02/13/2004 9:02:14 AM PST by tet68
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To: Tolik
Gaza was discussed during Camp David. Under Arab pressure to not make a separate peace, Sadat kept trying to group Palestinian agreements into the deal. Begin would have none of it. Most focus was on the West Bank, but Gaza was also mentioned. In the end, Carter presumed (correctly) that Sadat cared little for the Palestinians, the rest is history.
18 posted on 02/13/2004 10:54:03 AM PST by Akira (The people have spoken.....the bastards.)
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To: Tolik
It is curious. His point is that they cannot possibly actually believe this drivel, but are simply flailing around for any stick to beat their political opponents with. Of some of them I don't doubt that it is true. But how do the various lines work, if nobody falls for any given one of them?

It seems to me they intended targets of this sort of propaganda never bother to collect enough thoughts to have this unified a view of it. Each line is meant to dismiss the whole matter, to put it in a box and be done with it, in a way that reassures the believer and banishes opposing arguments.

As fantasy it is fragmented, in other words. Sustained thought about any of it is not involved. Past the first sentence of any one of the imaginary positions, there is only emotion, not further thought. They are not living in the real world - that is true. But that they don't believe it themselves, that is not really true.

19 posted on 02/13/2004 12:27:31 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Akira; Valin
Thanks.

I still don't know what Israel really gained in Camp-David. Yes, there is no hot war with Egypt and Israelis can visit tourist sites. But, there is no principal difference between cold peace now and no war condition otherwise. Official Egypt propaganda against Israel is bad as ever. Sinai was an excellent buffer, so the border hostilities would be far removed. Egypt would not have $2bln US money to buy weapons, and Israel would not get into too much of dependence with it's $3bln. That also would force them into economic reforms away from too much government socialism in their economy.

Anti-Israel rhetoric in Europe and Arab world is bad now regardless of any concessions Israel did or ready to do. So, what was the point?

I agree with Valin of course, that all talk is pointless until there are two sides ready to compromise. One is not enough.
20 posted on 02/13/2004 12:31:00 PM PST by Tolik
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