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Evolution Critics Are Under Fire For Flaws in 'Intelligent Design'
Wall Street Journal ^ | Feb 13, 2004 | SHARON BEGLEY

Posted on 02/13/2004 3:14:29 AM PST by The Raven

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:51:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Even before Darwin, critics attacked the idea of biological evolution with one or another version of, "Evolve this!"

Whether they invoked a human, an eye, or the whip-like flagella that propel bacteria and sperm, the contention that natural processes of mutation and natural selection cannot explain the complexity of living things has been alive and well for 200 years.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creationuts; crevolist; evolution; intelligentdesign
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To: Ophiucus
Or this:

http://hhobel.phl.univie.ac.at/regarch/0896/msg00015.html
301 posted on 02/14/2004 1:51:04 PM PST by js1138
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To: All
This could have been a thread of its own, but the present thread is on Intelligent Design "theory" so I'll post the article here, from this source:
Science Education Professor To Give Symposium.

Kansas State University professor John Staver will deliver a paper titled "Should intelligent design be included in school science?" at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Seattle.

Imagine you've been standing at the back of a line for hours to get tickets to your favorite concert or sporting event. Now picture someone who cuts in front of the line as the ticket window opens.

That's how a Kansas State University educator describes a movement proposed by a group at the Discovery Institute in Seattle with regard to promoting the intelligent design theory as a scientific one that is an alternative to the theory of evolution.

"I think everybody can relate to standing in line," John Staver said. "It's probably a part of world culture. The intelligent design people are trying to cut in line and the scientific community is merely pointing that out."

Staver, a K-State professor of science education and director of the Center for Science Education whose mission is to enhance the quality of teaching and learning in science, mathematics, technology and environmental education throughout Kansas and the prairie states. He recently completed a five-year term as executive secretary of the National Association for Research in Science Teaching. Staver was co-chairperson of the 27-member committee of Kansas science educators who wrote new science standards emphasizing evolution. These were approved by the Kansas Board of Education, which reversed a 1999 board decision that allowed school districts to decide if evolution would be taught to students.

Today Staver will deliver a paper titled "Should intelligent design be included in school science?" at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Seattle. Staver and two other educators will take the position and present evidence counter to that theory.

Staver's answer to that question is a resounding "no" until the theory can be established as an accepted scientific theory. According to Staver, the intelligent design theory is a religious-based idea that is an outgrowth of older forms of creationism.

"They're arguing that among other things, evolution is a bankrupt theory that is being protected unfairly by the scientific community," Staver said. "They also assert that evolution no longer, if it ever did, explains and predicts anything and that intelligent design theory is a worthy, scientific alternative theory."

Staver said to establish intelligent design as a scientific theory, advocates must conduct extensive, empirically based scientific experimentation and scientific work, take those procedures, data and results to various scientific professional society meetings, have their data scrutinized and studied, published in refereed scientific journals and then try to get it accepted.

"That's how new scientific ideas are eventually either accepted or rejected by the scientific community," Staver said. "There are just legions of examples throughout the history of science."

Staver cites as an example a group of scientists who several years ago proposed that they had generated cold fusion in an experimental set up at near room temperature. The scientists shared their data and procedures with other scientific groups who replicated the work but could not get the same results. As such, the scientific community dismissed the idea.

"The ID folks are not even doing this," Staver said. "They are taking their idea to the public and trying to convince them that intelligent design is a scientific theory and a better scientific theory that explains the complexities of life and both the unity and diversity of living systems better than does evolution.

"There's nothing wrong with religion. I happen to be a religious person. It just simply isn't science and its proponents are not engaging in the kind of intellectual activity that could get it legitimized as science."

In addition to Staver discussing educational issues involving the conflicting theories, Ron Numbers, a historian of science at the University of Wisconsin-Madison will review the various forms of changes in creationist thinking and demonstrate that intelligent design theory is an outgrowth of those forms of thinking. Steven Gey, a professor of constitutional law at Florida State, will address the legal precedents and the constitutional law issues surrounding the theories.

According to Staver, the intelligent design theory first emerged in the early 1990s. Phillip Johnson, a retired professor of law at University of California-Berkeley, is the acknowledged "father" of the theory. Johnson's book, "Darwin on Trial," subpoenas evolutionary theory before a court of inquiry. Staver said the book is "not a scientific book, but a book about ideas and ideology."

"That's fine," Staver said. "I personally have no problems with intelligent design theory as a religious-based theory. I have big problems with it as a scientific theory."

302 posted on 02/14/2004 2:00:20 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: js1138
Joy, new words and new terms.

Although "abduction" isn't the best choice - "kidnapped reasoning"?

303 posted on 02/14/2004 4:47:33 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: AnHoa1967
It matters, but I'll have to agree that WE'LL not be the ones solving it!

It's time for LIFE!!!
304 posted on 02/14/2004 4:53:10 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: PhilipFreneau; Dimensio
The foolish notion of evolution espoused by ignorant, self-centered atheists has nothing to do with reality.

That's right! Kill the blasphemers! Burn the heretics!!

No thought not approved by the Church. No Book but the Bible. Believe only what we tell you to Believe.

305 posted on 02/14/2004 4:55:01 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Ophiucus
LOL. Hadn't thought of that. There is a problem with the concept of inductive reasoning. It isn't really reasoning. It is an iterative process of jumping to conclusions, then testing the conclusion. It's like the math algorithms that make a guess, test it and iterate, closing on the best solution.

If we knew how the guesses are formed in the mind we'd be a big step closer to artificial intelligence.

As it is, computers are perfect masters of deductive reasoning.
306 posted on 02/14/2004 4:55:13 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
One says that change has been observed. this is a fact. The other statement starsts out with "In my opinion..." something wrong with a teacher expressing a clearly labeled opinion?
The first is suspect because EVOLUTION has been credit for any observed changes, the second is an illustration of the teaching communities OPINION being stated as fact.
307 posted on 02/14/2004 4:56:21 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: js1138
Individuals may be different from their parents due to mutations, but they do not evolve.

WhAT!?

Curiouser and curiouser.....
308 posted on 02/14/2004 4:57:25 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: PatrickHenry
"Festival of Wildly Elliptical Planetary Orbits" memorial placemarker
309 posted on 02/14/2004 5:02:00 PM PST by longshadow
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Red & Blue.........
 
 
This is somehow supposed to illustrate Evolution???

310 posted on 02/14/2004 5:05:55 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: Elsie
Tell me how an individual can evolve, in the Darwinian sense of the word.
311 posted on 02/14/2004 5:06:33 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
As it is, computers are perfect masters of deductive reasoning.

Only as good as the programming. :-)

312 posted on 02/14/2004 5:06:58 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Elsie
Try reading. You will learn something.

When someone starts a sentence with "In my opinion," it means they are stating an opinion, not a fact.


Duh.
313 posted on 02/14/2004 5:08:14 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
HA ha!!

Ya fooled me!

(I thought it was ALIENS that wuz involved in this!)
314 posted on 02/14/2004 5:19:35 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: js1138
...computers are perfect masters of deductive reasoning.

Oh??


I thought that HUMANS programmed them....
315 posted on 02/14/2004 5:22:08 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: Elsie
It does seem like a poor choice for a "new" word. The word is needed "in my opinion" even if this isn't it.
316 posted on 02/14/2004 5:22:27 PM PST by js1138
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To: Elsie
Ya fooled me!

Wow, another universal constant!

317 posted on 02/14/2004 5:22:41 PM PST by balrog666 (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.)
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To: js1138
When someone starts a sentence with "In my opinion," it means they are stating an opinion, not a fact.

Is this just your opinion you're stating here?

If so, I am free to ignore it. A trapped STUDENT, however, had BETTER listen to a 'teachers' opinion!

318 posted on 02/14/2004 5:24:49 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: Elsie
Computers do what they are told. Deductive reasoning does not require any attribute not present in the machine. No intuition, no creativity. Only objects and attributes.
319 posted on 02/14/2004 5:26:00 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Ok, I see you guys point that the PARENTS don't 'evolve', but the changes would show up in the offspring.
So we are back to the percentages again.

How much 'change' is beneficial?

How much 'change' is neutral?

How much 'change' is harmful?


And how much 'change' is likely to be passed on?

320 posted on 02/14/2004 5:27:54 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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